A New Death Dawns

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Well, yay for us.

Demonstrating yet again, that our judges believe Parliament to be largely decorative.


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It looks like the Supremes also think grandparents will make fine Canadian citizens and not be a drain on services that they've never paid into:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/02/06/immigration-program-for-parents-discriminatory-federal-court-of-appeal-rules.html

Oops. Wrong court but same diff.

This is really great news for a lot of terminally ill people.

Parliament passed the Charter, giving judges the power to strike down law that are unconstitutional. Parliament has an override in the notwithstanding clause. Perhaps our Conservative-led Parliament could start legislating on controversial issues instead of dumping them on the courts then crying about "judicial activism".

And these same judges can halt the construction of a roadway becuase of some bug or lizard might get squished

Good decision. I look forward to seeing the new law. I'm a baby boomer who watched my mum (who was always "with it") starve herself to death after 2 years in a nursing home. Towards the end, I asked her if she wished she could go to sleep and not wake up and she said yes. A year later, I gave my beloved dog what I could not do for my mum - a compassionate death at home with my arms around her.

Progressing to the grave with the 'progressives'; what they can't achieve at the ballot box they will impose with court rulings.

Soon it will be like the Netherlands and Belgium, who in principle have accepted that there are 'lives that are not worth living'. If they think it will end with 'strict control measures' I can only laugh at the naivete.

Aktion T4 coming soon to 'care homes and hospitals' near you.

Make no mistake, this isn't about some vague notion of 'liberty', this is all about saving 'precious tax dollars' in the healthcare system.


Cheers


Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group 'True North'

It is clear that the politicians are only a decorative pieces for the purpose of pretend democracy. They entirely abdicated the responsibility to make laws.

They let a few unelected largely useless people to dictate to the country how things should be done.

“Court gives feds, provinces 1 yr to write new law to respond to suicide ruling. If new law not written, current one will be struck down.”

Really? Who do these people think they are?
Will they decide next that everybody should wear brown shoes? And if they refuse they go to jail, just because.
Really.


Is that what the constitution sez?

Yah the Canadian constitution is one garbled, convoluted document written by the bottomfeeders for future considerations. As for example to make millions and billions of dollars to argue what the constitution actually sez.

It all will depend on which way the wind blows. Or what the last year’s snow means.

It says here in Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through him who strengthens me.

Forget all that.
The wise Omnipotent Supremes have spoken.
Just lie down here and the doctor will be with you shortly.


Interestingly, the same activists who have been pushing this, are the same crew who bemoan the death by suicide when the person uses a firearm. Further they use these incidents to demand more gun control.

A bit off topic...

Here in sunny Arizona, helmets are not required to be worn by bikers. This is so funny...

The other day a couple was on their Harley without helmets...and, yet, she was wearing leg leathers. She will be brain dead in a home, but her legs will look great! Maybe you had to be there. It was funny. ☺

Tough, tough issue.

Now parliament needs to write new legislation with the ruling in mind. And it should be a private members bill and un-whipped. (which is what should be done regarding abortion)

That is how it should work...

Now that it is legal, it opens up a whole range of creative ways to have oneself killed - shot out of a cannon; massive heroin injection; riding a bike without a helmet - all kinds of crazy things - just an extension of one's wishes as to what do with one's remains - scattering ashes, etc.

I can just imagine all the lawsuits now. "Doctor killed grandpa! He didn't really want to go!"

I don't like Doctor Assisted Suicide, because I don't think for a minute there is enough checks and balances to stop the doctor from pulling the plug or administering fatal dose of medication to someone they don't like or don't want to treat or someone they think is better off dead.

I don't want them to hide behind some stupid law that lets them get away with murder. Because its a lot easier to claim consent after the patient is dead.

Hey, how about a firing squad at your local shooters range.

Quick, inexpensive, merciful, unlike the ISIS immolation advocates, and helps gun owners with target practice.

And of course some good hearted profiteers will turn 'offing the willing' into a 'community service'. Assassins could actually turn an honest dollar!

People will be scouring the "Darwin Award" winners for new and creative ways to 'assist' dispatching your loved ones.

They did a movie about that some years ago, you know 'Throw Momma from the Train'; compassionately of course... /sarc

On life and death issues, you knew that the Supreme Court was a 'lost cause'...


Cheers


Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group 'True North'

On the bright side, this is one way to bring Snowbirds back home.

I agree with you entirely, Gord. This is one that Parliament either picks up or allows the provinces to create up to 10 different regimes across the country. And it can't simply sit in limbo the way abortion has for the past three decades.

Hogan, you're entirely correct as well. Politicians have to start taking responsibility for issues rather than just blaming judicial activism.

The "natural" right to your own life means you have the "natural" Right to end it despite what passes for law or a constitution in the deranged Dominion. Having long ago outsourced the adult responsibility of health care to the state, Canadians have already ceded to systemic suicide through institutional rationing. "Doctor assisted suicide" has been commonly practiced ever since doctors were empathetic and skilled enough to mercifully end terminal pain and suffering usually with the consent of the patient or close relatives. Morphine is more important than the SCOC for this.

There will always be at least 2 opinions on any 1 subject.

This shouldn't surprise us though.

If the Supremes don't have a problem with the killing of unborn children who have no decision in the process, this is an even easier conclusion to come to and decide upon.

The slippery slope has become the slippery cliff.

The first step towards " we don't find you useful anymore so we will kill you and call it mercy".
any so called doctor committing this crime needs to hang.

And if parliament can come to a consensus, like the abortion issue, what will unregulated assisted suicide look like? And could I plead to practicing medicine without a licence when charged with murder?

It's more complicated than that. Are we not more than mere animals? Your dog, no matter how beloved, was not a human being. Ending a fellow human's suffering by simply killing them is not the same as killing your dog.

No doubt you're going to get your wish. What else will we do with the huge number of baby boomers like yourself who are approaching their feeble old age, except to kill them (with their approval of course) when the time is right?

Consider the history of abortion, also legalized for compassionate reasons. It was intended for the relatively few cases where the life or health of the mother was at risk. Over 60 million have now been legally aborted in the US and Canada, sometimes just because a baby would be inconvenient. Well over a billion have been killed worldwide in this manner, possibly closer to 2 billion. We can't predict the future, but why would it end any better once we have begun killing the (useless) suffering old people?

We trust, Eric, that you are being facetious? It would seem now that we must apologize to such monsters as Latimer and the mother of Katie Lynn Baker!

I've always been intrigued by this notion that suicide should be physician-assisted. At no point in medical school or since was I or any of my colleagues taught how to kill someone. I learned that in the armed forces. If someone wants to commit suicide, then by all means commit suicide. It's virtually impossible to prevent someone who is truly commited from doing so. The methods available to physicians to kill someone are among the least reliable out there. IVs go interstitial; drug dosing in the terminally ill is often uncertain at best; cardio-respiratory function can be incredibly resilient, and the absence of awareness cannot be guaranteed.
If the supremes are serious about people being allowed to commit suicide at will, they should permit access to firearms so that those who are serious about killing themselves can put the loaded gun to their head and pull the trigger. Anything else is trying to put lipstick on a pig. Physicians involved in actively killing people must join the "Doctors of Infamy" and be judged accordingly.

And Lev,exactly. Dr. Mengele would be proud of this SCOC decision.

The naive believe that assisted murder will be closely monitored. Sure, just like the Netherlands and other countries where families have discovered that the Dr. Mengeles have wacked their family members without their knowledge.

On the Weekend Update segment of a Saturday Night Live episode, Norm MacDonald commented on Dr. Kevorkian's decision to obtain a handgun license (for self-defensive purposes) saying "Alright, now he's just getting lazy."

(From Armeniapedia)

Its a good way to reduce heath care costs.

In a private system you get paid for service provided. In the public delivery of health care the region gets paid first and they decide how to spend it.

Its a way to help maintain a bureaucratic empire if those requiring service are simply eliminated.

Sarah Palin seems to be correct in her "death panels" scenario.

To say that Latimer was a monster is a gross simplification of an extremely complicated case.

Alternate title: T4 Euthanasia Program

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/714411/T4-Program

T4 Program, also called T4 Euthanasia Program, Nazi German effort—framed as a euthanasia program—to kill incurably ill, physically or mentally disabled, emotionally distraught, and elderly people. Adolf Hitler initiated this program in 1939, and, while it was officially discontinued in 1941, killings continued covertly until the military defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945.

In October 1939, Adolf Hitler empowered his personal physician and the chief of the Chancellery of the Führer to kill people considered unsuited to live. He backdated his order to September 1, 1939, the day World War II began, to give it the appearance of a wartime measure. In this directive, Dr. Karl Brandt and Chancellery chief Philipp Bouhler were “charged with responsibility for expanding the authority of physicians…so that patients considered incurable, according to the best available human judgment of their state of health, can be granted a mercy killing.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Brandt

Yes, we remember; but obviously we haven't advanced at all.

In the period, 1946-48 this stuff would earn you a hanging; now it's advocated as a 'treasury relief program' saving healthcare dollars.

http://rt.com/news/belgium-king-sign-euthanasia-bill-566/

The legislation, which grants children the right to request euthanasia if they are “in great pain” and there is no available treatment, makes Belgium the first country in the world where the age of the child is not taken into consideration. Similar legislation exists in the Netherlands, though only for children over the age of 12. In both countries, children are required to receive the consent of parents, doctors and psychiatrists.

And if you think this won't arrive on Canada's fair shores...


Cheers


Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group 'True North'

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"drd says... they should permit access to firearms so that those who are serious about killing themselves can put the loaded gun to their head and pull the trigger."

permit my ass. you can still decide whether or not to own a firearm. mind you, there are a few legal hoops to jump through, but even if parliament outlawed guns completely (and with justin pspawn as librano leader, that's a possibility), you will always be able to go down to the hood and get something.

failing that, there's always a length of garden hose taped to your car exhaust, or saving up pills from those "migraines".

anyone who has watched a beloved family member, human or not, suffer a prolonged agonising death has thought about the mercies of euthanasia. in canada, the supremes have ordered the government to make heroin available for british columbia junkies... but not for terminally ill cancer patients. they've said it's legal to kill a fetus... but not paul bernardo or russell williams. and you're gonna accept anything they say on any subject?

and it's not just about pain. try watching a lung cancer patient drowning in their own secretions and then tell me about a merciful god.

after suffering a near fatal motorcycle accident last summer i made sure my wife knew my wishes regarding dnr.

death with dignity is no small matter. governments and judges should allow persons in terrible agonies (and next of kin) the leeway to decide this incredibly important matter on their own.

and stop whining about people being lined up and exterminated. if we can't separate murder from mercy then there is no hope whatsoever for the human race and we all deserve whatever comes.

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just one other thing...

"ken kulak says... families have discovered that the Dr. Mengeles have wacked their family members without their knowledge."

families have discovered, huh? so, there's an outrageous, unstoppable tide of crazed nazi doctors murdering people in, of all places, the netherlands since euthanasia legislation came in?

surely that deserves further discussion here. you have sources i presume?

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Yes, it has arrived...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-03-26/child-euthanasia-law-in-belgium-first-to-end-age-limits

March 27 (Bloomberg) -- Stefaan van Gool has treated brain tumors in children for almost 20 years. None of his young patients has asked for help to die. The Belgian doctor is now bracing for that possibility under a controversial law that’s the first to end age limits for the young.

“It was one of those take-your-breath-away moral moments,” Arthur Caplan, who heads the division of medical ethics at New York University’s Langone Medical Center, said in a telephone interview. “When you’re under 16, most parents don’t let children decide what to watch on television.”

Van Gool, the clinical head of pediatric neuro-oncology at University Hospital Leuven and a father of four, says the new law is “very, very dangerous.” He was one of about 200 pediatricians who signed a petition opposing it. Doctors have medical solutions to relieve the pain of terminally ill children, he says.

In short, they've already crossed the river Styx...

Cheers


Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group 'True North'

B.C. - Latimer gassed his daughter in the cab or his truck - yes the case is complicated, for instance few are aware that Latimer had been charged with rape, but got off because of a screw-up by one of our be-knighted judges. He hated his wife, and he hated his daughter and the life they represented to him. Latimer was, and is, about Latimer. Complicated? Or complicit with evil? The very name makes my skin crawl!

"try watching a lung cancer patient drowning in their own secretions and then tell me about a merciful god."

My wife passed away with lung cancer and she went quietly and without pain.

"if we can't separate murder from mercy then there is no hope whatsoever for the human race and we all deserve whatever comes."

We can't separate it now. We murder our innocent unborn and most don't give a damn.

if we can't separate murder from mercy then there is no hope whatsoever for the human race...

You're pinning your hopes on the human race, which is a losing proposition. The only ultimate hope we have is God. If God did not exist there would be no hope beyond this brief and often painful existence.

The supremes seem to think that every passing fad must be made a right.

We might as well just graduate all doctors as veterinarians now...

People who don't wear full face helmets on a motorbike are nuts. People who argue for bicyclists to wear helmets are nuts and the same arguments can be used for pedestrians. The stats don't warrant it.

It's a question of velocity.

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"gregw says... The only ultimate hope we have is God."

say, isn't that what all those dudes from isis say? seems god says it's okay to put a guy in a cage and set him on fire. crucifictions, stoning... throwing homosexuals off high buildings... all god's will.

volcanoes, tsunamis, plagues and war... apparently el supremo has a twisted sense of humour.

i choose to live a moral productive life because i believe it's the right thing to do... not because i get rewarded in heaven or punished in hell. and if i'm being eaten alive by bone cancer... at some point, i'm gonna get my varmint rifle and take one last walk in the woods.

hope is cheap... knock yourself out.

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postscript: "gregw says You're pinning your hopes on the human race, which is a losing proposition."

it's the only race we've got, greg.

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Always wondered about this......why is it "humane" in this instance, but "cruel and unusual punishment" if you believe that a serial murderer should be subject to execution?

Why don't you look for them, neo?

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Joey asks... Why don't you look for them, neo?"

non sequitor much?

look for "them" who, joey?

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What ever happened to the "will do no harm" part of the Hippocratic oath?

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"doug says... My wife passed away with lung cancer and she went quietly and without pain."

my mother-in-law most emphatically didn't. at one point she begged her husband to give her a fatal dose of morphine. imagine being put in that position.

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The human race is too stupid to be given that kind of power over life and death. It's proven every year by our abortion stats.

say, isn't that what all those dudes from isis say? seems god says it's okay to put a guy in a cage and set him on fire.

You're an atheist. Haven't atheists murdered millions when they had the power to do so? You know they have. So are you a murderer like your fellow atheists, Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Ceaușescu, and Pol Pot? If you aren't, why blame the Christian God for what Muslims do?

Islam is a counterfeit of Christianity, begun around 600AD by Mohammed, a violent maniac who borrowed liberally from the Bible, (but it didn't do him any good). He resembles the mass murderers listed above more than he does the Christians.

I was moved by your statement. I hugged my dog of 17 years at his demise. He had lost his bowel control.
Now at 83 years of age, I am waiting for urology surgery. The overworked Doctor will have me in two weeks. I am taking pain killers and have been in pain. I hang on for my wife's sake.
Were I to be told that this pain nagging at me, was ongoing-I would be out of my mind. I am told no pain and no problem when the surgery is done.
Sometimes there is no right and no wrong about a matter.

"Parliament has an override in the notwithstanding clause."

This thought occurred to me earlier today when thinking about the NWC; was it not the Liberals and their allies who effectively demonized the clause, such that no government in Canada has dared to use it (except Quebec in restricting English language rights)?

Typical Liberal bait-and-switch if so. The clause was added to get the provinces to sign onto Trudeau's constitution, but then was made so politically toxic that it could never actually be used.

Damn that man's hide. Again.

yes yes yes, bible-bangers unite, we should put ourselfs in the hands of God, the fool that ****created**** this whole mess in the first place. If he'd done things right we'd all live our lives to eternity upon the face of the earth


Kriste this discussion sure separates the wheat from the chaff. I used to think there was at least a marginal difference between god believers and AGW believers, but my opinion is sure a changin on that one

neo, you put things in proper perspective, but the bible bangers will never listen.

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