"My Home Is My Castle"

3Here's the actual report in PDF: https://www.crcc-ccetp.gc.ca/pdf/highR-en.pdf

Any police force is only as good as the people they take their orders from. I do not trust the RCMP but I don't go out of my way to antagonize them either as a lot of the stupider libertarians and liberals will. Everyone knows their brass is hopelessly corrupt and incompetent - but that is their problem. If they make it my problem I will deal with it and they may not like the result. In fact, I guarantee they won't.

Far as I'm concerned they are just people doing a job and if they are going to take it as part of their job to relieve me of my rights and property without just cause - they are no longer cops and I will treat them accordingly.

I fail to see how the RCMP, on their own, can boot down doors and search a residence. Had they believed that unsafe storage of firearms was taking place, they should have presented the evidence to a court and got a warrant. Of course, they would have been laughed out of court.

The RCMP are the most useless form of humanity. They solve insignificant amounts of crime and are the biggest pricks on traffic detail. I grew up in a small town with now extinct municipal police and they solved almost every crime. The knew everybody and didn't treat them like shite. The town cops could tell the criminals from the good guys. To the RCMP, everyone is the enemy.

The RCMP does do their bit keeping the Indian population under control, shooting them with some regularity in Alberta.

The only thing that matters is WHO gave the order? That's it.

You guys need concealed carry just as we Americans do. Everyone I know carries including me. If you carry and have a permit the cops can't take your guns. The rifles go in your car when you leave a disaster area. The cops will find dog food in the house and they can stuff themselves with it all they want.

Oh, if one of your culturally enriching Muslims is trying to rape your daughter, concealad carry comes in very handy. My daughter carries.

Thank you Sun News and Brian Lilley for getting the word out about the police oppression of honest, peaceful law abiding gun owners -If you are the owner of a duck gun or deer hunting rifle, maybe a target gun or some .22 rifles to go plink at cans in a dump, you are used to the specter of goons tearing your home apart of to be greeted with a swat team if some malicious neighbor sees you loading your cased rifles in the car - this has been a reality for over 3 decades = harper has put some symbolic gestures forward but the police pogrom on law-abiding gun owners goes unabated - even as far as to thumb their noses at direct orders from parliament.

The High River RCMP break-in commission finding is welcome - but there needs to be consequences for cops (particularly up the command chain) who breech the constitutional limits of the law or routinely engage in abusive enforcement - without punishments meted out this oversight exercise was just theater.

Going forward the encroaching police state which threatens all our civil liberties (and safety) must be peeled back - a home should be sacrosanct again - castle law and self defense of the person and within the home need to be sacred legal ground once again - then we can tread our way back to a civil society from the authoritarian socialist dystopia police commissars have been leading us towards. What I witnessed in High River was nothing short of the kind of police work which is standard in 3rd world despotic back waters - NOT CANADA!

If the Sun News Network (and Brian Lilley in particular) have left one defining legacy it is that they have pulled us back from the brink of a police state. Thank you Brian.

That story would never have seen the light of day without Sun News. We will be screwed without them.

"My Home Is My Castle" Not in Canada.

Occam and minuteman, agreed. I am afraid that my respect level for the RCMP dropped a lot because of this travesty. It does appear that they are no longer on our side. Some need to pay for this.

Not having the time to read the report today, does it respond to the decision to relocate the local RCMP and send in the B&E squad?
The idea that local cops are sent out of town, so as to be blameless for orchestrated break and enter of residents dwellings has to mean planning by senior mounties was involved.
Did I misunderstand?

If the members made these decisions entirely on their own, then senior officers have no choice but to charge them.
We cannot use the excuse of not being aware of the law, even when these creatures invent new interpretations on the spot, so charge them..
Can citizens lay criminal charges on their own?
I have nowt but contempt for the foot dragging and attempts to evade scrutiny by all authority involved in this fiasco.
If charges could be successfully prosecuted against the members (identified in their own video) we would find out who ordered what pretty damn quick.
These characters would rat each other out in a heartbeat.
The conservatives have a major problem here, kick over this festering pile of political bureaucrats or own the coverup.

Somebody at a high level in the PC gov't had to okay this. Redford? Why won't the Prentice gov't launch an investigation?

The report doesn't address how the rcmp chose the houses they broke into. Why did they B&E houses that weren't in the flood zone? Why were they still knocking doors down weeks after the water receded?

I picked these comments in the hogwash document. I would guess that Corporal Franks played the key role and failure to document (note taking)is a serious omission.

"Chief Superintendent Harrison maintained that search team members who located firearms in a residence which appeared not to be safely stored acted of their own volition."

FINDING NO. 51: Note-taking by search teams lacked consistency and sufficient detail.

FINDING NO. 52: There were several instances in which note-taking by members not engaged in the original emergency response lacked sufficient detail.

FINDING NO. 32: RCMP supervisors failed to provide sufficient guidance to members involved in the seizure of firearms.

"the decision to use Corporal Franks as the original RCMP liaison with the EOC, and then leave her there once Sergeant Powers was on duty, was questionable."

FINDING NO. 49: Sergeant Powers, the Acting Detachment Commander of the High River Detachment, should have acted as the RCMP representative at the High River Emergency Operations Centre.

Good luck,

I think this is another BS story. I happen to be one Canadian (Conservative) who doesn't believe that the RCMP make it a habit of kicking doors down and seizing weapons for no apparent reason. Do remember that during a flood, people pilfer goods from homes, stores etc. even if they are not in the flood zone. Perhaps those goods posed a threat to someone's safety. Who knows?? I'd like to hear their (RCMP) side of that of the High River story, but not in a courtroom or under the stress of an inquiry. Tim Horton's sounds best. And one thing is for sure. After the meeting, in most Saskatchewan cities, I can walk home unarmed and unafraid. I am one Canadian who doesn't want to live like some of my friends in Baton Rouge, Louisiana who have to carry a gun in the truck to go and buy Coke and Tacos 300 yards from the house and out of fear of getting robbed.

The weapons were returned. And I still believe the Mounties are the best police force anywhere!

And while they disarm the public the crinimals still have guns becuase stupid laws and treaties dont effect them

what the RCMP did in High River was illegal, it does not matter who ordered it or said they could it, it was ILLEGAL.

Some may have missed Lilly's most important point. Sun could not find where anyone had given an order to proceed with this. Corporal Franks and some of the officers took the initiative and nobody stopped them. That is the most alarming part of this.
The ranks of the RCMP are drawn from across Canada and their attitudes are reflective of the attitudes of Canadians.
The default position for many Canadians is anti-American and that includes anti-gun.
Throw in plenty of sensitivity training as opposed to study about the law and you have a recipe for crap like this.

The rcmp are a poorly trained political police force. They are not well respected - even here at home. Just ask any city or municipal policeman what his opinion of the rcmp is.

The rcmp should get out of municipal policing (something they are lousy at anyway) and concentrate on federal police matters. Leave the speeding tickets and the B&E's to the local force.

Bottom line: The police represent 'institutional force' the weight of the government, it's laws and regulation juxtaposed against the 'rights' of the ordinary citizen.

There will be no retribution. As for the RCMP, they are tax collectors and no more. How and where are they protecting anyone? Last week I drove by a traffic cluster. 10. Cruisers with at least a dozen cops milling about turning the Yellowhead into a parking lot. Or 8 cruisers with a full compliment of tape measures and chalk and another dozen cops that stopped rush hour traffic for one lone SUV spun out in the meridian. One hour to travel 1/2 kilometer thanks to our finest.
Again no one will be suspended, fined, or disciplined. Jonathan Denis took an angry statement from a High River resident and sic'd the mounted on the town.

It's funny thing about alleged ''Right Wingers.'' (IE: Joey.)

You get on this website, use abusive text against those who were some of the first supporters of this site, and that makes you what?? (I won't go there.)

If there was 4 tonnes (8800 pounds) of ammo seized, obviously that wasn't intended for shooting gophers or coyotes. You don't know that some whacko wasn't planning to overthrow the government of Alberta?? The Mounties have their ways of dealing with ''insurgents.'' Trust me. As do the Texas Rangers and Scotland Yard.

After reading the comments on this page, I support the RCMP more than ever!

Walterf: RE: Comparing Assiniboia, Sk to Glasgow, Mt.

You can try that one on somebody else.

The RCMP must have had copies of the destroyed gun registry because they entered some houses 3 times before they found guns. they mostly went into houses with registered guns. on 1 crescent they kicked down every door except the two belonging to local RCMP. They kicked in doors that were not locked. They left HQ with a list of doors to kick down and targeted registered gun owners. no one has questioned how they new where guns might be located
Scott

"4 tons of ammo stolen and not returned.
Over $250 000 worth of goods seized and not returned."

"If there was 4 tonnes (8800 pounds) of ammo seized, obviously that wasn't intended for shooting gophers or coyotes. You don't know that some whacko wasn't planning to overthrow the government of Alberta??"

4 tons is 8000 pounds, but lets not quibble over a rounding error. This was spread out over hundreds of houses, Edmonton sun reporting 609 firearms taken from homes, never mind how many homes where the owners took their rifles with them but left behind the ammunition. This works out to an average of 13 or 14 pounds per firearm, assuming that ammunition was only taken from homes with firearms found. Ammunition is heavy, being composed largely of lead. Very quick research shows rifles running about 20 rounds per pound, pistols about 30, 22s around 125, and shotguns around 10. Yes that is well within the amounts for shooting gophers, coyotes, tin cans and being a really loud hole punch for paper, this is basically just scooping up all the locked ammo boxes people carry when they go out shooting. If anyone found a 4 ton ammo dump we would still be watching the press conference. At the time, the only whacks with plans to overthrow the government of Alberta were Alison Redford and her union friend insta-torys.

No need for the destroyed registry to do this, the list of PAL holders would do. Interesting to know how often that was checked during this time, and by whom.

I'll say it again. I don't believe that Mounties make it a habit of breaking down doors and seizing firearms unless there's a threat to public safety. And the biggest threat to public safety in this case would be idiots like ''Joey'' who accuse people of being bed wetters, mental cases or worst yet--coming out with drivel like: '' But keep this in mind.....it might disturb your sleep (I hope).....there are an awful lot of long gun owners out there and you don't know who. Who knows, your neighbors might be.''

So what are you suggesting and what does that tell me?? It tells me that people like ''Joey'' are to be feared, that's he's most likely not a sportsman or a hunter but a loose brain. The kind of person that the cops should maybe checking out from time to time. (Flood or no flood.)

It's not the long guns, the short guns or the pistols that I'm afraid of. I've owned many of them and still do. It's the bird brains that the trigger is connected to. Bird brains who want an American style nation where kids bring pistols to school because they're afraid of being killed on the way there or on the way home after school. Or worst yet, they won't go to nearest 7-11 after dark because they may get killed in one of a dozen armed holdups that take place every year. If that's what you want--go live there. Nothing is stopping you.

End of discussion.

"I've owned many of them and still do."

Suuuure you do.