E-cigarettes save lives

I think you're forgetting something. It is in the interest of the government for habitual users of tobacco to continue paying the extortionate levels of taxation.

"E-Cigs were the tool that allowed me to stop, completely, without any major cravings."

Someones missing the point, they love it when you suffer.

And herein lies one of the strongest arguments against the nanny state. From the link:
One reason is that governments have become addicted to tobacco excise tax and may fear that, as e-cigs take off, they will lose a valuable source of revenue.

This taxation was justified by claiming that smokers would quit. Now, the govt is faced with a choice of : 1) have a population which smokes less, and lose your cig revenue, or 2) keep the population smoking, and keep your revenue.

How do we encourage the nanny state to kick its own habit? i.e. revenue addiction disease. That is the real dilemma.

You have stopped smoking cigarettes, but you are still dependent on the vaping. Do you anticipate a time when you will give it up too, or have you simply replaced one habit for another?

I just purchased a vape over a week ago.

With the taxation levels on smokes, the math finally sunk in.

It's working out ok so far.

I can see the evil bogeyman being touted by the revenue addicted governments. ...

just quitting without "replacing" must be a bad idea for some, whether cigs or booze!

I agree Lance. My son quit cigarettes in mid December and bought a vape. He says his breathing has already improved, the gurgling in his lungs has disappeared and he has more energy. He bought me one as a gift about ten days ago. My smoking has also stopped.
I tried the patch but it really didn't help.
He also estimates the cost for vaping averages about a buck a day compared with about 11 a day for cigarettes.

I know a large number of people (about 10 relatives and several friends) who gave up long term smoking after ONE - PRECISELY ONE - session with a certified clinical hypnotist (at least three such hypnotists). Not ONE of them had any withdrawal symptoms; and they ALL stop right after one session. And, not one of them have started to smoke again.

I find it funny how the gov hates both Cig and now Vap. Yet they can't wait for you to buy Pot.

Any type of smoke in not good for your lungs.

Saw a couple of young teenagers (maybe 13 to 14 years old) outside my daughter's school yesterday all using e-cigarettes and all behaving as if they were really very cool people.

Lance is obviously in a much better position than he was before moving to e-cigs, but those kids I saw are in a worse position (assuming they did not smoke before, which I am guessing is the case).

In the end, whether it's cigs or e-cigs, encouraging nicotine addiction has surely got to be one of the dumber things man has done.

Congrats on kicking the cigs, Lance.

I am also curious about you just switching one habit for the other. I quit cold-turkey about 20 years ago, but for me there were no "withdrawal symptoms", it was completely the physical act I was addicted to. Still tough to break though.

I hate bureaucracy, probably more than most, but still believe we should be very careful about how this emerging industry is handled. I have no prob being in the same room with someone exhaling "steam", I can only smell it if they blow it in my face. Where I do have a concern is all the juices that are, and will be available. Apart from being appealing to kids, they still inject god-knows-what assortment of chemicals into the lungs, not a natural act for the human body.

Best of luck on the rest of your journey.

Not just excise taxes but also the tobacco suit settlement skim they get from tobacco profits. The tobacco companies can sell their process product to vape producers and skip the next payments to the govt. This is their salvation from being serfs to the govt regulators and lawyers.

It's the government that doesn't want you to quit.

You want to ban vaping of flavored glycerol for under 18s too? Not everyone uses nicotine in their vaporizers.
I am in favor of banning under 18 when we ban caffeine for under 18 years of age too. No coke, no pepsi, no chocolate.
You want to ban just because. There is no science, no reason other than as an offering to the non smoking crusaders. Let parents make that determination.
Don't give an inch to the nanny staters. Smoking is a horrible, killing addiction. Nicotine inhaled in a vaporizer is not.

Stopped smoking in April 2014. Vaping is now used when a big urge presents itself. Financially the vaping is costing less than a buck a day compared to $15.00 per day for cig's. Health wise, no more luggies, shortness of breath and other health related issues. I vote no banning of vaporizer units. They work plain and simple.

Big Tobacco should not be working to help people quit smoking, they should be working to get more people smoking. Anything else is criminal negligence against the shareholders.

The authorities and vested interests - regardless of their motivation - will lose the fight against vaping. It's the same as prohibition.

And I favour their use for teens. Imagine a female who vapes to be cool and to suppress their appetite. And then they might want to start vaping again after a prenancy for the same reason. What is the average life expectancy and health future for that female compared to one who puts on weight in her teenage years and then puts on and retains weight post Partum? I would wager that the vaper lives the better and lonkger life.

Vaping is not just for current smokers. It a health and wellness tool for those who might otherwise smoke.

Stopped smoking back in September... Vaping was the reason I was able to quit, period! I had tried to quit smoking in the past, but was unable to quit for good. Since I started vaping I don't even think about smoking even when having a beer, or two. I started at 18 mgs of nicotine, then 12 then 8 now I'm at 4mgs of nicotine. I would highly recommend vaping for anyone wanting to kick the habit of tobacco... vaping works, it is a breakthrough and thats why big Government thieves hate it.

_ cigs cheat the 3 largest client industries of klepto socialism - A big phama B) Big Medicine and C) Government tobacco monopolies

There is no profit for these commie welfare clients in an unhooked , disease free populace - plus there is no "sin" tax to be extracted from harmless "vaping"

You must not cheat leviathan of the taxes it extracts from its victims

Lance Baby sweet heart.

This is a solution to a REAL problem....that's why the libs are against it.

They cant have people quitting smoking think of the tax revenue they would mis out on if half of the smoking population in Canada quit.

This is where the libs will speak about how they support more laws rules and taxes for big tobacco, but also ban e-cigarette/vaping because they need the money train to flow.

Here is my summation of liberals/the left ect ect.

We hate smoking and tobacco so much so that we are going to tax it and create a huge bureaucracy to manage it.

Then In the same breathe to seem all smug n stuff and sci-ency they will Ban vaping and e-cigarettes in the name of science (because the science isn't settled in stuff but only when it goes against their ideas) despite them actually having huge impacts on helping people actually quit smoking in large numbers in order to keep the taxes rolling in off of tobacco products so they don't really care about science,or facts, or our health in general unless it involves increasing government control and taxes.

or to shorten it.

liberals,communists,marxists,and socialists operate as following:

If it moves,tax it, if it still moves, regulate it, if it stops moving subsidize it.

Isn't it funny that ignorance of any particular subject gives the most ignorant a say, in any government policy? Ha-ha.

The industry should really take tyhe word cigs out of it - small brains can't handle it.

BTW: Small brains - I can go into a drug store and buy a vaporizer (doesn't show vapor) and I can blow (the alleged) nicotine in your face because Big Pharma sells it. KIDS CAN STEAL IT - fr'ing morons.

They should ban Popeye candy cigs ... oh wait ... they already have ... because sooo many teenagers started smoking because ... of like ... candies.

Addicts think differently than non-addicts.

The true problem is that electronic cigarettes have been reported to increase the rate of teen smoking, paradoxically. Apparently, teens are more likely to try the e-cigs and then many more become addicted to the nicotine, and end up switching to the deadly tobacco cigs. That is the reality on the ground. BTW, Since when does a gov't not find a way to replace revenues?

That is not what the data says, Mike.

No one has gathered numbers on kids who smoke and started out with e-cigs.

All of the studies use hypotheticals and questionable correlations to link ecigs to smoking.

The March, '14 US study grouped youths into tried smoking, smoking, tried ecigs, use ecigs. There was no correlation, and the author of the study admits that, while stating it's her 'personal opinion' that e-cigs are a gateway. Naturally the news reported the opinion rather than the conclusion.

The UK study released in December says, "The authors themselves note this, pointing out the inability of the research to establish cause and effect: “while findings are consistent with a hypothesis that e-cigarette use increases children’s intention to smoke, it is possible that intention to smoke drives e-cigarette use rather than the other way around.”"

No one, and I mean _no one_ has asked young smokers if they started with a cigarette or an e-cig, and second to that as the paragraph above states, it is impossible to access if an individual will gravitate to a nicotine addiction regardless of vector.

To say I question the current research is an understatement because if your goal is to study e-cigarette as a gateway, one would assume you would ask that, no? If not, then a reasonable person should question whether the goal wasn't necessarily as stated.