Restoring Science To Its Rightful Place

'Chutzy' the spelling is reflective of the mentality of those who think polio, measles, mumps, rubella and meningitis are cool diseases to catch.

Well other than the fact that they may KILL you...

Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group 'True North'

Aaahhhh...:) Their tribe is definitely growing.

Yes their tribe is growing. Although it is from indoctrination, not procreation.

Disenfranchised, struggling germs and viruses,
assaulted by a white male in a white lab coat.

I am beginning to see the truth of it all..

Phantom Your neighborhood sounds like it has gone to pot. Have you thought of a move?

Oh believe me, I did. The fruitcake Liberal voters live in the city, I moved out to the sticks. Where common sense is still common.

All of Ontario isn't f-ed in the head, just the north shore of Lake Ontario pretty much. Once you get past Barrie it becomes fairly normal again.

"Faking being a good, concerned parent gets the job done."

That's exactly it isn't it?
I had a uber liberal friend once who had his first child in his early 40s.
He was totally angst ridden over the prospect of his son being circumcised. He himself was.
The pain the poor dear would have to endure.

What was especially funny was that like many liberals he was virulently antisemitic.
BUT his much younger wife (a hottie) was a Jewish convert. But really a fake Jew.
As the shrink in Fawlty said of Basil, there's enough there for a whole conference.

In the end, the circumcision happened after I opined that a cut pe**s was more attractive.
She agreed. LOL.

YUP, it's all about fake concern, fake best parental practices.

Well said @ 9:49. The Whole Foods dipped in pig sh*t crowd only concentrate on the 154 cases of polio and not on the 78 million who did not get polio.

In my small rural small urban neighbourhood north of Saskatoon there are approximately a dozen people in their 60s and early 70s who are suffering from the long term effects of polio. A few have already died an early death which can be attributed to them acquiring polio.

The so-called doctor Wallace, and by extension the woman (whatshername) behind "Silent Spring" DDT scam should be charged with crimes against humanity.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the consequences of a wholly inadequate science and mathematics education.

No one has ever claimed that vaccines, like any other medical treatment, are completely safe. They aren't. As neo just pointed out, having a shower or leaving your house isn't 100% safe. What vaccines do is lower a child's risk of contracting a fatal or disfiguring disease, they don't eliminate it. Innumerate and/or emotionally immature people think in black and white, either/or absolutes - if vaccines aren't 100% safe then OMG they are t3h ebils!. A child has a small but statistically significant risk of catching a disease from a vaccine. That same child has a much, much larger risk of catching that disease if not vaccinated, and that risk gets even higher when herd immunity is compromised by people using their skulls to store old rags instead of using their god-given intellect to make educated choices about their children's safety.

Life's dangerous. Get a helmet. And get your kids vaccinated.

Thank you for your response and your kind label. This is the source: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/dis-faqs.htmb please also note the section about vaccine derived polio. My big question is if in 1993 154 cases of polio were caused by the vaccine, how many were caused in previous years? no stats on that? no surprise.

In October 1995 I was talking on the phone with my sister in law -whose 4 month baby was just vaccinated. "oh baby don't do this to me" were the words I heard as the line went dead! Baby had a hypotonic episode- [check out the vaccine reaction reports on Health Canada's site. section 9 a)b)c)d)-that is how many sections it takes to list the possible reactions!!] Baby was transported to hospital by ambulance, spent 4 days in NICU poked, jabbed, spinal tapped- on a little 4 month old! The doctor who was head of neonatology did not report the reaction. Luckily the IMPACT nurse did. IMPACT is voluntary group set up by pediatricians. They are in 12 hospitals in Canada. Thing is-there are 14 children's hospitals in Canada.

and my dear fellow conservative- in the western world you child is much more likely to die from a car crash than the measles, chicken pox or mumps. When I was a kid these were mild childhood diseases. Not sure how they became so scary. Check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDb0ZS3vB9g.

Or, if not kill you, seriously and permanently disable you. I'll bet the anti-vaxxers have no idea what an iron lung is or what it's used for.

I find it amusing that self reported 75 year old who calls himself neo and purports to be a free thinker ridicules you by quoting dogma and casting aspersions.

"vaccines are a boon to mankind. only fruitcakes think otherwise"

"man-made global warning will be the death of mankind. only fruitcakes think otherwise."

Two ideas with traction, both "fully" endorsed by government academia and industry...career suicide to fight either one. In the name of intellectual honesty I can't see how you can embrace one and not the other. (and I speak with the voice of experience on the "career suicide" angle with the granola class.)

How many millions of kids received the polio vaccine and did NOT get the disease? You are taking the anecdotal evidence of ONE baby who had an adverse reaction as proof that vaccines are dangerous? So you are basing your conclusions on numbers that are statistically insignificant.
By the way, prior to 2000, polio vaccine was made from a live poliovirus, so that a few cases of polio per year were caused by the vaccine itself. Since 2000, the polio vaccine used is an inactive form of the virus that cannot cause polio.

http://amhistory.si.edu/polio/howpolio/ironlung.htm

No device is more associated with polio than the tank respirator, better known as the iron lung. Physicians who treated people in the acute, early stage of polio saw that many patients were unable to breathe when the virus’s action paralyzed muscle groups in the chest. DEATH was frequent at this stage, but those who survived usually recovered much or almost all of their former strength.

The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis began mass distribution of tank respirators in 1939.

In the 1930s, an iron lung cost about $1,500—the average price of a home.

In 1959, there were 1,200 people using tank respirators in the United States; in 2004, there were 39.

The anti-vaxxers campaign is akin to cheering for the Darwin Award winner...

I believe the anti-vaxxers have Infantile Brain Syndrome.

"Since 2000, the polio vaccine used is an inactive form of the virus that cannot cause polio."

Thanks for bringing that important information to our attention.

Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group 'True North'

spelling seems hard too. I have never in all my discussions linked vaccines to autism. But if that is the way to divert the discussion to belittle anyone who has questions about vaccines, have at it.

"I have never in all my discussions linked vaccines to autism".
Perhaps you haven't, but many anti-vaxxers do make that (non-existent) link, relying on the opinion of that Nobel Prize winning scientific genius Jenny McCarthy (arcasm alert).
I don't know what's more depresssing, the fact that an uneducated starlet thinks she's qualified to give medical advise, or the fact that people actually follow her advice.

aunti j, I never said nor implied that you tried linking vaccines to autism, the only part of my post to you was the math part. As some one else stated that the deaths that are thought to be possibly related to vaccines should be weighted against the probable lives saved, and that exercise is fairly simple math, kapeach???

It is others, not in here, that keep barking about vaccines causing autism. And then there is the crowd that says there is a link between autism and GMOs

some figures to add to the equation. http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreport.pdf

Funny world ain't it?
You'll see a dad throw his toddler around like he's a glop of pizza dough but won't vaccinate the child cause it's too dangerous.

It would also help if the various public health authorities were honest about adverse reaction rates. Instead, we get the bromide: it's very rare. They need to be more honest, as in: "one in xxxxxx children will have a severe reaction, and one in xxxxxxx children will have a very severe reaction. Should that child be yours, here's how we help." And give real help.

Hi Boris, how's Natasha?

I think the comment that covers your and Aunt J's astoundingly innumerate objections the best is:

News Flash! Dozens die annually from appendix surgery!

And you know, dozens world wide really do die from appendix surgery. Every single year. Either it was done wrong, or too late, or the surgeon was drunk, or the patient caught an infection and died, or lots of things go wrong. And people die.

Shall we ban appendix surgery, you fools?!

"Instead, we get the bromide: it's very rare."

It IS very rare. As in, amazingly rare. As in, more likely to be struck by lightning than have that reaction. Look it up, the numbers are freely available on Google. More people get struck by lightning every year than die or become paralyzed after getting the polio vaccine.

But yes, it does happen. Just as people do get struck by lightning. Shall we all stop going outside? Shall we all wear chain mail underwear and have grounding wires trailing behind everywhere we go?

Do you drive with your kids in the car, ever? That's fantastically more dangerous than polio vaccine.

Barbie says, "Seriously? Math isn't -that- hard."

I see no lack of coherence.
Just as the application of statistics has shown the positive evidence of properly weighing the risks for and against a vaccine for a crippling disease like polio so has statistics shown that the climate warming science is wildly exaggerated.