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The Sound Of Settled Science

By Kate on July 8, 2015 1:40 PM | 12 Comments

"Ten years ago I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day I started checking the facts and data - first I started with a sense of doubt but then I became outraged when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and the media were telling us was sheer nonsense and was not even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day I still feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations of their science without first checking it. The CO2-climate hysteria in Germany is propagated by people who are in it for lots of money, attention and power."

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John Lewis | July 8, 2015 2:38 PM | Reply

Also Ivar Giaever: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/08/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-says-obama-is-dead-wrong-on-global-warming/

Fred2 | July 8, 2015 2:44 PM | Reply

Put mind in gear before putting mouth in motion.

Seriously, Mr. Scientist.... it didn't register ANY twinges of "what the heck are they talking about, and perhaps I should do a little digging", 10 years ago, especially when a minority said "hold on, what?"

I know I'm not the only one, but haven't most people gotten to the point where if a well crafted campaign for or against something happens, seemingly suddenly, ( whether you do not agree, and especially IF you do and it's suddenly a thing.) you do not automatically suspect a propaganda exercise being played on you?

A couple of years ago "salt is horrible for you" was suddenly in every newspaper, etc... for a couple of months. Did that not ring the BS meter like a carillon? ( I tend to agree with that, but the sudden carpet bombing made me very very suspicious.)

Ed Minchau | July 8, 2015 2:59 PM | Reply

The interview is three years old.

Spurwing Plover | July 8, 2015 4:13 PM | Reply

The UN and IPCC traveling all around the world in their Gulf steams and leer jets driven to fancy meeting rooms in gas guzzling 11 mpg limos and dictaing to us all SCREW THEM

Fred R. | July 8, 2015 4:41 PM | Reply

"...Sea Level is calculated..."

Sciency type question: how is it measured? Sit on a beach and watch the waves roll in. Sit on a ship and watch the waves in the ocean. How do you average all of this out, when it can vary by METERS, and definatively say the levels have changed a couple centimeters, with no margin of error?

So how can this be used as a marker of impending doom? But ask this kind of question, and you are an evil denier.

cgh replied to comment from Fred R. | July 8, 2015 6:01 PM | Reply

Fred, it's done with tide gauges.There's nothing wrong with this in principle. Average tidal height records go back centuries. Except that what the IPCC did was select those tide gauges located near large harbours like Hong Kong. All harbours subside because of urban development and pumping out ground water. Using selected gauges showed a much larger apparent increase.

As to your earlier comment, this is not surprising. In the academic community there's a tendency, for the most part a good one, to take people at their word. If they claim to have done the research, you accept that statement. As has been noted here many times, this is what the peer review process is supposed to do. I did too at one point many years ago. Then something happens. Something is claimed which just sounds wrong. And when you look into it, you discover that the supporting data doesn't support it at all, or it's an outright statistical fabrication aka Mannian statistics. Now intrigued, you start looking at other things and discover they are pretty stinky as well.

Then, to compound it all, you discover that there's a relatively small group reviewing each other's papers and handing out free passes, thus completely corrupting peer review.

That's the Excelsior Moment when you finally say, "All of this is pure crud!"

Phillip G Shaw | July 8, 2015 7:49 PM | Reply

""Average tidal height records go back centuries.""Cgh

But that assumes that the bedrock(continental drift) reference has not changed. The Eastern seaboard (USA) was subjected to a relative measurement of Continental drift VS water levels and found that the "Simple" measurements were invalid. "The Shore has Moved"

The Newfoundlander that marks his fishing spot with an X on the side of his boat has the same problem.

dizzy replied to comment from Ed Minchau | July 8, 2015 9:17 PM | Reply

// The interview is three years old. //

Yeah, the organizations seems to be comatose.
http://www.desmogblog.com/european-institute-climate-and-energy

It's the same old crew.

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Michael H Anderson | July 8, 2015 10:47 PM | Reply

What's your point, DIZZY (most appropriate nic I've seen in 20+ years of using the public Web)? Do you have one? Didn't think so. You like names? Here's 31,000 plus to go through since you apparently have a limitless amount of free time to piss away:

http://www.petitionproject.org/signers_by_last_name.php

Assclown!

eastern paul | July 9, 2015 12:33 AM | Reply

Download " The Delinquent Teenager".
Its all in there about what a pile of garbage the IPCC reports are.

dizzy replied to comment from Michael H Anderson | July 9, 2015 1:05 AM | Reply

That "petition" is even more out of date than the names I posted.
// first circulated in 1998, [...] The petitioners claim to have signatures from 31,000 plus scientists // wiki

And you have been your charming & irrelevant self for a good long time as well --

RPJ 16 December, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Wow, what an arrogant and defensive asshole Michael H. Anderson. When you actually have something to bring to the conversation do drop in again. Until then, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
https://paulitics.wordpress.com/2007/08/10/what-do-politics-and-monkey-shit-fights-have-in-common/#comment-16251

oldwhiteguy replied to comment from Ed Minchau | July 9, 2015 7:40 AM | Reply

Ed, it may be three years old but it still reflects sanity and conditions have not changed.

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oldwhiteguy: Ed, it may be three years old but it still read more
dizzy: That "petition" is even more out of date than the read more
eastern paul: Download " The Delinquent Teenager". Its all in there about read more
Michael H Anderson: What's your point, DIZZY (most appropriate nic I've seen in read more
dizzy: // The interview is three years old. // Yeah, read more
Phillip G Shaw: ""Average tidal height records go back centuries.""Cgh But that assumes read more
cgh: Fred, it's done with tide gauges.There's nothing wrong with this read more
Fred R.: "...Sea Level is calculated..." Sciency type question: how is it read more
Spurwing Plover: The UN and IPCC traveling all around the world in read more
Ed Minchau: The interview is three years old. read more

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