People with grievous and irremediable medical conditions should have the right to ask a doctor to help them die, Canada's highest court says in a unanimous ruling..
Gordie Howe will be feted in Saskatoon Friday at the Kinsmen Sports Celebrity Dinner. The town's Kinsmen Arena will be renamed Gordie Howe Kinsmen Arena.
It's going to be quite the day for Mr. Hockey. Mark Howe just hopes it's a good day for his father.











Gordie Howe The Greatest of Them All
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtK-2khay3s
The culture of death rejoices. There was a neighbour in Rez at the U of S who told everyone that 65 should be the "retirement" age - as in the age when people are put to sleep. After that age he felt people became too much of a drag on society. No amount of arguing could dissuade him..even if his own folks were no longer young and working their butt off in a small town cafe they owned to put him through school.
Welcome to the slippery slope and know that there are people in Canada idealogically eager to push others down it now that they can.
Hippocratic Oath anybody?
Finally! A way to deal with those troublesome sick people and old people. Plus a great way to hurry up an inheritance. I fear being executed because I am old more than I fear a lingering death.
It could well be a slippery slope even if there are strict guidelines in place.
I'm sure there have been times when very ill people have been given a dose of morphine or other potent painkiller beyond what their bodies could handle. We all need to have our wishes known to prevent the state from deciding our fate.
Judges should not be making that call.
Doctors and nurses at times help the dying process along, administering morphine to dull the pain and withholding nutrients, water and/or oxygen. That should be in consultation with the patient's family.
Interesting ruling. On the face of it, I think it's a good one. For everyone here who believes in property rights, and decries that they are not in the Charter, what is this ruling except a firm statement of just that from the SCC? If I don't own my body and my life, with the right to do with them what I will, I don't own anything.
We need safeguards for the process, but ultimately, if I want to end my life, nobody, not the state, not my family, not a doctor, and certainly not "society" has the moral or ethical right to stop me from doing so. It's time the law of the land recognized this fact.
The slippery slope of abortion was 'in the interests of the mothers health', and now...
Post-natal abortion, here we come.
Right in line with the other comments--- you are old, annoying and worth more dead than the time and patience to tend to you.
Maranatha.
We need safeguards for the process, but ultimately, if I want to end my life, nobody, not the state, not my family, not a doctor, and certainly not "society" has the moral or ethical right to stop me from doing so. It's time the law of the land recognized this fact.
Problem is, you want to make someone else complicit in killing you. It'll be like not serving the disoriented people, a crime.
And so our Supreme Overlords decree another 'Charter right' where no such text exists, and places a brick wall around any societal or Parliamentary debate on the issue. The Supremes have spoken, their word is final, so shall it be done. In a decade anyone who dares speak out against this new 'Charter right' will be considered a social pariah by the political left, our mainstream media, universities, etc, just as with abortion.
I pity the first doctor who dares to refuse to assist in a suicide on grounds of his/her personal beliefs (especially if he/she is a Christian). Poor devil will be roasted by all the above 'correct elements' of our society, probably drummed right out of practising medicine and made to repent his/her 'backwards' beliefs.
Our governments at all levels need to grow some balls and start invoking the notwithstanding clause from time to time to rein these judges in. I think it is profoundly unhealthy for such socially divisive topics to be judicially decreed "off limits" like this.
I'm not understanding your point. I neither said not implied that I want someone else complicit. And I have no idea what your sentence referring to disoriented people even means. its certainly no related to anything I said.
I am saying that I own myself and therefore I have the right to end my life, should I choose to, at any time and for any reason, and that is an sbsolute right.
It's going to be a great show tonight. I can't wait!
Funny, isn't it, how all the fans of assisted suicide want to give the job to physicians? Look, if you want to off yourself, fine. If you lack the wherewithal to do it, or lack the physical strength or physical courage to do the deed, get the help of a family member or trusted friend. Don't try to fob off the job onto the shoulders of a medical doctor, whose calling is to preserve life.
"I am saying that I own myself ..."
Heh, try selling your kidney...
Unelected, so-called "Supreme" Court judges are tools for gutless politicians who pass the tough, politically risky decisions off to the Court and run with their decisions.
Judges making decisions on issues that affect our lives directly need to be elected before we can consider ourselves to be a true democracy. They attain their robes by being appointed by the elected PM of the day, that's skirting democracy.
"I am saying that I own myself and therefore I have the right to end my life, should I choose to, at any time and for any reason, and that is an sbsolute right."
So, what's stopping you? Other than you can't get help to do it?
This was inevitable and will of course "progress" over the years. It's simply a matter of economics, we are living far beyond the ability of the government monopoly on health care to look after us, so it was only a matter of time.
A good example of government's treatment of the helpless is their dumping of the mentally ill onto the streets of our cities, purely a matter of cost, nothing more.If anyone believes their treatment of the elderly and sick will be any more merciful,they haven"t been paying attention,
I have said for many years that mine will be the first generation in history to be murdered by our own children, and have been scorned for such a cynical view.
But this decision today is just the start,and I am so crass as to say," I told you so".
Does this comment at the link epitomise the mentality of the average person these days?
"Best thing I've read in months!!!
So it's official, god doesn't exist and all of the smartest people in the world agree and are not abiding by the book written 2000 years ago. That being said, can we finally focus on giving women freedom to do what they want with their bodies when it comes to abortion? Can we finally legalize Marijuana?"
Trudeau in a landslide.
This rises two points. 1.When will this right become an obligation? 2. When the doctor refuses to help, will he be taken to the Human Rights Police and forced to, or at least refer the patient to someone who will comply. Also countries in Europe that have right to die are starting to look at the rate of RTD and are passing laws to restrict the use. They have expressed worry that the use is higher than the need. Of course when an eight year old expresses he wants to die and the parents and doctors agree why not. Last, if you have the right to die why can't an unborn have the right to life?
Yes, it has arrived...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-03-26/child-euthanasia-law-in-belgium-first-to-end-age-limits
March 27 (Bloomberg) -- Stefaan van Gool has treated brain tumors in children for almost 20 years. None of his young patients has asked for help to die. The Belgian doctor is now bracing for that possibility under a controversial law that’s the first to end age limits for the young.
“It was one of those take-your-breath-away moral moments,” Arthur Caplan, who heads the division of medical ethics at New York University’s Langone Medical Center, said in a telephone interview. “When you’re under 16, most parents don’t let children decide what to watch on television.”
Van Gool, the clinical head of pediatric neuro-oncology at University Hospital Leuven and a father of four, says the new law is “very, very dangerous.” He was one of about 200 pediatricians who signed a petition opposing it. Doctors have medical solutions to relieve the pain of terminally ill children, he says.
In short, they've already crossed the river Styx...the present case is just a 'warm up' for the END GAME.
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group 'True North'
Speaking as a disabled person, I don't want to live in this country any more...
Doctors have been known to SUGGEST it. Twit.
"I don't want to live in this country any more..."
Hey don't feel bad, it's just our idiot overlords.
You probably have more going for you, than what is occurring with the "SCOC brain trust".
Also in the future you might want to rephrase that comment, particularly around medical staff...just sayin.
Psalm 18:30
This God - his way is perfect; the promise of the LORD proves true; he is a shield for all those who take refuge in him.
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group 'True North'
Don Morris which are you? A troll, an idiot, the new Hitler, or are you just joking?
Any doctor that would suggest killing a patient is undoubtedly a douchebag like yourself.
I don't think the doctors saw it that way (too complicated and close to me to discuss).
All of the above,doug. Which are you?
That's why I encouraged my daughter to become a nurse.
"Also in the future you might want to rephrase that comment, particularly around medical staff...just sayin."
I see what you mean.
"I'm not very keen on maintaining citizenship in this country, if this becomes the law of the land".
That sounds better, I suppose.
I (literally) watched my mother smother to death over years from ALS. This is a compassionate decision, supported by people with experience and opposed by those without. Slippery slope arguments can be applied to many things, so much so that they are pointless ("All of life is lived on a slippery slope - George Will"). Watch someone die that way, and then let me see you get on your high horse. In the meantime, GFY.
Shorter Eric: Kill granny instead of help her to breathe easier!
"Compassionate"?
It's compassionate to force doctors who take their oath seriously (First, do no harm), and have a moral opposition to killing their patients to choose between continuing to practice medicine or killing patients?
Because make no mistake, that's the next step. They call it a slippery slope for a reason.
More to the point, do you really want medical treatment from a system populated exclusively with doctors who have no moral qualms against killing patients? That's the end result - whether it's reached in ten years or fifty. I imagine for some, that's the point. Great way to save on healthcare costs.
And yes, 'helping someone die' is the same as participating in their death.
And this report is from way back in 1999 and not including 14 more years of upping involuntary euthanasia in Holland. You can Google alot of similar reports and ones about academics making the argument that the doctors should have the final say about everybody.
http://www.euthanasia.com/holland99.html
I've also read in the recent past of Dutch doctors now ignoring the "Do Not Kill Me" cards anti-euthanasia types carry on them. And I've read one Dutch doctor admitting that the more you do it, the easier it becomes with the first time having been the hardest.
I watched my mother take a three year slide into the hereafter via a neurological disorder known as striato-nigral degeneration; where the dopamine producing cells in the brain die.
The symptoms were the regressive loss of all the autonomic functions, such as body temperature regulation, focusing of the eyes, fine motor control of the fingers, ambulatory skills, bladder, bowel, breathing, and eventually heart rhythms.
Even though her body was going to 'hell in a handcart'; she could still laugh and love and enjoy the visits from family. She made it to our home for a final Easter dinner, about 14 years ago, where the girls fed my mother; and only short years before she was feeding the grandchildren. This led to much laughter.
To all the 'death with dignity' propagandists: there is no such thing.
Death pretty much sucks all the way around, there is no dignity in losing ALL your autonomic functions. She still managed to laugh and appreciate all those around her. She left on God's good time, and wasn't in a hurry to leave. I wouldn't have shortened the time we had as much as 30 seconds.
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group 'True North'
"More to the point, do you really want medical treatment from a system populated exclusively with doctors who have no moral qualms against killing patients? That's the end result - whether it's reached in ten years or fifty. I imagine for some, that's the point. Great way to save on healthcare costs."
What's the difference between a suicide doctor and a serial killer? The doctor has a licence.
"And I've read one Dutch doctor admitting that the more you do it, the easier it becomes with the first time having been the hardest."
I've heard that's true for serial killers so the same principle may be at work here.
"Death pretty much sucks all the way around, there is no dignity in losing ALL your autonomic functions. She still managed to laugh and appreciate all those around her. She left on God's good time, and wasn't in a hurry to leave. I wouldn't have shortened the time we had as much as 30 seconds."
The suicide pushers seem to have a Disneyfied version of death: a person in advanced age but in no real distress dispensing wisdom to the family members gathered together for one last goodbye, as chamber music is piped into the room, and angels overhead await the soon-to-be-deceased with open arms so they can lift him or her into Fluffy Cloud Heaven.
That's what they think death is supposed to be like.
The idea that death is not pretty, or painless, and can strike at any age really upsets them. Moreso when it's the death that comes from disease and/or disability. OMG! Dying like a cripple!
Honestly, I think it terrifies them. Terrifies them that they won't die beautiful deaths, but ugly deaths.
Enter the Dignity in Dying advocates!
Afraid that your death won't be so beautiful because you'll be a wasted shell at the end? Of course you are. That's an UNdignified death. But we have a solution! Ask your doctor to prescribe or inject you with poison, and the taint of dying in an ugly fashion will be removed, you'll be able to "take control of your life", and best of all, it'll be "dignified". Huzzah!
Sorry. Chamber music is not always available.
Suicide pushers are cowards. They're afraid of experiencing hardship, pain and suffering, and want someone to take it all away. At all stages. Birth to death.
It doesn't work that way, though. Ever.
So postnatal abortion, and euthanasia. And they call ME barbaric for wanting a return of the death penalty!
FCUK ME I am befinning to really HATE the Ephors of Western society!
There is a certain justice in this. The generation that legalized the murder of inconvenient and unwanted babies will themselves be murdered when they become inconvenient and unwanted.
The cult of Trudopia working exactly as it was intended... The advantages of belonging to a cult rather than a nation are many, you never have to think for yourself, someone better than you will be appointed to "interpret" whats best for you, debate is not necessary, Parliament is not necessary, electing a Government is irrelevant and theres always plenty of Kool-Aid to go around. Can the Peoples Temple of Trudopia now be referred to as a "suicide cult" too...? or do we still pretend to be a British Parliamentary Democracy...? I await the Judges "interpretation" of what it was Trudeau Sr decided for me.
Often times what is acceptable becomes mandatory, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
Will Dr's have a choice to terminate or decline comment or to refer? Or no choice as they're essentially gov't employees in Canada.
How does this dovetail with "do no harm"?
I'm losing my grip on how to accurately describe the SCOC in rational terms.
Its times like this that Loki needs to make his presence felt.
let the good doctor speak
"We need safeguards for the process,..."
The Netherlands, Belgium, and Switzerland initially had so-called safeguards and now according to numerous reports out of Europe it has more or less become a free for all.
No link, (I looked for it)but on the Michael Coren show this evening there was discussion that the Ontario college of Physicians has already said that if a doctor does not want to be involved if asked they must find a doctor willing to do so or risk losing their license to practice.
Don @ 2:39, this is exactly where we are headed.
Soylent Green was just a little too early, just like the book 1984.
"...have a moral opposition to killing their patients to choose between continuing to practice medicine or killing patients?"
According to a report on the Michael Coren show this evening the Ontario College of Physicians has already made this quite clear. Now what was that about no slippery slope.
I second that. :-)
Dan, I second that emotion.
Post-Hippocratic medicine is just around the corner in Saskatchewan, too, unless the regulatory authority decides NOT to proceed with a policy that has already been approved in principle. See --
http://www.consciencelaws.org/notices.aspx#College_of_Physicians_and_Surgeons_of_Saskatchewan
http://www.cmdscanada.org
Input can be provided by anyone until March 6. Many Saskatchewan physicians hope that the province's patients speak up for their right to be treated by physicians who have their moral integrity intact. Why would you want to be in the care of doctors who are required to put you in harm's way, or risk losing their licenses?
Unelected judges have opened the doors the Netherlands and Belgium have long since opened and seen the abuses of.
People could already kill themselves if they wished.
How is it "dignified" to be offed by someone charged with saving one's life?
Who is someone to kill me for a hospital bed?
I thought the crystal was supposed to turn red at 30
for those who think they can go elsewhere to avoid any coming legislation I ask one question. where would you go??? the US is rapidly changing and health care there is going to be twice as expensive as it was once oobama care is finished screwing up their healthcare. the brits will be more than happy to let anyone die that may cost the government too much money. south America? cuba? how about north korea, I hear they really look after those who are ill and infirm. maybe the middle east, isis will definitely shorten any non muslim's life along with muslims, oh well. try a living will. in the event of an incurable illness you can restrict the treatment and refuse any extraordinary measures to keep you alive. birth and death, two things we have no choice in, if we are sane rational people.