The Sound Of Settled Science

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Some of the earliest humans to inhabit America came from Europe according to a new book Across Atlantic Ice: The Origin of America's Clovis Culture. The book puts forward a compelling case for people from northern Spain traveling to America by boat, following the edge of a sea ice shelf that connected Europe and America during the last Ice Age, 14,000 to 25,000 years ago.

"Across Atlantic Ice : The Origin of America's Clovis Culture" Across Atlantic Ice is the result of more than a decade's research by leading archaeologists Bruce Bradley of the University of Exeter in the United Kingdom, and Dennis Stanford of the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C. Through archaeological evidence, they turn the long-held theory of the origins of New World populations on its head.


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Excellent! Thanks...just ordered the book.

So I was born in in England and my great grandmother was a Romany...a gypsy. So does this make me First Nation with all the benefits? ☺☺

CAS

That should put an end to this "first nations" foolishness. Canadian aboriginals might be the "first Canadian immigrants" that's all.

The true First Nations invented metallurgy, engineering, mathematics, written language, architecture, etc. That happened in the Mediterranean and Black Sea regions during the last Ice Age when the Canadian aboriginals were nothing more than roving bands of hunter gatherers.

The media flogging a lie does not make it the truth.

This has been accepted for a long time. Though this culture was apparently wiped out when the glaciers melted, which produced a fall back to the ice age for a couple of centuries (Younger Dryas)

So, do we call the Indians the 'Second Nations' now?

The reason that the European Clovis people that arrived in north America first are no longer around is because they were genocided by the Canadian Indians who arrived thousands of years AFTERWARDS
It's time for the Canadian Indians to apologise to all Europeans for their crimes and to pay reparations to all white Europeans as well they need to go back where they came from !
Lol !

Between this and the BLM shakedown of the Pride parade in Toronto, the grievance industry is in for a rough week.

Some of the earliest humans to inhabit America came from Europe according to a new book Across Atlantic Ice: The Origin of America's Clovis Culture. The book puts forward a compelling case for people from northern Spain traveling to America by boat, following the edge of a sea ice shelf that connected Europe and America during the last Ice Age, 14,000 to 25,000 years ago.

Based on current genetic, linguistic, and archaeological evidence, the hypothesis is probably not correct.

You guys should seriously put this up as scientific fact in order to do away with the parasitic First Nations. The preamble could look like this:

In light of recent archeological and scientific findings that prove that the Clovis people and resultant society were from Western Europe, we can surmise that the erroneously named "First Nations" people's forefathers came to North America after the Europeans. We can also surmise that the disappearance of the Clovis/European people was caused by genocide on a tremendous scale and the ownership of North America was done through force of arms. Since North America was settled, populated and won through force of arms from the N.American Indian by the forefathers of a later European migration, the N.American Indian, regardless of status has no claim on any of it.

Does this mean we can send all the Indians back to Spain where Spain can pay them to be Indians instead of us?

"That should put an end to this "first nations" foolishness."

You couldn't possibly be that naive. The lefty bureaucracies, media and education systems will make damn sure this is buried/ignored, their narrative is NOT to be questioned. Nothing will change, certainly not the decades of failure from a broken system.

Too bad this teaser is unclear about how an ancient culture could have possibly successfully traversed such a vast distance by boat/ice shelf in what is described as Arctic conditions. Maybe CAS can fill me in after reading his copy of the book. :)

BTW, what a darn shame Creationists can't use these arguments.

Oprah had her DNA analyzed to determine where her heritage originated. Found that it was somewhere in Africa. Who knew.

Anyway, DNA samples from the Indians would find their origins as well. Doesn't seem to be a ground swell of support from that demographic to see that through.

Smitherenzes: Oprah had her DNA analyzed to determine where her heritage originated. Found that it was somewhere in Africa.

That's like saying a person has European ancestry, when what most people do is trace their roots to Italy or Germany or England.

Oprah traces her ancestry to the Kpelle, the Bamileke, as well as Zambian Bantu. She has no European ancestry, but she does have some Native American ancestry.

First Welfare Recipients.

"So does this make me First Nation with all the benefits?"

The benefit mutually agreed by the crown and Indians through treaties is $5 per annum. All the rest is bullshit made up by politicians and judges.

According to recent DNA discoveries (last ten years) and new digs, it is established that Asian migration was only one of four contributors to the new world. Polynesian, African, European and Asian DNA have been discovered in ancient and modern day inhabitants, as well as archaeological sites.

So ... does this mean that some early Americans already HAD smallpox antibodies in their blood ? So the old smallpox blanket ruse is doubly FALSE.

Looks like Senator Elizabeth Warren is now covered.

You may want to check your citation.

The Western Eurasian components migrated from Siberia in a mixed population, not from Spain as claimed.

This book was published four years ago, and was widely panned by archaeologists, geneticists and linguists. Check the references from the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

As much as I despise the Indian Act and the "First Nations" scam, we must accept that the First Nations were here first. That said, I don't think that should given them special rights. All of us came out of Africa. It is the ingenuity of human cultures and civilizations that have developed the world we live in today.

Maybe President Hillary Clinton will have the Army Corps of Engineers fill in the northern Atlantic with concrete to cover up the route they took?

The best example of being naive is provided by the person who can't grasp the significance of the word 'should' in the quote: "That should put an end to this 'first nations' foolishness."

Read it again slowly for full comprehension of each word. Got it now?

Of course it won't end the 'first nations' foolishness for obvious reasons.

If you despise the scam why do you condone it by using the term "F***t N*****s"?
The correct terminology is aboriginals, or "Fúckn Natives".

You're right, they have no special rights for being first immigrants.

If they don't like our culture then they can stop using all the technological advancements we've so graciously shared with them.

They aren't aboriginals either.
The Original meaning of aboriginal meant: Having existed in a region from the beginning
They didn't originate here, they came from somewhere else.

PC speak calls them aboriginals and now has tried to redefine the term to give the Injuns a more credible claim to the land, but the Injuns came from elsewhere, probably after being driven out.

By your interpretation the Australian Aborigines are not aboriginals either.
Common usage trumps pedantic interpretation.

In any case they're immigrants, just like everyone else.

They aren't. The didn't originate there.

"Common usage trumps pedantic interpretation."
Takes a pedant to know a pedant, eh?

"If you despise the scam why do you condone it by using the term "F***t N*****s"?
The correct terminology is aboriginals, or "Fúckn Natives"."
~jean 6:01PM

tsk tsk. Go ahead and tell me that First Nations is not now the commonly used term.

Wait. That was somebody impersonating you, yes?

Yes, I see your point. My objection to the "F-N" term is the utter pretentiousness of it, besides the fact that it's false.

The media has all sorts of PC fictional terms in common usage like their whatever-phobias, but I don't buy into that shít either.

...and you're quite right "Takes a pedant to know a pedant, eh?"

I read the book when it came out. The authors are saying that during the last Ice Age the water levels were much lower and the sea voyage/walking on ice to here from Western Europe was a lot easier.

The authors found Western Euro arrow/spear heads in the Chesapeake area (MD and VA) dating from the last ice age that could never have come from East Asia. The Europeans got here first. These arrow/spear heads only were found in the SW France/NW Spain area. What happened to these people they don't know.

It's like the Vikings got here first but didn't leave much of a record. So the Italian, Columbus got the credit.

The present Indians of NA have DNA that puts them as Central/East Asian peoples. The Beringian migrations are not in question, but to say that no one from the Western Eurasian continent could have gotten here earlier or around the same time is utter nonsense.

The Beringian migrations are not in question

Neither are the migrations along the north Pacific rim and along the west coast to South America, nor the Polynesian migrations across the southern Pacific.

The Americas were populated by many different peoples. The Canadian aboriginals were not here 'first', and there is no evidence they ever established 'nations'.

Discovery Could Rewrite History of Vikings in New World
Guided by ancient Norse sagas and modern satellite images, searchers discover what may be North America's second Viking site.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160331-viking-discovery-north-america-canada-archaeology/

John Galt III: The authors found Western Euro arrow/spear heads in the Chesapeake area (MD and VA) dating from the last ice age that could never have come from East Asia.

The stone tools have some traits in common with Solutrean cultures, but not others. Dating is problematic. The hypothesis is that the European migrants strongly influenced much later Asian immigrants, but left no genetic or linguistic evidence. This is unlikely.

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