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Don't think of it as shutting down power plants.

TransCanada says three of its Alberta power plants will become unprofitable as a result of a change in provincial law, so it plans to terminate their power purchase agreements. [...]

The decision affects the Sheerness power plant near Hanna, Alta., 230 kilometres northeast of Calgary, and the Sundance A and B plants that are 70 kilometres west of Edmonton.

Think of it as "strike action".

Allegations in the comments: Scuttlebutt in Calgary is that Murray Edwards - owner of the Flames with a huge stake in NG met with Sierra club and greenpeace and cut a deal that would be palatable to them and then took it to Notley who agreed. The deal essentially freezes coal out of the generation system and maintains and even expands NG. All done with zero consultation with the coal generators.


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One of two things will happen here. First, the Alberta government can allow electricity rates to rise to cover the cost they impose. Second, people otherwise start doing without electricity.

Alberta had another choice 10 years ago, when Bruce Power offered to build a nuclear plant in Alberta using their own capital. Albertans in their infinite wisdom turned it down.

Or .... Going GALT ... and it is time for that.

In order to make up the loss of electrical production, the rates will double or triple ... Thank you New Dictator Party (NDP) of Alberta. Expect the LIEberal carbon tax to increase the cost of everything in Canada ... but Canada will have saved the planet, and the world will continuing releasing "carbon" (though it has nothing to do with Climate Change/Global Warming) and no concern for destroying Canada financially .... so that the New Dictator Party (NDP) of Alberta and LIEberals under Just-in can boast and feel good.

It's okay Christie in a one way deal has offered to sell rach power. To combat global warming you know. Meanwhile shipping coal overseas through the port of Vancouver

A world gone mad

" a total non-cash charge of $235 million before taxes and $175 million after taxes."

That's about a $30 million hit each for Notley and Trudeau, not considering loss of future taxes.

Using Ontario hydro as a model, Rach , what a shame

Christy can pound the transmition towers up her ass, I'll run a genset first...

Scuttlebutt in Calgary is that Murray Edwards - owner of the Flames with a huge stake in NG met with Sierra club and greenpeace and cut a deal that would be palatable to them and then took it to Notley who agreed. The deal essentially freezes coal out of the generation system and maintains and even expands NG.

All done with zero consultation with the coal generators.

Murray Edwards, the guy whose mine pond burst and polluted a BC river? That bazillion aire?
And he didn't buy an access hour of Rach time?
Didn't anybody tell the dippers natural gas is CARBON too?
The eye Ron knee is delicious.

well Newfburtans, welcome to the Morontario model

"A world gone mad". Exactly! The lunatics are running the asylum. We can thank the late sleazebag commie Mo Strong for this.

Coal power production suffers from the same affliction as nuclear; mass ignorance and fear mongering. If you mention coal fired and the mind goes to smoking belching chimneys and sooty laborers shoveling coal into boilers. As if the technology hasn't moved from the 1800's. that is the way the greenies and media party want you to think. It helps their agenda.
The same with nuclear, a Chernobyl is waiting to happen at any second. never mind it is actually green and does not emit any carbon or greenhouse gasses, it is still taboo.

Alberta, Ontario and the rest of Canada is screwed as the green agenda marches on. Never mind that the facts prove contrary to the Goracle, the mantra is written in stone now and to deny is heresy.

A conservative estimate of Canada’s existing carbon-absorption capacity, based on land area and the global carbon-absorption average, indicates that Canada could already be absorbing 20 to 30 per cent more CO2 than we emit. Using the same calculation, the “Big Four” polluters of China, the U.S., the European Union, and India, which together are responsible for a whopping 60 per cent of global CO2 emissions, release 10 times more CO2 than their combined land area absorbs. Canada doesn’t seem very dirty now, do we?

You're not the only one who has been saying this for years. Stupid sheeple don't want to listen to any facts that challenge their preconceived notions.

While North America has embraced clean-coal technology, Asia has not. Asia is the single biggest source of coal fired toxic pollution poisoning the planet. Think about that the next time you buy some cheap disposable product from China.

I wonder if the "smoke" stacks look like that when it's less than freezing out.

That's exactly what the NDP wanted to happen, so for them it's good news.

If burning coal is so evil, why does the federal government do nothing to extinguish burning coal veins in Canada?
There is one up on the Mackenzie River, about 200 miles out of Norman Wells,that has burned for centuries.
Definitely a federal responsibility.
Zero action.

Good news? price of oil will soon sky rocket as well this is all planned to take more rights and money and power from people but also to make the stupid billionaires of green energy investing stocks more profitable and competitive.

why does the federal government do nothing to extinguish burning coal veins in Canada?

For the same reason they don't try to stop volcanoes or earthquakes.
That's a lot different from wantonly burning coal with no concern for the toxic pollution released, as in most of Asia. Canada's regulations require that most of the toxic pollution from coal burning is 'scrubbed' and disposed of safely. The CO2 released isn't a major problem in Canada. Our forests absorb all the CO2 we generate plus more from the rest of the planet..

Worked on electrical design on both Sundance and Sheernes in the early to the late '70s of the last century.

All the exhaust had absolutely latest percipitators to take 90% of solids out of the smoke beforte it got up the stacks.

With gas as cheap as it is one can see that it is more profitable.

Malaysian partner in LNG project in BC pretty much had enough of the endless bulls**t...

http://business.financialpost.com/news/energy/malaysias-petronas-threatening-to-abandon-lng-project-over-new-climate-change-rules?__lsa=b71a-3919

Given the federal government until Mar. 31 to green light the development, or they're pulling the plug.

Having spent $12 billion to date, and with nothing to show for it, can't say I blame them one bit.


gawd... dont give justin any ideas he still has lots of friends to pay back for the election. hey here's a billion dollars do a study on how to extinguish a fire in the ground where no one can get to. take your time, hire a few refugees and natives.

Same in Sparwood, right along the Crowsnest Highway #3.

I blame Obama ... who was famously caught telling a roomful of Eco-leftists at a campaign fundraising stop in San Francisco, that energy (specifically, coal powered energy) costs ... "would necessarily rise". The Eco-Libs simply want to use market forces to change our behavior. Behavior such as powering our factories, warming our homes, and driving to work or play. THOSE behaviors have been deemed an "enemy of Gaia" ... and MUST be punished.


Just WAIT till your energy costs actually DO "necessarily rise" ! Then BOTH sides of the political spectrum will unleash it's Trump-esque RAGE on the boy-minister of Canada !

I am not sure how many people realize that Obama has set time-delay fuses on most all of his draconian laws, rules, and regulations ... set to blow-up our wallets ... AFTER he has left office and is collecting a generous pension (and Secret-Service protection). For example, Obamakare has not been fully implemented yet, and won't be till next year. The fines for non-compliance will suddenly become painfully punitive forcing more Millennials than ever to evade taxes and Obamakare. But the absolute WORST time bomb is the "Cadillac plan" punishment for those who have non-Obamakare plans thru their employers. This includes EVERY UNION job in America, including the Teachers Unions. All of these employees are gonna get a rude awakening when they see a huge chunk of take-home pay missing from their envelopes in the first week of 2016 ... or worse ... get told their existing health plans have been canceled, and they can go sign-up at their local Obamakare Exchange.

Why do I mention all this ? How does it relate to this issue ? Because your "necessary rise" in energy costs have been strategically designed to slowly and steadily INCREASE. It will start with a modest $ 7.50 increase in your monthly bill, then another quid, and another and another ... till it all adds up to UNAFFORDABLE energy costs. The ol' slowly boiled frog gambit

Any population stupid enough to vote in leftists will pay in the form of much higher energy bills. It's the same down here, and this article even admitted that wind energy is so pathetic that they need to build gas backup for it, at great expense:

--Montana’s electric cooperatives will likely share in a $5 billion bill to comply with the federal Clean Power Plan, officials say.

The $5 billion is what Basin Electric Power Cooperative estimates it will need to cut greenhouse gases from its coal-fired power plants, while also adding wind farms and gas-fired generators as replacement energy sources.
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“The bulk of our generation was built during the Fuel Use Act of 1978, when we were prohibited from building natural gas base-load facilities,” Miller said. “Despite our investing billions of dollars to maintain and make these units some of the cleanest in the country, now the EPA is essentially telling us to do the opposite — shut down coal and build wind, which needs to be backed up by peaking generation — gas.”

Basin is working with states to comply with the Clean Power Plan, Miller said. However, it is also suing EPA over the legality of the Clean Power Plan.--

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/electric-cooperatives-challenged-by-clean-power-plan/article_e5a76079-ad3a-5a2d-ab37-ee2216d0d0f4.html

Here's a shot of Sheerness, near Hanna, taken in August 2012. Taken by someone named David Dodge for the Pembina Institute of all outfits.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pembina/8538609377

Another one, shot in June 2015 by Sean McCormick who posts on SDA occasionally. The water feature in the foreground is a Regional (I think) Park, clearly barely surviving the massive pollution from such a disgusting operation, heh, heh.

http://tinyurl.com/hvsvxoa

Burning coal isn't evil. Burning coal to make power, and to make money out of making power to supply other industries that make money, is the "evil" here. You can't make socialism appear to improve people's lives while you have something that actually works, e.g. the free market that actually improves people's lives. It doesn't stand up to comparison, which is why the left/progressive believers need to tear down everything that works and erase history. Restart at Year Zero. Future generations who know nothing else will believe what they are told because there will be nothing else to believe, then they will also do as they are told. Finally, socialism will be a success.

Burning coal and spewing toxic pollution like most of Asia does is 'evil'.
Burning coal with N.American stack gas standards is only 'evil' to the people who think the CO2 bubbles in beer and champagne are 'evil'.

Canada could already be absorbing 20 to 30 per cent more CO2 than we emit.


Thank all your Justin Liberals for sucking up to Obama and absorbing his carbon credits..

Obviously, this is bad news for people in the coal generating plants and coal mines. I also doubt those blue collar workers will have journalists crying any tears over the demise of their livelihoods like they do for their colleagues who've lost employment in the media industry. progressive journalists will likely be spiking the ball and doing a happy dance about those dirty, polluting coal workers in Alberta being unemployed. Especially after their disappointment in Vancouver last week.

On the less cynical side, natural gas a good substitute for replacing the old coal plants. In fact, QEPS in Saskatoon converted from coal to natgas without having to move. The advantage of this is that the existing coal generating stations already have the infrastructure- buildings, WTP, piping, switch yards, transformers and staff. The transition may not be that traumatic for communities like Hannan.

I blame all statist morons equally. Diminishing marginal productivity never results in more prosperous and free society; but it does "create" many government jobs, boondoggles and assorted white elephants, while extinguishing far more than their fair share of jobs, innovation and investment.

Until the sheeple actually figure this out, and remember their tolerance for fiscal plain and illogic allow them to actually suspend reality, nothing will change, except to get worse and worse as our nation plays the watermelon scapegoat game.

As far as failed projects or rethinks by our partners over our tax increases aimed squarely at business: mission accomplished for JT who lectures us on our fear and ignorance when he aimlessly follows the decrepit and corrupt narrative of big government, smarter than us (when the contrary is clearly evident) investing while pilfering from investment, then by magic leaving us better off in any meaningful way.

Trudeau can bite me with his sanctimonious intellectual laziness. No you political numbskull, you're the one who doesn't get it. Rex can help explain:

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2016/03/08/rex-murphy-the-first-ministers-conference/#.Vt8W4vb2aM8

Destroying Canadian productivity and international competitiveness courtesy of these fanciful transactions of decline will surely injure us, that's not fear that's reality, of which he, not us, is ignorant.

We must run this cabin boy out of the PMO along with his corrupt by incompetence and entitled party. It must be done from a grassroots level with the stated aim to give us back what we our constitution says is our birthright - good government - which by any sense of reality must be limited. People here too have had it, Trump and Bernie are not just a US phenomenon. But, upon victory the job must be completed - complete tax reform, no more favouritism in broadcasting or industry, restoring accountability, an end to jurisdictional usurpation, & overall a final and for all time stop to the obscene waste of taxpayer dollars in whatever cause. Enough, enough, enough, in 2019 (or 2020 if JT really craters and hangs on past the fixed election date).

Nah best kind of idea to give the eco-nasties.
Norman Wells and the Mackenzie Valley need road access .
And the concept of a bunch of Libtards freezing their asses off as they fall into a fiery pit appeals to my sense of humour.
This could be a twofer.
Great wedge issue, why the F should I not burn coal any way I want, if the government is willing to let this valuable resource( isolated coal seam) just burn.
without scrubbers even.
Butts hypocrisy is awesome.

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