If you were feeling good because you weren’t an Alberta conservative…. 18% and the best you can do is a minority.
Her approval rating, once as high as 40%, now sits at 18%. It’s the lowest Forum has ever measured for an Ontario Liberal premier since it began polling in 2001.
In fact, if a provincial election was held tomorrow, Patrick Brown’s Progressive Conservative Party would capture a minority government, according to a the survey.
IMHO true conservatives should be very depressed about the level of discourse and thought over values both federally and provincially. There is no national dialogue going on to my knowledge.
Philosophy seems to be sacrificed at every turn for votes. This reality is a clear sign that the conservative message is confused and very weak. It has provided the crack which progressives are exploiting to the long term detriment of western civilization.
Because of these circumstances I suggest that many conservatives are dropping out and preparing for the other end of the equation which will be a major economic collapse. It is likely the only way fiscal responsibility will be able to re-establish itself.
Unfortunately, if an election were held tomorrow, we would more likely get an NDP government than a conservative government or even the same old Liberals as Toronto, the public service unions, and their relations would carry the vote as the true conservatives are giving up hope and not bothering to vote (Patrick Brown, really?)
Part of the problem is that no matter how hated the Liberal leader may be, there is a core in the City of Toronto that will never vote conservative, no matter what. Add to that the million+ union votes, union dollars and muscle, and the bar for Conservatives is very high take a majority.
Yes, Brown needs to get out more. But Conservatives need to stop being so damn needy and whiny. He’s not a perfect candidate, but I argue he’s better than the other choice (the very red tory, Christine Elliott). The Conservatives under Hudak were demonized very successfully by the media and the unions, and he’s trying to reduce that damage. If that’s too milquetoast for some Ontario conservatives, they need only think of the alternative – an NDP/Liberal government, or de-facto coalition.
Wrong CT IMNHO– the trouble IS and will remain because the Laurentien Elite University mimions are really the low-intelligence Liberal Party Baby-Boomer residue. Result there will be an ongoing blanket of low awareness Liberal Studies Graduates willing to live in their Parents Basements and sponge as they “intern their way into a Traditional Journalism Career under the “milk the fools” low intelligence fearful of unemplyment JournOlist Baby-Bommer residue filling the low pay entry level Journalism JOBS.
In addition; and please excuse my Rude Opening for this comment; in addition, INMHO, The difference between a Politically Correct Progressive Conservative (PCPC)Minority Ontario Government & a Conservative Majority Ontario Government is the “P” which the low intelligence Baby-Boomer residue of the “P” Conservatives want to maintain. Cheers CT.
“Philosophy seems to be sacrificed at every turn for votes.” Brown has the political instinct to choose a bigger hill, better death.
How’d we get here? It evolved something along these lines. Classical liberals became Conservatives who then became Progressive Conservatives. The next step was PC’s becoming socialists.
That’s Canada. The LPC recognized this decades ago and moved completely away from any philosophy. They know Canadians want big government and free stuff.
Conservatism in Canada is as dead as the Labrador duck.
Result there will be an ongoing blanket of low awareness Liberal Studies Graduates willing to live in their Parents Basements and sponge as they “intern their way into a Traditional Journalism Career under the “milk the fools” low intelligence fearful of unemplyment JournOlist Baby-Bommer residue filling the low pay entry level Journalism JOBS.
That there is quite the sentence.
Funny thing is, I know exactly what you mean.
Further to my comments on another thread, just like Ambrose, Brown is part of the problem not the solution.
Until his party gets THE F*CK OUT OF THE WAY, there is no hope to promote a truly Conservative option for any voter in Ontario. To that end, unless and until a major Conservative leader with the balls to challenge the lies of the MSM and the misguided morality of PC’ness comes on scene, conservatism is currently neutered, almost deceased in the east.
To my eye, “The Conservative Movement” currently most resembles a constipated bowel movement.
Patrick Brown’s Progressive Conservative Party would capture a minority government, according to a the survey.
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The voters have been brainwashed to believe that government can do everything for them. Thus even with Wynne’s abysmal ratings, true conservative government in Ontario (and probably the rest of Canada too)is dead.
Venezuela is the model our governments will be based on for the foreseeable future.
Enjoy the decline (and fall).
Toronto, the public service unions, and their relations … carry the vote
That is it, in a nutshell. To Toronto add all of the large cities in the south.
At least the unions and their relations are voting for something tangible: their incomes.
The cities are voting for the most despicable of intangibles: comfy-couch social justice virtue signalling, all in the misguided belief that the Liberal policies wearing down the middle class will never affect them.
I don’t think we’ll see another NDP govnerment in Ontario — the pubic service union members either all remember or have been handed down the nightmare tales about unpaid Rae Days. The unions will not allow another NDP government. I suspect that the OPP — who suggested we vote Liberal in the last election “or else” — will actively suppress supporters should it ever look like the NDP will come to power again. Mysterious single-vehicle car accidents will be the order of the day for NDP candidates and supporting pundits.
The Conservatives will constantly shoot themselves in their own two left feet with misguided social justice signalling. Hudak’s nonsense about selling beer and liquor in Catholic schools to fund the madrassas was downright enlightened to what’s probably coming next from those bozos.
Kathleen Wynne has a portrait of herself hidden in the attic at Queen’s Park. And in a reverse take on Dorian Gray, the portrait gets better and better looking every day while the Husk In The House is disfigured by the evils of its hateful and darkened soul. When it was announced that the hydro rates were going up and that we should be grateful for just a 200% increase or whatever it was, it’s reported that the portrait started to look something like Kate Upton. Meanwhile the Husk took on a yet more withered and shrivelled look.
CT is right. I’ve given up and have taken to hoarding food and supplies to weather the storm. In all honesty, being killed in my sleep in my own home for not voting the right way in a future election is sort of the best outcome I can hope for.
Some of the comments on this thread make my point. So called conservatives who are so embittered that have decided to do nothing and watch Liberals destroy the country.
If Stephen Harper had not been in power for 9 years, would today’s Canada not be a much worse place for us and Canada be MORE in debt, more in bed with foreign dictators and the UN, LESS gun ownership, LESS freedom of conscience. Give your head a shake and stop this stomping out of the sandbox because you didn’t get you want, right when you wanted it, attitude. Your are creating a self fulfilling prophecy. Rabble.ca and Huffpo are reveling in your bitterness.
“Patrick Brown’s Progressive Conservative Party would capture a minority government”
Now isn’t that a ringing endorsement for Brown et al. Over a decade of Liberal lies, corruption, and stench, but all Paddy “Tiger” Brown can aspire to at this point is a minority.
The guy has been MIA since he took the leadership back in May 2015. The one thing he has made the news on: he’s in favour of a carbon pricing plan.
On election day I’ll either stay home and sort my tool box, or I’ll vote “Libertarian” along with the concealed carry nuts and the old dopers.
Mr. Brown and his limp pink PCs can kiss my true blue arse.
You’re not giving Justin the cabin boy enough credit. He has until 2019, or perhaps 2020 to do his damage. He’s on the defense file now, screwing the military over the CF35, which will ultimately result in a breach on our sovereignty in the north by allies and foes, if he breaks his broken promise.
Wynne at 18%? Turdo at 55%? Who cares; we’re between elections. Wynne may step down and they can bring in a new entitled plutocrat via their Toronto and union cabal. The media being enlightened, where overlord big, bad government is moderate, will inform the sheeple any alternative is too extreme and will cause a recession.
McGuinty, Obama, Wynne, Notley, Trudeau, Clinton – same show, different stage. Until you defeat the idea of big government, all is lost. Thank God free societies are mitigating their own damage, limiting the economic carnage experienced in every other statist regime. How can this continue?
This is the late 70s again. A boom slowing down as the oldest children crowd their younger siblings out of the housing and job market, as government debt service exploded and defied the growth, inflation relationship. We all survived it, but this time the boomers are swamping pension and medical systems, even as their parents continue to clear the system.
Harper arrested that alarming trend; 20/20 political hindsight tells us he should have done more. You’re right, we’d be further in the soup if not for him.
“Polls”, “HA”
You don’t become the largest sub sovereign debtor in the history of mankind without buying elections.
Ontario will never recover without a total economic collapse.
There are too many people here that vote for a living.
Get a gubmint “job” go Galt or be a schmuck are our choices here now.
What exactly IS the “Conservative philosophy”?
The only ideals I see on display by anyone is: get elected,then get elected just once more and you have it made for life.
We have Liberal,Liberal-Lite, Communist Confused, and Green lunatics,all vying for our votes, none have any philosophy, just “WIN”.
When any of them DO get elected, all the motherhood issues for us peasants get quickly forgotten and we end up mired in the circus that is parliament.
Wynne may be down between elections, she was last time, but as they say,the only poll that counts is the one on election day.
A Canadian politician party that promotes a true conservative philosophy would stand no chance of ever forming government.
This is the reality of the situation. Canada is as liberal as anything in Europe.
Brown would win a minority? Yeah right. Hudak was going to win at one point as well.
“What exactly IS the “Conservative philosophy”?”
In a nutshell: Preserve the cultural tradition that built this country and “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”
Or, as I heard on the podcast of last night’s “John Batchelor Show”, people lie to the pollsters but tell the truth at the ballot box.
One problem with elections is that just about every party behaves the same, like you mentioned. Here in Alberta, Notley’s Destruction Party campaigned about social and economic justice. It didn’t take it long after taking office to start helping itself to the contents of the cookie jar–at the taxpayer’s expense, of course.
Right now, Red Rachel makes Queen Alison look good.
You don’t get it, Lori. There is NO conservative party in Ontario. Certainly not since Mike Harris, and maybe not even since John Robarts. Bill Davis certainly wasn’t. It’s called the Progressive Conservative party for a reason (also known as the “Liberal Lite” party). Hudak wasn’t brought down by the media – he accomplished that all by himself, like John Tory before him. Telling the electorate that you are going to cashier 100,000 (or was it 250,000? That’s how forgettable Hudak is)jobs should you be elected, was beyond asinine. That wasn’t even in the PC talking points! Like Tory before him, the election was his to lose, and I gotta say for Tim, (and John) he stepped right up to the plate.
The provincial governments are run by the party insiders, not the premier. This has been true for decades. Nobody, least of all the media, spend any time looking at the people behind the curtain, and in Ontario, it’s an absolute necessity if you want to see what will come down the pipe. Does the name Tom Long ring a bell?
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To see an example of the utter and complete moral depravity of Kathleen Wynne and her court Jesters, you only need to see the new ads hitting the TV – the youngsters pimping her climate change program. That ad is a criminal disgrace. Parents and politicians responsible for that utter emotional abuse of children should be standing in front of judge explaining why those kids shouldn’t be removed and the parents and politicians sent to jail.
“Parents and politicians responsible for that utter emotional abuse of children should be standing in front of judge explaining why those kids shouldn’t be removed and the parents and politicians sent to jail.”
You’re right – these ads are a disgrace. But once again, where is our Opposition? Are they standing up and pointing out this brainwashing? Not at all. As a matter of fact, if you think about his silence on this issue (and a host of others) you can only draw two conclusions about little Paddy Brown: (a)he doesn’t think it’s a bad thing at all, or (b) he knows it’s wrong but is too yellow to speak out against it. Neither possibility deserves a vote.
18% approval, so the teachers are still firmly behind this POS
I kinda suspect that for Paddy Brown, leader of the PCs, it beats working for a living, with the best health and pension plans in the world. The short pants crowd are the same. It beats working for a living and there’s a chance of scoring some graft along the way, all at the taxpayers expense. And think of all those political contributions that make their way to the crony capitalists in some form.
The mafia is dying of envy!
Most unpopular politician ever recorded. And still the conservatives might be able to muster a minority.
The new millennium conservatism is pretty much dead. Time to go back to 1993.
“only draw two conclusions about little Paddy Brown: (a)he doesn’t think it’s a bad thing at all, or (b) he knows it’s wrong but is too yellow to speak out against it. Neither possibility deserves a vote.”
jimmy, when you tried to use an logical (occams razor) tool to dissect an emotional issue I thought you were extra stupid, but your obvious lack of humanistic insight rears it’s ugly head agin, the (C) alternative to your conclusion is THUMP THUMP THUMP, same as Tory’s and Whodat’s
once the socalled cons learn to leave their religious BS out of their politics there will be a change. I here about that more and more as time passes and people who would normally vote con either stay home or vote liberal
This place is starting to sound like CanadianGunNutz, the gunowner forum where half the owners have decided that the CPC is not good enough for them, so they’ll just do nothing… nothing that is except watch Justin take away everything they have in the next 4 years while they rail on uselessly on the internet.
If you prefer Wynne, fine stay at home.
If you think that Ontario under Brown will be no different than Ontario under Wynne. Fine stay at home.
But Brown would NOT have brought in the sex ed change. Brown would NOT have mortgaged our future for windmills. Brown would not run 20 billion dollar deficits. Brown would NOT give teachers pay raises while cutting healthcare in Ontario. Brown would not have pushed a job killing Ontario pension. These things are real, and they have impact on our life.
There is a difference, and I think it’s just laziness and excuses that motivates the notion that there is no point in participating in the electoral process.
The current government of Ontario is a joke, it feeds itself at election time from all the voters connected to this government and their Ponzi schemes, nothing will fix this mess short of going broke. People are content to get up – go to work, and shrug their shoulders after agreeing with you that this government is a disgrace and they are being robbed by them. The conservatives only being able to score a minority government says it all. Ontarians just haven’t got it good and hard enough yet.
Well said,in less than 25 words! YES!
But,and I guess this makes me a “leftie” or something,I wanted LESS government, a re-examination of immigration with a moratorium until it was settled, property rights, an end to Public Broadcasting boondoggles, actual free trade,the Indian Act expunged, and an end to marketing boards.
I guess that was too much to ask. ;-(
Yeah,I firmly believe in that old axiom,”if it ain’t broke,don’t fix it”, especially when it comes to our electoral system.
Too many people I know approach politics as if they’re cheering for their favorite hockey team, “when their team does it,it’s a dirty hit,when our team does it,it’s just a great body check”.
When Patrick Brown said he agreed with Kathleen Wynne completely a couple of months ago, he was talking about climate change etc., I stopped paying any attention to the “Progressive” party. Ontario is finished.
“But Brown would NOT have brought in the sex ed change. Brown would NOT have mortgaged our future for windmills. Brown would not run 20 billion dollar deficits. Brown would NOT give teachers pay raises while cutting healthcare in Ontario. Brown would not have pushed a job killing Ontario pension…”
Then, if that’s all true Lori, I guess “Brown” wouldn’t have a problem with standing up and saying that….right?
Tell me. Are you hearing something that I can’t?
Maybe, but he sure as H is for a the thieving carbon tax. He said so.
that the conservatives might only get a minority if an election were held now shows how screwed up the province of ontario really is.