They didn't start the fire: Jesus did.
"Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," Obama said. "In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ."
"Our religion" - Hmm, interesting
MT @markknoller: Obama "we are summoned to push back against those who would distort our religion..."
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That fool has no concept of CONTEXT. It is one thing to discuss such things in here or in a private conversation, it is a totally different issue for the leader of a nation to spout such things to further his agenda. The goof is a complete idiot.
Yes it has taken "Christianity" about 500 years to get to were it is today (rise of the middle class (( and MND), but the leader of the country should know when and were to discuss this. Just as Moochelle Cow should have known better than to parade around in a defiant manner at a state funeral. Those to are total stupid to state protocols.
"those two":-)))
spell chick is on strike!!!
Crusades? The idea was to retake Jerusalem from Islam . It wasn't a random lets go down and take over
I see. ISIS burns a guy alive in a cage on TV, Barry says “In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”
This is internet-troll level rhetoric.
We see goofs come on here all the time with "they all do it!!!" whenever some Liberal transgresses egregiously. Warnout Kantsellya talks a better line of patter than this. They burn a guy alive, and Barry comes up with Jim Crow? Are you f-ing kidding me?
I've changed my mind. There is no Grand Plan. They're just a pack of liberal retards who drank their own bong water, in -way- over their heads. Like, the continental shelf just dropped away beneath them kinda over their heads.
I wish I was Harvard educated. If I was I wouldn't know that the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition ended centuries ago or that it was Christians (chiefly Quakers and Mennonites) who started the abolitionist movement in New England and an evangelical Christian MP named Wilberforce who succeeded in having slavery abolished in the Empire. I also wouldn't know that Islam has been barbaric since it's inception and that their invasion of Jerusalem is what caused the Crusades. I would also not know that it was Democrats, not Republicans, who enacted Jim Crow laws.
Seriously, how is it that someone this ignorant of history has been elevated to a position where they can profoundly change the future?
Of course it is useless to explain to this historical wanker that the Crusades were a response to muslim butchery...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/16/artsandhumanities.internationaleducationnews
But according to Professor Agostino Borromeo, a historian of Catholicism at the Sapienza University in Rome and curator of the 783-page volume released yesterday, only 1% of the 125,000 people tried by church tribunals as suspected heretics in Spain were executed.
Other experts told journalists at the Vatican yesterday that many of the thousands of executions conventionally attributed to the church were in fact carried out by non-church tribunals.
Of course if you happened to be one of the 1%; you probably weren't having a great time of it.
While sad chapters in history, nevertheless it is a false equivalence by comparing Christianity with the most recent exercise in ISIS immolation.
The all time champion killers, far and away would be the atheist regimes:
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM
61,911,000 Victims: by Soviet Communism 1917 to 1987
76,702,000 Victims: by Peoples Republic of China (PRC 1928-1987)
20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
Then in ancient time there were the Mongols...
In revenge for an arrow from Nishapur's walls that killed Jinghiz Khan's son-in-law in 1221, when the city was finally captured the Mongol Tolui massacred its unarmed inhabitants.3 So this ancient capital of Khorassan in Persia was then a "scene of a carnival of blood scarcely surpassed even in Mongol annals. . . . Separate piles of heads of men, women, and children were built into pyramids; and even cats and dogs were killed in the streets."4 So an utterly fantastic 1,747,000 human beings reportedly were slaughtered, a number exceeding the contemporary population of Hawaii, Rhode Island, or New Hampshire; a number that is around a third of the total Jews murdered by Hitler.5 This possible world record massacre is only a fugitive datum, unrecorded in most histories. It is the magnificence of Jinghiz Khan, the court intrigues, the great Mongol conquests and their eventual threat to Europe that is drama. And while some other great massacres, such as those of the Crusaders, do get some attention, it is only as a small part of the larger doings of kings, dukes, and sultans. It is hard for Western historians to ignore, for example, the alleged 40,000 to possibly even over 70,000 men, women, and children that were butchered after the Christian Crusaders took Jerusalem in 1099.6 Yet I know of no study that focuses on this massacre by itself; or even a chapter in a book.
The Mongol khans and their successors and pretenders possibly slaughtered around 30,000,000 Persian, Arab, Hindu, Russian, Chinese, European, and other men, women, and children.28
Tamerlane (or Timur Lenk), a Turk who proclaimed himself restorer of the Mongol Empire,
razed Isfarã'in to the ground in A.D. 1381; built 2,000 prisoners into a living mound and then bricked them over at Sabsaw‹r in 1383; piled 5,000 human heads into minarets at Zirih in the same year; cast his Luri prisoners alive over precipices in 1386; massacred 70,000 people and piled the heads of the slain into minarets at Isfahan in 1387; . . . buried alive 4,000 Christian soldiers of the garrison of Sivas after their capitulation in 1400; and built twenty towers of skulls in Syria in 1400 and 1401.27
And we no we are not taking any history lessons from the "Obama-Nation™"
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group 'True North'
Scary stuff coming from the POTUS. Let's hope we don't end up with someone already showing himself to be equally ignorant on many fronts.
You respond to dumb comments from Obama with a passive aggressive smear of Catholicism? I don't know what is worse; Obama and his ilk or many of his saccharine critics and their ilk. I don't believe the "middle class" have been helped much by 500 years of reformation. The current state of family, government debt and society morals are Protestantisms many dilemmas.
Here are a couple links that debunk much of Obama's hate:
http://www.strangenotions.com/spanish-inquisition/
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/220747/crusade-propaganda/thomas-f-madden
Obama is 'an' anti-Christ. He is preparing the path to war.
Slavery was justified under the old testament you dumb f@#k. And the Old Testament aint Christian.
Yeah,Hans, BUT, a while back some people in Calgary threw some eggs at a mosque!
Probably rampaging Christians!
(btw:well done, good post, sir!)
Barry is used to saying such in private conversation amongst those who believe the same.
He can't seem to simply shut up while on the stage among those who know better.
Liberal rhetoric spouted constantly never knows when to shut up and sit down.
Ask the question, when was the last time Christian's made a video which showed a man caged like an animal and burned alive for Jesus?
"In our home country" Obama
That doesn't ring American. (as apposed to NOT our home country)
Is Obama visiting his relatives in Kenya and telling stories to the tribal circle around the fire-pit.
"people committed terrible deeds in the name of social justice"
There, fixed it.
Latest scholarship pegs death toll of the 350-year Spanish Inquisition at 3,000 to 5,000 -- which, if you count subsequent cancer etc deaths, is the number of people killed by Muslims on 9/11.
BBC doc video with historians here:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/history/the-myth-of-the-spanish-inquisition.html
This has been the mainstream concensus for at least 20 years.
However, it's important to remember that George W. Bush was the stupid one.
There is little I have to add to these outrageous statements. Obama is the most feckless, miserable excuse for a man that I have ever seen occupy the Oval Office. It is an outright tragedy that American society has degraded to such a degree that this charlatan was elected president not once but TWICE.
Really now, do you even believe the BULLSHIT you post, or do you just like to make noise in the ciber-sphere. The break away from the RC plus things like the advent of the printing press allowed know ledge to be available to a wider populace than previously. The middle class was enabled by greater knowledge and less suppression by the church and the "elites". Those also ushered in industrial and farming advances that allowed for eventual greater wealth and advances for the middle class. The whole damn thing is an excellent exercise in mathematical, modeling. As your "passive aggressive smear of Catholicism" crap, maybe next you are going to try and tell me that priest molesting young boys is just imaginary, and that the "cover-up" is just an atheist lie, as maybe witch burning is also. You really need to try and understand context from both a historical and a religious perspective. Lying about things puts you on about the same level as Obungles.
"...The current state of family, government debt and society morals are Protestantisms many dilemmas."
Don't know how you read something anti-Catholic and pro-protestant into 666's comment. I think he's just anti-religion, period.
Now, as for your comment, would the Mennonites represent the worst?
Yeah, he's a muslim. The Crusades were a totally justified counter-offensive, And fought with the mores of the time. We in the West and Christendom have advanced since then; the muslims haven't. I wonder why?
"Don't know how you read something anti-Catholic and pro-protestant into 666's comment. I think he's just anti-religion, period."
Oh, it's much simpler than that: he's just a crank who manages to lower the tone of any discussion on SDA with his dyspeptic nonsense.
"'Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,' Obama said. 'In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.'"
"Relativist stretching" at its finest.
Should Christians, in the name of Christ, reduce Mecca to glass?
One needed bother proving Obama (or NME 666, for that matter)wrong because we know he is a numbnuts. Just build the Keystone Pipeline without his approval, impeach his ugly mug and ban Michelle from any pastry store in the lower forty-eight.
THAT will rub him the wrong way.
There is no Christian equivalent for the following:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/28014130/Moslem-Conquest-of-India-by-Will-Durant#scribd
The Mohammedan Conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precarious thing, whose delicate complex of order and liberty, culture and peace may at any time be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.
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Each winter Mahmud descended into India,filled his treasure chest with spoils, and amused his men with full freedom to pillage and kill; each spring he returned to his capital richer than before. At Mathura (on the Jumna) he took from the temple its statues of gold encrusted with precious stones, and emptied its coffers of a vast quantity of gold,silver and jewelry; he expressed his admiration for the architecture of the great shrine, judged that its duplication would cost one hundred million dinars and the labor of two hundred years, and then ordered it to be soaked with naphtha and burnt to the ground.
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Sometimes he spared the population of the ravaged cities, and took them home to be sold as slaves; but so great was the number of such captives that after some years no one could be found to offer more than a few shillings for a slave. Before every important engagement Mahmud knelt in prayer, and asked the blessing of God upon his arms. He reigned for a third of a century; and when he died, full of years and honors, Moslem historians ranked him as the greatest monarch of his time, and one of the greatest sovereigns of any age.
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He killed so many Hindus that, in the words of a Moslem historian, "there was constantly in front of his royal pavilion and his Civil Court a mound of dead bodies and a heap of corpses, while the sweepers and executioners were wearied out by their work of dragging" the victims"and putting them to death in crowds."
Of course Holy Mother Church did not burn heretics, or execute them in any other way. Anyone who claims she did speaks LIES and SLANDER!
Having found them guilty, The Church simply turned them over to the civil authorities, who were more than happy to perform the deed themselvesin order to enhance their own power.
This process was known as "Rendition".
Well, sorta.
When Sadam arrived in hell he met with some of his own kind like KOMEHNI,SALADIN,ARAFAT and others
I felt obliged, so ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAn7baRbhx4
That is very good point. I do not think I have ever heard an American use that expression -- and I have had close association with LOTS of Americans, many relatives. It is an unusual expression.
A poster at Breitbart, Koolaid, posted the following:
More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.
More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.
Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.
19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.
The crusades happened 1000 years ago.
Leave it to a Progressive to equate Christianity with Islam
Exactly. Islam is the johnny-come-lately in the Middle East. There was no Islam until 630 or so. It then spread rapidly, by force of arms. Included in the victory was Persia, an ancient and strong kingdom. The Persians suffered quite extensively from the Arab invaders. If Obama were at all consistent, or if he knew anything, he would acknowledge that. The Crusades were an attempt to get Christian domains back from the infidel.
Oh yes - the Crusades - Palaestinalied: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQTR0D6QCSw
Well if the Zero says so.
sensible people would do the opposite, saddle up the high horse, reign doom upon the murderous maniacs.
Death they worship, Death they desire.
What better death than crucifixion? Especially for members of this jihad, the great death cult.
The new crusades; crucify the mongrels and bury them in wet pigskin.
The worst you have to fear from enraged militant Christians is that the Westboro clowns will picket you with rude placards.
Apparently, this is as bad any of the anti-social behavior committed in the name of Islam in the past decade or so.
Obama’s statement about the barbaric murder by ISIS of the Jordanian pilot. Obama took the occasion to warn Americans not to “get on our high horse and think [what ISIS did] is unique to some other place.”
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Ah, Yes,
'The Brown Drone Man' needs to lecture us severely about the murders our country has committed over the last 200 years.
Then he goes into his secret office and orders a drone strike on 68 men, women and children at a marriage reception.
Makes him feel so much better..
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I think this bastard is finally starting to come unglued..
oobama's level of ignorance is freaking astounding. there is no need to go into why. anyone with even a tiny brain knows what the crusades were all about.
'People committed evil deeds in the Name of Christ.'
Obambi's moral equivalence from a few hundred years ago would ring a little truer of he ever said,"Terrorists are committing evil deeds in the name of Mohammed."
That will never happen. Not from a failed president who attended a so called Christian church whose wacko preacher 'God damned' the US. Not from the first first Islamic president or Islamic sympathizer at best.
Man on a higher Horse:
Barack Obama speech to those assembled at the National Prayer Breakfast yesterday represents the nadir of his presidency. (The White House has posted the text of the speech.)
John and Paul have provided devastating assessments of Obama’s speech here and here, respectively. I can’t improve on them. I want only to add this note.
We see events spinning out of control in the Middle East. We see our efforts in Iraq thrown away by this president. We see the slaughter in Syria. We see the rise of the Islamic State. We see the flourishing of al Qaeda. We see mad mullahs of Iran on the march. We see Obama facilitating the mullahs’ efforts and enhancing their power. He seems not to care or to understand that they have never given up the fight against the United States since their ascension to power in 1979. We see the president and his subordinates going to ludicrous extremes to avoid mention of the devil that drives our enemies. We see that the president has become a laughingstock and an object of contempt around the world.
And yet we see him talking down to us with the arrogance and condescension that have become his trademarks. Unto him is vouchsafed a vision and he is its messenger. He is the prophet and object of his own religion.
It is jarring to hear him talk of “Christ” as though he believes in a power higher than himself. But then he speaks only of “Christ” to humble Christians. He speaks of “Christ” to tout “Obama” or, as he calls it, his own “faith journey.”
Obama’s “faith journey” results in a warning to us not to “get on our high horse.” The high horse is reserved for Obama. Obama’s doctrine places himself above us. It is the vantage from which he looks down on us and lectures us and hectors us. He is the prophet of his worship of himself. Obama is not the man on a white horse; Obama is preeminently the man on a high horse.
Communists ahve commited mass murder in the name of Karl Marx and his evil philosephies
Yes, and the church the Obamas attended for 20 years gave an award to Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam.
Somebody asked me the other day if I hate Obama.
I replied: No, Jesus taught us that we must love our enemies.