47 Replies to “It’s Probably Nothing”

  1. Maybe, if all those other freeloading countries will contribute their share to keepubg the peacee, the US debt would be much less. Notice, the countries that most heavily contribute to turmoil in this world are not included.

  2. Two-thirds of the US budget(thus debt) is transfer payments. Anything else is a trivial amount of $$USD$$.

  3. Very simple – chart on the right shows the crazy indebtedness of Ontario and Quebec. One thinks of California and Illinois as being in terrible financial shape due to huge state debt loads. The Fraser Institute has reported that Ontario and Quebec, on a provincial debt per capita basis are both about twice the California level. Ontario funds way too much of their budget deficits with debt.
    Google: Fraser Institute and Ontario debt and start reading their analysis.

  4. Those charts are basically showing how our provincial government debt is out of control.
    The right one shows all government debt excluding federal debt, shown in dollars per capita. Here you can see Canada leads the world, and this is mostly provincial debt.
    The left shows all government debt as a percent of the economy, and the non yellow portion of the bars are again non federal government debt. Here again provincial debt is huge, compared to equivalent debt of other countries.
    Hope this helps.

  5. Is this a good time to initiate a new energy tax / carbon tax, and bring up the minimum wage to $15 / hour?

  6. Yup. And it’s going to get worse.
    But say what you like about this younger generation who vote for the likes of turdo la doo, old Raiche, and Wynnedigo – they’re one hell of a generous bunch. Here I was, worrying all along about the debt my generation was saddling them with. And lo and behold, not only do they vote to transfer that obligation from my shoulders to their own, they vote to INCREASE the load!
    What a selfless, caring bunch! I’m so ashamed about all the bad things I’ve said about them……

  7. Marc, It’s a great time to initiate a new energy tax/carbon tax , and bring up the minimum wage to $15/hour and don’t forget to add a soda pop tax. This will make the whole damn thing fall down faster so we can start building it up again.

  8. The provinces – and now the Feds (and municipalities) have spending problems -not revenue problems. If anything they should cut taxes AND spending.

  9. Justin: yeah, but interest rates are at “record lows,” so it’s a good time to pay off, I mean increase, debt.
    SPEND, SPEND, SPEND. BORROW, BORROW, BORROW, TAX, TAX, TAX. BLAME THE RICH, BLAME THE RICH, BLAME THE RICH. LOSE YOUR JOB, LOSE YOUR JOB, EVERYBODY LOSE THEIR JOB. US VERSION: SCREAM FOR GUN CONTROL AFTER EVERYODY LOSES THEIR JOB.
    The millennial tax increase plan. Me, I’m cashing in, gimme my CPP and indexed military pension. Show me the money suckers. Thanks, millennials for picking up my tab for future taxes via present overspending and borrowing by your darling Lieberals. You do know you are the next “rich?”
    These fools lost control of spending minutes after taking power.
    I remember an old joke about PET from the 70s. Experts in bionics are comparing notes. The American scientist says they took a Pennsylvania factory worker who was caught up in machinery, and only his head was saved. So they put a body around him, now he’s looking for work in Pittsburgh.
    The Russian scoffed. He says they took a Ukrainian farmer who got caught in a threshing machine and all that was left of him was a finger. They put a body around him and now he’s looking for work in Kiev.
    The Canadian laughed. “We took a French Canadian a** hole, put a government around him, now everybody’s looking for work.”
    Deja vue, except Justin is even stupider than his dad, and without an economic growth spurt via young boomers, now older so low growth instead.

  10. Can’t help thinking this is the rational case for Western Separation .
    Save your grandchildren a future, separate from the bandits and fools now.
    If we split now we might be able to pay off our debt before we die, instead of dumping it onto children not yet born.
    The current debt is the same as selling our children into slavery.
    Exactly what we have allowed.
    Shame we got so little for our 30 pieces of silver.
    Ontario and Quebec have more debt than they acknowledge, do not forget those unfunded promises of state pensions and crony kickbacks.
    But they have no intention of ever paying these debts.
    SEP.
    The budget will balance itself.

  11. I am looking forward to Canada’s slide into the Northern Venezuela or the non-African Zimbabwe. Canadians deserve every ounce of misery they’ll get for being self-satisfied, lazy, entitled and moronic a$$hats electing incompetent governments time after time because they’re promised unicorns pooping skittles. The Quebec separatists are right. Canada isn’t a real country. It never was a real country. It’s 34 million bone idle whiners who think someone else owes them a living. Screw this country. The sooner it breaks up, the better.

  12. Canada so deserves to find itself in Venezuela-like penury a few years down the road. Canadians have elected the most feckless irresponsible Leftist morons imaginable. Even Albertans elected a regime of destroyers who are methodically dismantling the oil & gas industry, not for any objective rational reason, just ideological bias. I don’t buy that it happened as a protest vote. Rational people don’t elect an extreme Leftist government to ‘protest’ corruption. Fort McMurray & Edmonton are turning into ghost towns. Ontario & Quebec are racking up worse levels of debt per capita than NY & CA. Unbelievable. And now the Turdo buffoon has added a Muslim migrant explosion to the mix. Canada may have ‘quietly’ put itself in worse straits overall than the US, Germany, Sweden, Britain. Our economy is imploding. How much of our economy does oil & gas represent, I wonder, and it’s being systematically shut down. What will the Left attack next? Potash, forest products, fishing? It’s like Canada is a psychiatric patient slowly slashing itself to ribbons. I can’t feel much sympathy, not when a country just does this to itself for no sane reason.

  13. Well said. The U.S. entered WWI in 1917 when other countries(Canada for example) had been fighting it since 1914.(WWI ended in 1919) The U.S. entered WWII in 1942(European Theatre) Canada had been fighting it since 1939.(WWII ended in 1945)
    In both cases the U.S. entered WWI after it was 3/4s over and WWII when it was half over and let others(especially of the Anglosphere) bleed and fight without the U.S for most of the war while the Yankees sat on their asses and played baseball.
    We owe NOTHING to the U.S.
    p.s. the U.S. QUIT fighting WWII when it should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the rest of the Anglosphere when we wanted to wipe out Communism, but NO, they decided that Communism should continue to exist.
    We joined the U.S. in NATO and it has cost us $BILLIONS and the U.S. TRILLIONS and U.S. citizens come here and tell us that they have been protecting us?!
    Screw you flakey Americans.
    You are they reason why our country and yours are riven with Communists.
    Our leaders wanted to settle the problem of Socialism in 1945, your leaders kicked the can down the road.
    You, the U.S., have not been protecting us. You are part of the problem, not the solution.

  14. What else can you expect? When an economist steers his country through tough economic times without explaining how hard it is, of course the populous will want to elect a part time drama teacher. (msm) Budgets balance themselves, after all, and if someone as stupid and unliked and unrespected internationally as Harper could do it, then Our Savior Justin Trudeau will only do it better (/msm)
    I’ve had a couple of fundraising calls from the Conservative party today. I told them that I’m in a wait-and-see on a couple of things, and gave about a 5 minute rant to both local and federal callers about the two key items for me, and how we missed the boat on them when PMSH was in. The first is the current interglacial and how I hope it will last. The second is the CBC and how they’re outside of their mandate by competing online with for-profit companies. Sadly, it will get worse before it gets better.

  15. holy shyt shamrock, is this some kind of mind meld?
    my ‘attitude’ after trying for TWENTY GADAM YEARS of getting an apprenticeshit fired up was, ok, give me a moment whilst I pull my ace-up-the-sleeve called OCD/Aspergers disbility tqvm. werked like a charm. didnt even have to appeal despite the bureaucraps setting the date (musta got wind of what they were in for). jeezuz murphy. I coulda wrote the book on factory automation seeing as I also sport a degree in computer scigns. (note the spelling). but big fat ixnay thanks to the apprentishit cystem in Ontariariario where its who ya know not what ya know. the who-ya-know types couldnt even tell me how many bits a typical PLC uses for its intruction set. but, wel, THEY ‘qualified’ for the limited apprenticeshits. the good news is I still parlayed my instinctive knack into 5 yrs of construction and then applied what I lerned (that how the crew spelled it) into a fixer upper saving myself some 20 grand in labour. hasnt burned down yet !!!
    etc etc.
    ps, I remember that joke !!! I can vouch for the accuracy of shamrocks posting fwiw.
    I am NOT hopeful for the future of the country or the new generations moving into the limelight in that time.
    I blame the politishuns of ALL persuasion.

  16. Yeah. Go ahead and hold back my comment to Old Country Boy. Let the Yankees continue to warm the cockles of their wizened little black hearts with the false idea that they protect the world.

  17. It may not be obvious yet, but I believe the Liberals plan to cripple the West economically. There will be no pipelines because the UN does not want any. The globalists are opposed to any entity that could challenge their agenda. Canadian sovereignty is being undermined, in favour of the globalist’s agenda. So,.yeah — good time for Alberta to look carefully at its options.

  18. LindaL – Justin learned from his father, and Canadian power brokers going back to the family compact, how power works in Canada. There is no Canada worth noting outside of Ontario and Quebec. If a portion of the country looks to be getting above their place in the natural order of things then use the full power of the government to bring them back in line. Remember, the best Prime Ministers come from Quebec, because they know how to keep the rest of the country in line.
    And don’t be afraid to call out the army if Quebecois that aren’t affiliated to your party get too uppity. It’s not like the rest of the country will support them, after all.

  19. hi Oz.
    ‘police of the world’ has a much different meaning is some quarters.
    it isnt called an ‘ambulance drivers state’ a ‘teachers state’ a ‘office administrators state’ a ‘line workers state’ for a reason.
    poLICE are the ones equipped with the truncheons, the fire hoses, the dogs, the late night disappearances, etc etc. THIS is what the great US of A does, motivated by OIL. its all about OIL. read ‘The Prize’ by D Yergin for background.
    when America reaches the point where it would normally enter its hyperinflation, it will merely use its IMMENSE military to STEAL what it formerly plundered via political intrigue, mkt manipulation etc. but first they need to drum up an excuse to nuke Chirer and steal Canada’s immense water resources as a ‘dress rehearsal’.
    where o where will the CONservative dyed-in-the-wool-mulroney-reagan-fan types be then? Vichy Fwance N American version perhaps?

  20. “So,.yeah — good time for Alberta to look carefully at its options.”
    Yes indeed. The Alberta PCs have said that they are against a FireWall protecting Alberta from Ottawa and that a Fire Wall was fighting irrelevant past battles. The Alberta PCs are surrender monkeys. Who wants Alberta’s best interests?
    WildRose does, that’s who.
    I’ve said in the past and I’ll reiterate now, Canada is nothing more than Ontario and it’s colonial possessions.
    Alberta has a right to it’s own culture and destiny. Time for Albertans to look carefully at which party will fulfill the interests of Albertans.
    Brexit? Time to talk about Alberta-exit.

  21. You’re new here, you don’t know me, you don’t know my positions on issues, and you can KMA you presumptuous A-hole.

  22. @Oz: Knowing history means knowing more than simple facts such as you have cited. Your post is wrong about WWI. Your post is wrong about WWII.
    As far as settling “the problem of Socialism” in 1945 (i.e., continuing the war), you might (maybe) have a point. It’s open to debate. General Patton certainly wanted to turn on the Russians but then he died, unexpectedly and under somewhat strange circumstances.
    Having said this, I’m not certain where your rant is coming from. As far as I can tell, no one (except you) said or even implied that Canada owed the U.S. anything. I certainly don’t think so. Canada’s foreign issues are not with the U.S. You’re looking in the wrong direction. It’s not your southern neighbor that’s a treat. You need to look NORTH to find your future issues.

  23. “As far as I can tell, no one (except you) said or even implied that Canada owed the U.S. anything”
    Cuntry Boy did. “Maybe, if all those other freeloading countries will contribute their share to keepubg the peacee, the US debt would be much less.”
    My comment explaining that I was commenting on Cuntry Boi’s comment, was embargoed by SDA.
    Loook. ALL of the wars we and the U.S. have fought since WWII were because the U.S. refused to finish off Communism in 1945. ALL of THEM.
    The U.S. government has been playing you and all of us for 70 years.
    Now I know they’re(the U.S. government) are the bad guys.
    Some people here on SDA think Trump is the cure. No he isn’t. Most of Trump’s wealth, such as it is, has been gotten from the U.S. government.
    Trump isn’t an outsider, he is beholden to the U.S. government. He will be revealed as a dependent on elite funding in the race to the presidency.

  24. “Your post is wrong about WWI. Your post is wrong about WWII.”
    My post about the U.S. participation in those wars is bang on, balls to the wall, accurate.
    If you disagree, you don’t know shit about history.
    The U.S didn’t enter WWI until it was 3/4s over(and they had to borrow tanks and aircraft from the French because the U.S had neither) and the U.S. didn’t enter WWII until it was 1/2 HALF over.
    Lie all you want to, but these are the facts.

  25. Uhhh….what does any sovereign nation owe any other sovereign nation?
    Canada owes a lot to the USA as far as being a good neighbour goes, we lose on some trade here and there wich is wrong but the USA sucks up 90% of our produced goods and not just natural resources either. If a Canadian company can get into the USA you are pretty much set. The USA does not need trade with anyone. Not one country , they have such a big diverse economy they can just create wealth with in the boarders.
    There is much wrong with USA and Canada and the world right now as there always has been….it will go on and on .
    Any nation that has the where with all to become 100% debt free will hold the keys to the future they will rule .
    I agree with many people in here I have said it long before many people in here but not nearly as long as Kate . We need one hell of a good famine to the point of bread lines and food rationing , Ect Ect . Where these little emasculated weak men are eradicated . I agree with the west separating completely right at the Ontario Manitoba boarder. No ties as all none. We start carte Blanche . Our own constitution , our own currency, our own military. But if we do we need leaders with balls that will enshrine private property rights , free speech,into our constitution as well as the right to carry openly or concealed any fire arm up to and including .50 call , no limits on magazines or any aspect relating to those fire arms in any way no manipulating the price or availible lite of products relating to fire arms , no restrictions of any kind on the ability to acquire firearms other than a basic licence to prove you can safely carry store clean load unload a fire arm, secondly the utmost important thing is to make debt punishable by death except in war time . No gov ever is allowed to run a deficit , not provincially or federally at all for any reason except in war time wartime meaning we are invaded as a nation not we went to another nation , we must go nuclear. Conscription is mandatory for all men for 2 years consecutively between 18-33 failure to comply will be a seizing of all assets donated to soldiers who are injured in battle who did serve. Gay marriage would be banned along with abortion , however civil unions between people would not be , the gov would have no control over marriage either way it could only issue civil union certificates for income tax purposes. No politician or gov beurocrats shall ever make more than the average income of the nation , however during good economic time the people could reward politicians performance with a bonus to be voted on .politicans pensions will be smaller than the average civilian private pension. Public sector unions will be completely banned . History and the constitution must be memorized by the end of high school or you fail (know your rights) police will be armed to the teeth but be subject to the exact same laws the are sworn to uphold ie if a cop trespasses he can be legally shot and killed. Failure of a police officer to be kind and courteous to the citizenry or failure to uphold the laws for any reason will result in immediate termination and may be subject to jail time. Prisoners clean streets, dig ditches , walk dogs, clean shit, paint lines on a the road , and plow farmers fields……for free. Rapists get castration and are branded. Pediphiles hang in the public square every Friday . Corrupt politicians that try to side step or skirt the constitution will be hanged at the same time, people who commit treason as well, terrorists will have their family members hanged in front of them then they will be hanged as well. All assists seized will be donated to the victims of these crimes. Anyone in the country illegally can be shot and killed as an illegal alien invader and stand accused of espionage these aliens will be offered back to the host country at a price of not less than 1 trillion dollars. Refusal to pay will result in either hard labor or death by hanging. Petty crimes will be dealt with swiftly and acutely lashings, or public service . No immigration lawyers shall challenge on behalf of an illegal alien or any other visitor refugee Ect Ect. . You will pledge allegiance to the country and its people and understand what treason is so you cannot deny the charges should you commit the act . I could write more but I think I could do a good job drafting a constitution.

  26. @Oz: Since you like things simple, here it is.
    World War I was a devastating stalemate after 3 years of fighting until 1917 when the U.S. entered the war. Then it was over in 1918.
    World War II which started in 1939 saw all the European nations conquered, Great Britain and Russia nearly so by 1942. Then the U.S. entered the war and ended it by May 1945.
    WWI: The Royalty of Europe, Czar, Kaiser, and King decided they would have a war. The U.S. said who cares. We have no royalty and don’t recognize royalty. The King of England called upon the Commonwealth nations for help. And they did. So they fought in Russia and in France and in Africa and finally everything was just one big stalemate. Everyone was sick of it. In the U.S., the Great Britain lovers fought (figuratively) with the German lovers because the U.S. had both. Finally, because most people spoke English in the U.S., the U.S. decided to back England. The Americans landed in France. The war (WWI) ended the next year.
    So Oz, put all the FACTUAL dates that you want. It doesn’t change what really happened.
    WWII: The Europeans, again, decided to fight each other. The Germans attacked the Poles and conquered them. Then France fell to the Germans, then Greece and Serbia, then most of North Africa. In 1941, the Soviet Union was on the ropes and England was hardly better off. Still, why should the U.S. get involved in another thankless European War? Then in late 1941 (12/7/41), the Japanese attacked the U.S. And also Australia and India and various other Dutch, French and English colonies in the pacific. It looked really desperate. The British withdrew to India and Burma and were in desperate straits. The U.S. declared war on Japan. The Germans declared war on the U.S. And so WORLD WAR II was FULLY (emphasis on fully) underway in 1942.
    By 1943, the “Allies” position was stabilized in both the Pacific and the Atlantic. The Germans were driven out of North Africa after the American landings there. The Japanese were stopped completely in their expansion. By 1944, both the Axis countries and the Japanese were losing ground and battles. Italy surrendered. The Russians were advancing and American Armies were in France and Italy. The war ended in 1945.
    So Oz, put all the FACTUAL dates that you want. It doesn’t change what really happened.

  27. Yes, we need a country like the one you describe, and East/West separation seems like the only way to achieve it.

  28. *
    here’s a little factoid… since the liberals took over in ontari-owe
    in 2003 they have doubled the provincial debt.
    imagine what pierre-lite and his 30 billion dollar annual deficits
    will do to canada.
    *

  29. What really happened is that the Germans lost WWI because of the English invention called the TANK.
    American military actions in WWI were virtually irrelevant. You flatter yourselves(as always) that Germany quit because of your mere presence.
    What really happened in WWII is that the Germans lost because of the Russians, not Americans.
    Go ahead, break your arm patting yourselves on the back after entering both wars late, WWI 3/4 over and WWII 1/2 over.
    America has never done anything for anyone but themselves, not because it was morally right.
    America, world police, world protector? NO. And what is America doing now? Same as it always has.
    America promised to be a guarantor to Ukrainian sovereignty if Ukraine gave Russia it’s nuclear weapons aaaaand, nothing.
    Was the War in the Pacific part of WWII? No, it wasn’t.
    Nothing connects what the Japanese Empire did with WWII in the European theatre except that it’s aggressive expansion into European held territory in the Pacific region happened to overlap with WWII, time wise, but the Japanese had nothing to do with the German socialists and Russian socialists invading Poland which was what WWII was about.
    Were the Japanese socialists? No. They had an Emperor, they were not socialists. Germany and Italy were socialist nations.
    WWII was about the German repudiation of the Treaty of Versailles. America was a signatory of the Treaty of Versailles. America had an obligation as a signatory of the Great Powers to enforce that Treaty when the Germans broke the Armistace in 1939.
    What did America do when Germany broke the Armistace? Nothing.
    If Germany had not declared war on America, America would have sat WWII out. Period.
    This is true history Yankee liar. America still did nothing after Germany declared war on America and had no interest in WWII until Germany launched Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the USSR.
    Then, American Trade Unions began agitating for the American government to get involved so as to save their glorious Russian Communists from the German National Socialists.
    American Trade Unions, patriots that they were and are still today, conducted more than 3000(three thousand) strikes during WWII.
    Do I know history? Damn Straight I do.
    “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else.”
    ~Sir Winston Churchill

  30. I should add here that although Sir Winston Churchill thought that America could always be counted upon to do the right thing, that his thoughts on the subject are dated. America can no longer be imagined to do the “right thing” anymore than we can count upon there “always being an England”.
    Oh and I almost forgot. As to Kings and Royalty. Since the Bushes think that they can keep running their sons to be President and the Clintons can run Hillary for President in a nation that has 300 million souls who should all be equally capable of running for the Presidency, it should be obvious that America is run by Royalty to any thoughtful honest observer.
    If the fact that American Presidents can PARDON any criminal, including murderers and even their corrupt selves, circumventing the judicial system and the decisions of jury by citizen peers(a power that European Royalty has not had for hundreds of years), then Americans are truly living in a fantasy world to congratulate themselves that they especially have not Royalty when, in actuality, their political system embodies all the worst functional characteristics that monarchy has ever, historically, had to offer.

  31. unfortunately I worked my ass off, and now that I am an old man the government is taxing money I managed to keep from them years ago at rates only a true communist would be proud of. not everyone was at the trough, there were those of us who had to keep filling it. when we could not supply enough the government borrowed on our behalf. we have not paid a dime on the debt young trudeau’s father incurred and things are going to get real bad for my grandkids.

  32. Oz, David in Michigan, and Paul in Calgary, have made my regular morning visit to SDA quite enjoyable and educational. Kate deserves a visit by me to the tip jar.

  33. you may know history but to divorce the war in the pacific from the war in Europe is not something that makes a lot of sense. you can use all the logic you wish but both were part of the global war at that time.

  34. my my my. quite ‘war’ of words here.
    let me preface my comments by stating I have studies 20th century history and politics for 50 years, ie LIVED thru it.
    WWI ended because the combatants were running out of targets and running out of personnel. attrition, Pyrrhic victory etc. America’s entry regardless of the timing is what tipped the scales. NOT the decrepit feeble tanks that broke down far too often. they were not a factor in combat until German invasion 1940. (historical note: 1939 events came to be known as ‘the phony war’). American attitude was, oh no. yer not dragging us into YOUR sibling argument again. Until Pearl Harbour which made it truly global in scope. And brought the American civilian capacity for production into the mix. the USSR paid the biggest price in casualties, and dished out the first German defeats, but could NOT have continued that trend the closer they got to Europe, until Roosevelt got the free hand he needed to enter the European war 2 minutes after Hitler, the biggest fcukup of the war, declared war on them courtesy the Japanese entry.
    in both cases America made up for its later involvement by the contribution of the likes of George S Patton, whose portrait from a magazine covered is framed and up on the wall in my living room.
    the American attitude was still the same during the Suez crisis 1956 iirc, that is, ooooooh no. no no no no Britain and Fwance, not a 3rd time versus Russia now. you’re not dragging us into your favorite hobby again.
    but, now, the Americans merely exhibit bullying behaviour, and it’s ALL about oil. their isolationism has morphed into something very hideous, all the while with the flag waving. the Vietnam war outcome was entirely predictable. my favorite editorial cartoon showed each president starting with Eisenhower saying a single word:
    Eisenhower: victory’s
    Kennedy: right
    Johnson: around
    Nixon: the
    Ford: corner
    my point being, they are now fighting for the WRONG reasons. it isn’t about liberty and justice and rights, now it’s about resources, starting with oil.

  35. Well, I like to tease my Yank friends about their siestas before entering both world wars, but I have to admit that it was American intervention and production that ended them both. If anyone has any doubts about the extent of the Yanks’ participation, look up the casualty figures.

  36. I stop listening when Hannity and others like Bill O’Reilly ask a question and then talk over the person answering the question. If you as the interviewer won’t let the guest respond then how are we to get their input to the question rather than your opinion.

  37. The government spending “bubble” is FAR worse than any “tech bubble”, or “real estate bubble”, or even “student loan debt bubble”. Just ask Venezuela, Brazil, Greece, Spain, Italy, …
    Any more significant downturn in the US economy … and the whole world blows up

  38. Yes, Kenji the government spending bubble is the worst and both parties like to blow it up.
    Marc, I knew it was a snarc, I was piling on your snarc with some of my own.

  39. “you can use all the logic you wish but both were part of the global war at that time.”
    Yes, WWII and the Pacific War coincided in time. Other than coinciding in time they had nothing to do with each other.
    Use logic with a Leftist? Heaven forbid. I don’t expect Leftists to respect logic or facts.
    WWII, which was *WWI 2.0, and the expansion of the Japanese Empire, had nothing to do with each other.
    *historians agree(and they don’t agree on much) that the punitive measures the French insisted on in the Treaty of Versailles led directly to WWII. What did the Japanese have to do with the Treaty of Versailles? Nothing and also …nothing.
    Did I mention that the War in the Pacific had nothing in common with WWII?
    They were two separate wars that happened to occupy the same space in time.(roughly)

  40. By the way, the U.S. was already secretly sending an AVG(sheepdipped American Volunteer Group) known as the Flying Tigers to make a *secret(kept from the American public) war against the Japanese in China by July 1941, 5 months before the Japanese struck back December 7 1941.
    The commonly known historic myth is that the Japanese struck the American fleet at Pearl Harbour without a declaration of war, the truth is that America was already making war against the Japanese Empire many months earlier in the year without having declared war themselves.(hypocrites)
    http://www.flyingtigersavg.com/index.php/avg/history/28-history-of-the-flying-tigers
    For those who are truth/fact/logic challenged: Germany had not opened hostilities, with the invasion of Poland, until September 01 1939.
    *the U.S. government does a LOT of that secret war stuff, it still does so today, some of it against it’s own citizens

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