Private Enterprise Agility vs. Big Government Sluggishness

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Seattle based Amazon.com is in an interesting battle with the Obama regime over the subject of aerial drones. It's interesting that Obama supporters constantly drone on (pun deliberate) about how "progressive" they are. Not always, it seems.


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The first time a drone chews up a toddler, there will be hell to pay. Does Amazon really want that kind of liability? I'm guessing no.

All aircraft operate under VFR (visual flight rules) or IFR (instrument flight rules)
IFR means they are under the control of air traffic control through radar, transponders, communication, ect.
VFR means the pilot must, at the least, maintain a visual watch for other aircraft, ect.
If drones are to safely fly in shared airspace (from the ground up to thousands of feet high) they have to operate under the above flight rules. I doubt if a camera would suffice as a 'visual watch'.
I would think it would be very easy for terrorists to target aircraft of all sizes and do major damage to them. Fifty pounds of the right king of material into a jet engine or pilots windshield would be catastrophic. It wouldn't even be suicidal.

The popular slogan ITS HARD TO FLY LIKEA EAGLE WHEN YOU WORK FOR TURKEYS and the biggist turkey lives in the Whitehouse

The "progressives" enact regulations and hearings to stop measures they disagree with. They stop regulations and hearings to enact measures they agree with. Whether it's a drone, pipeline or wind turbines being considered, "due diligence" depends entirely on their opinion on the matter.

Thus pipelines are subject to paralysis by analysis and lawfare, while their pet wind turbine projects are exempted from the nuisance of having to demonstrate their safety &/or efficacy.

It's not that complicated - really. Remember, common sense is a superpower, though once a troll asked me to define it's meaning - of course that proved they didn't have any ..... well you know what I mean.

Why can't the people who work for Amazon or Microsoft in Seattle, or the people who work for Google or Facebook in California, understand that the president they so eagerly supported is a staunch advocate of central planning?

I can understand if they want such issues as gay rights or legalized pot or abortions. But they should be able to get that without voting for a glib marxist with a messiah complex.

The mind boggles.

I'm interested in the possibility of these things in hu*****.

You could stand by your truck,while the camera-carrying drone checks out the valley over the hill in front of you.

Provincial governments across Canada are probably scrambling to prevent this by legislation as we type.

Amazon is just the beginning. If drone delivery becomes normal (and if allowed it will become normal) then shortly the sky is going to be cluttered with drones. Really.
Also, there will be a lot of unionized federal U.S. Postal Service workers out of a job and mail delivery is one of the few services the U.S. government is actually authorized to provide to the nation in the Constitution.

I certainly wouldn't want a 5lb package + dead drone falling on me or my truck from 200 feet. This is a bad idea period.

2 things, one a gust of wind

two, if they become normal it will be hard to separate the good from the bad. Terrorists would just need to fly one so a passenger jet engine ingest one of them on take off.

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I also have a bit of a problem with these drones, and not just because posties would lose their jobs.

I can't see it as being economically feasible.
In a downtown core (Calgary,e.g.)the logistics to get a package to an office would be insurmountable. I don't think it could be done.
Apartment buildings, same problem.

In residential areas, there would have to be satellite offices all over to make it feasible, and those would have to be staffed by humans. One main depot out near the airport would mean that the drones would take one package, drop it off, and then return empty.
How many drones would be needed on a Monday morning in Calgary?

How would the drones do in inclement weather?
Would they be accurate during a chinook, a rainstorm, a blizzard ?
How about at night?
Would they be trusted if other groups were also using drones, perhaps for nefarious purposes?

As much as I like the futuristic appeal, I don't think that drones will ever replace the courier companies. Sometimes man is better than machine.

Robert, I don't understand your point. How is this story about hypocrisy or contradiction among "progressives"? Are aerial drones supposed to be a progressive cause? Is Amazon? Or are you just instinctly against anything that the Obama administration does?

Seriously, what would you do differently? Instantly green-light Amazon's (or any private enterprise's) request to fly commercial drones in any public airspace without any public oversight? I'm honestly asking.

At a guess autonomous vehicles will be doing most of the Amazon deliveries, on the ground, after midnight. At about the speed of a mobility scooter. But there will be a lot of them and they'll be cheap.

The opportunity for abuse is to great. I don't want shit flying over my property. Can these things be outfitted with cameras? ...if so, f**K you.

Well. When drones ("flown" by idjits on the ground) can plop down at my address, which is 4 NMs from the threshold of two runways of an international airport, then come talk me, twit. Full disclosure, former pilot and aeronautical engineer, and FE in the CAF. Back to your hidey hole under the bridge.

I'm scratch building one for recreational purposes. I have a fairly good idea of how these things work and what their limits and capabilities are. Not only can these things fly cameras, it wouldn't be a big deal to hang a couple pounds of C4 on them and fly them up your nose with easily available FPV (First Person View)and currently available telemetry systems. I dunno what the big deal is, the drone flying over your yard will see everything your neighbor does when he looks over the fence.

I am not worried at all about my gov'ts use of this technology - I am worried far more about the Usual Suspects. Killing people with drones is now something anyone could do and it is only a matter of time before our islamic vibrants start doing it on a regular basis.

"I also have a bit of a problem with these drones, and not just because posties would lose their jobs."

Obama and the Democrats have a political problem with federal government union workers losing their jobs. Everything is political with Obama and the Left.

My problem is mostly with the sky being cluttered with drones. What big box chain existing now wouldn't soon start delivering orders made from your home computer directly to homes; merchandise, drug prescriptions, pizzas, coffee, etc. if Amazon is permitted to open this particular Pandora's Box?

p.s. I get a couple of delivers or so every week to my door from Amazon(mostly books) and I like them just fine.
I recently got a new Breville(made in Canada) electric coffee percolator that was more than $20 below the best in-store price.

Justthinkin -- ad hominems aside, I don't believe we disagree. Amazon's plan to fly delivery drones in American cities raises all sorts of safety, privacy, technological, and logistical questions (including, as you note, the wisdom of allowing delivery to places located near airport runways). It's a topic ripe with interesting and debatable issues, yet Robert can chosen the most banal, incoherent and, for SDA, utterly predictable of angles -- turning this into a pointless slag against "progressives".

Rather than calling me schoolyard names, why don't you encourage Robert to clarify his position?

Drones are already used to check power cables autonomously, outside of the operator's line of sight.
I think that Amazon (and others) should be allowed to embrace this technology, as the potential spin-offs are huge.

Also, it will open up a new rural hobby: Skeet shooting for random prizes. Right there, that fixes the private property aspect of the issue, but no doubt Amazon will go whining to the state for protection, (like many who want to ban this kind of thing) instead of simply understanding the cost of doing business.

Using drones for delivery is just dumb. Not only do you have the safety issues, and the privacy issues, and the issues of delivery to multi-unit buildings, but one thing that nobody else here has mentioned is energy. These drones aren't dirigibles. They remain aloft by the constant expenditure of energy to spin their little helicopter rotors. Very expensive power, too, since it's stored in lithium batteries. Their range isn't going to be that great, so packages would have to be trucked to a local drone base, and transferred to the drones. Then the drones fly out loaded, and fly back empty, for their next load (and probably a set of fresh batteries). Those brown trucks go from door, to door, to door all day long on a cheap tank of Diesel fuel.

If you really want to change the delivery paradigm, set up a freight service structured like Uber, essentially privateers who get their loads from a Web site. Call it "Hoober", for sake of argument. I'm going to Calgary this afternoon. I go on the Hoober site, see that Dave in Beiseker has a 20 lb. box that has to go to NW Calgary. I send Dave an e-mail, tell him I'm going right by there, and for five bucks, I'll haul his package. He agrees, done deal. Adds 10 minutes to my trip, negligible extra fuel, and five dollars in my jeans. Needless to say, such a service would have to have provisions to deal with no load, no pay, delivery impossible situations, and some sort of way of ensuring bona fides. Uber seems to handle that OK.

If drone delivery is a bad idea, then it will not be profitable for Amazon.
I say let them spend their money as they see fit, and the market will decide, if you hold voting shares of Amazon, you can vote against it.
That being said, your "Hoober" idea is also an excellent idea.

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