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This muslim think will blow over after a couple of days and everyone will be back to stuffing poutine down their gullets and being rude to tourists. It’s France … who cares …. Surrender Monkeys … don’t forget that.
Of course they are afraid that the next response from the French public might be:
http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/army/p/martel.htm
Je suis Charles Martel!
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group ‘True North’
Time to register pencils…
This is a big nothing – I might believe their words if ALL of the MSM immediately published the Mohammed cartoons intact (with no blurring) and all ‘journalists’ sign a document fully supporting that Islam should and must be criticized in the same vein as Christianity or Judaism (for good measure Mohammed in a jar of piss might be a good start to fully demonstrate their commitment to free speech).
But I will not hold my breath for too long because it is not going to happen. CBC is already backsliding and suggesting that maybe the magazine took their message too much over the bounds of good taste or something silly – hard to tell with CBC.
And journalism schools could weigh in with maybe inviting some speakers such as Steyn to address the masses of emerging journalists.
They don’t have the balls Kate. The whole “Je Suis Charlie” was contrived so the MSM wouldn’t have to publish the mohammed cartoons, but yet show some support.
Three mohammed cartoons need to be added to the black band on either side of “Je Suis Charlie” in order to carry any weight and truly support those killed at Charlie Hebdo, and freedon on expression. Wished I was tech savvy enough to change it.
Still have my copy of the cartoon filled Western Standard.
Jesus Charlie
What were you thinking?
More disturbing than the MSM’s decison to live on their knees rather than to stand for free speech is the ease with which they have made that choice. Yesterday was a watershed moment for journalists and, to no one’s surprise, they failed. As much as a despise them for their decision it actually works in my favour considering that I despise the industry and so if they can advance the steady decline of their credibility and relevance then that’s fine by me. I won’t stand in their way.
#jesuischarlie is a lot like michelle obama’s #bringbackourgirls
doesn’t do a damn thing.
Actually yesterday I said to a few colleagues that all this piss and blunder will end up as is a clever hashtag. Got the hashtag – clever? Not so much.
Needless to say they were just shocked at my comment.
So to the usial brain-dead libyou can stop gun crime by sticking pencils in the barrels Only proves liberals brains have shrunk their their strict vegan diets and all the dope and booze as well
A couple more incidents like this in France there could actually be a civil war. 10% of their population is muslim
The National Post at least has the cojones to run a band of Charlie Hebdo covers including the Mohammed ones. I wouldn’t expect much from the CBC or the Mop and Pail since, in their heart of hearts, they support the killers.
0____ (Mo sunbathing in profile — sorry, best I can manage)
In related news:
–A new study shows that the number of immigrants in the United States jumped 3 percent in three years — to a record 41.3 million in 2013 — and that the nearly 300,000 who came from Muslim countries pose a major national security threat, the report’s co-author told Newsmax on Thursday.
“All of that does raise national security concerns, and I don’t think there has been any consideration of that,” said Steven Camarota, research director for the Center for Immigration Studies.–
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Muslim-immigrants-security-threat/2014/09/24/id/596742/
All I can say after watching the MSM’s response is we are all god*mn lucky Muslims aren’t offended by images of pens and pencils.
The msm STILL DOESN’T GET IT!
The youth protesting the Islamization of France, Group Identitaire do identify with
the hero Charles “the Hammer” Martel, who saved France from being conquered by Islamist jihadis in 732. That defeat saved Europe.
“The Saracens crossed the mountains to claim Ardo’s Septimania, only to encounter the Basque dynasty of Aquitania, always the allies of the Goths. Odo the Great of Aquitania was at first victorious at the Battle of Toulouse in 721.[26] Saracen troops gradually massed in Septimania and in 732 an army under Emir Abd al-Rahman abd Allah al-Ghafiqi advanced into Vasconia, and Odo was defeated at the Battle of the River Garonne. They took Bordeaux and were advancing toward Tours when Odo, powerless to stop them, appealed to his arch-enemy, Charles Martel, mayor of the Franks. In one of the first of the lightning marches for which the Carolingian kings became famous, Charles and his army appeared in the path of the Saracens between Tours and Poitiers, and in the Battle of Tours decisively defeated and killed al-Ghafiqi. The Moors would come back twice more, only to suffer defeat at Charles’ hands twice more – at the River Berre near Narbonne in 737[27] and a second time in the Dauphine in 740.”[28 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne
“Vive, Charles Martel!”
Super pencils aren’t going to do it. The lib/socialist in France and Europe will expect everyone else to do the fighting, then they will just surrender at a critical time. They talk big but run at the first physical opposition. All blow and no go. Same as the libs in the US. The difference between the conservatives and lib/socialists in the US and Canada is the conservatives will fight when necessary and for their beliefs. They will even fight for the libs. However, the libs talk big but will only talk when the other guys are unarmed and cant hurt them. Notice the indignation when the libs miscalculate and they get hurt.
CBC has just trotted out a spokesthingy, head of journalistic standards to explain in a sanctimonious tone why they are superiour to other media showing the offending cartoons. When asked how was it Radio-Canada his sister entity decided the opposite, he sniffed that they could decide for themselves.
Bad enough he made the call, but to hear the justification is hard to stomach.
If I see the French storming en masse one of the big mosques in Paris and burning it to the ground then I will know that something might change for the better in France.
But as long as they stand around like sissies holding candles you can be assured nothing will change, and that Mark Steyn’s predictions will all indeed come true.
The West needs to grow some balls.
“je suis Charlie” reminds me of the “Bring our Girls back” campaign. Likely just as effective.
People are genuinely horrified by what happened, they damn well should be. And you see this reflection in these postings. However, there is a brave statement that is not being followed up.
Simple clear news decision should be answering the question, why did these guys attack, what was it they were upset about and lets show what they were upset about and the public can decide.
There is no follow through and no backbone to the words. I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments expressed by these guys, but the implication is if freedom of expression is going to be defended from violent coercers and compellers some heads will need to be cracked. So new found support from the media for police, military and national security? Support for asking and discussing the question of how you integrate absolutist ideologies into a society pinned on toleration and diversity? Discussion that the implication is in the short run stop adding to the changes in your society with more people who come from societies that support that absolutist ideology to maintain social cohesion and preserve the cherished values of toleration, freedom of conscious and dissent?
I am not holding my breath, but those who for the moment are on the bandwagon need to be brought up to speed so they stay for the trials to come.
BC, just one?
Yes, Stephen but it’s the same old tired game. Jihadists attack; the world is outraged and vows defiance; jihadists attack again; the world is outraged again; someone points to “root causes” or demands an end to muslim immigration; justifiable military responses are seen as the motive for attacks – cue back and forth in time as desired (all the way back to the Crusades if necessary) to create justification; jihadists attack; we’re outraged…..
Rush Limbaugh wrote a book years ago in which he ranted about Symbolism versus Substance. I would judge that cartoons of pencils could be taken as Symbolism, and that AK47s are more along the line of Substance.
I wonder if al-Quaida reads Rush?
Poutine is a French Canadian thing. You can probably get in France, but it’s not common.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/police-officer-fatally-shot-in-paris-outskirts-1.2178446
Another cop shot and killed, and a street sweeper wounded,in a Muslim suburb of Paris. Those Muslims sure are afraid of the backlash!
For those waiting for a Charles Martel, that person or his type doesn’t exist any more, three generations of fatcat living in the West has drained the character completely out of us infidels.
Adversity breeds character,and we’ve had no adversity since 1945. The MSM is,as always, more interested in bashing Stephen Harper than standing up to Muslim aggression. Like the cowardly bullies they are, the Press only beats up on safe targets.
Hey didja hear the latest about Bill Cosby??!!!
I will add to my previous post that if the French would at least en masse block the entrance to a large mosque for several days that might indicate some minimum degree of spine. But they are too gutless to even do that, and instead they waste their time holding candles and drawing pencils. They don’t want to take it to the enemy in any way.
Keep in mind the French are a culture that will protest in the hundreds of thousands over something as mundane as school fees. But when their entire culture is under threat they become pansies.
Perhaps confusing the Simpson’s “Cheese easting surrender monkeys” with poutine.
The problem with conservatives is that they are generally law-abiding….So you will never see anything like what happened in Mumbai, Paris, Sydney, Ottawa or even attacks like those that occurred at X’mas Mass ever happen to Muslims here or anywhere else in the Western world. Add to that, many European countries including Canada and Australia have stringent gun laws and the ability for the “regular” joe to fight back is drastically reduced. In fact, the young soldier who died at the Cenotaph in Ottawa, while he had a fully-functioning, military-grade “assault” rifle–he and his compatriot had no bolts (to actually fire it) or ammunition in order to protect themselves and any civilians.
Timothy (and Maureen), the trope that hashtags are useless/pointless/stupid has more than a kernel of truth to it, but when it’s pushed too far, or too reflexively/mindlessly, it can (unintentionally, unknowingly) mutate into a pointless – or maybe ‘missing-the-point’ – condemnation of statements of simple solidarity.
Compare Michelle Obama’s wielding of a placard with the hashtag “#BringBackOurGirls” with the “Je Suis Charlie” statements being published and held up in signs around the world: Not only did the First Lady’s statement make no reference whatsoever, either implicit or explicit, to Islam, or to the Boko Haram Islamists who kidnapped the girls, thereby eliding the the problem and taking no real stand, but she also happens to be married to the man who by virtue of being Commander in Chief of the most powerful armed forces in the world is in the best position of any person in the world to do something to free the girls, but did nothing about it. Her self-absorbed selfie was an anodyne, laughably pointless gesture that pointedly skirted the source of the problem: Islamism.
The statement “Je Suis Charlie”, in comparison, whether one takes it literally or not, is saying “I stand with my fallen Westerners who felt free to vigorously insult Islamism”. The cartoonists and publisher of Charlie Hebdo were famous the world over for completely refusing to obey the proscriptions of Islamists, so the sloganized expression of solidarity is, unlike Michelle O’s statement, a de facto rejection of the values of the *vast majority* of Muslims who oppose criticism of Allah, whether or not they support violence as a remedy for the “crime” (I’d like to think that the majority of Muslims don’t, but those pesky, inconvenient polls leave the answer to that question up in the air).
There’s been a cultural war going on among the non-Muslim population in the West about whether or not we should prostrate our collective ass to accommodate Islam. One the one hand there are millions of people – almost all of them so-called progressives — who are saying in effect, generally in a very circumspect way drenched in self-congratulation, that the editors, cartoonists, and publisher of Charlie Hebdo deserved their fate because they were “needlessly” provocative. On the other side, once you wade through the mushy middle, there are those who take the firm stance that the right to satirize/mock anyone whatsoever is a fundament of Western freedom. In light of the recent erosion of freedom of expression in the West, the rallies and vigils in Europe and elsewhere are a very positive development — evidence of a shift, IMO — and any form of signalling or public expression of solidarity with Charlie Hebdo’s stand shouldn’t be understated or denigrated.
The people who criticize the hashtag/slogan could also say, I suppose, that people who (for example) wear an “I Stand With Israel” T-shirt at a “Free Palestine!” rally aren’t really doing anything, but to me that’s not only a pedantic position but and a hypocritical one whenever it’s coming from someone who isn’t actually taking up arms to defend Israel.
Here’s what I have to say to those who criticize the “Je Suis Charlie” slogan, whether it’s held up as a placard at a vigil, or plastered on a front-page newspaper banner, or used as a hashtag — or whatever: As soon as you see anyone – even one single person – claiming that their signal “Je suis Charlie” is a bullet being fired at the heart of fundamentalist Islam, or that it’s going to stop Islamism in its tracks, or that by expressing their solidarity they are putting themselves in mortal peril, go ahead and criticize them for their misapprehension and their pretence. Until you see that, though — and I haven’t seen even one instance of it — consider the slogan to merely be a public expression that “I am on this side of this highly contentious and very fundamental issue.” At times like this there’s nothing wrong with that.
This morning I heard John Cruikshank the editor in chief of the Toronto Star say the paper would not publish the Mohammad cartoons. Funny he went to the same high school as I did and shared many of the same classes (also the same high school as Stephen Harper and the same history teacher) but just doesn’t get it.
The West has blinked. A very sad day.
Really it means – “I stand with my fallen Westerners who felt free to vigorously insult Islamism”. LOL
Sorry, but it means NOTHING because it is nothing but cheap words – none of those journalists vigorously insulted Islam then, now or will do in the future. Not one of those journalists will risk offending Islam because they know that it might mean death or at the very least a whole lot of hassle from ‘officials’). The only journalists in Canada willing to stand up to Islam are Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant because they did and got dragged through the hot coals of courts and HR commissions without ONE BIT OF SUPPORT FROM THE BRAVE JOURNALISTS who are now holding their pencils high but are really just quivering in their boots.
You wrote a whole lot of words, but essentially said nothing. You must be a journalist!
EBD you miss the point. The overwhelming majority of Frenchmen standing in the street holding up “Je suis Charlie” signs believe that it’s all they need to do to solve the problem.
The signs symbolize a dangerous level of naivety, and that is why some people find them and other such related symbols highly annoying.
Maureen is right.
Nicola, you know it’s a very weird day when I agree with Kinsella, not once, but twice!
http://warrenkinsella.com/2015/01/spineless-and-clueless-charlie-hebdo-the-toronto-star-and-free-speech/
http://warrenkinsella.com/2015/01/two-possibly-emotional-reactions-to-the-paris-massacre/
The West grow balls? How? Eunuchs can’t!
people who (for example) wear an “I Stand With Israel” T-shirt at a “Free Palestine!” rally aren’t really doing anything
On the contrary. They’re putting themselves in very real physical danger.
Exactly – while our police stand by and watch as they get attacked by the pro-Palestinian protesters.
May no mistake I’m not advocating for violence but I am advocating from some real evidence that our governments and institutions are willing to stand firm and at this point the institutions, particularly in the MSM have failed miserably.
BC:
1. On what factual evidence do you base your assertion that the people at the rallies and vigils who were holding “Je suis Charlie” signs believe that their simple expressions of grief and solidarity are going to “solve the problem” of Islamism?
2. Do you think that blog comments such as yours criticizing the people who showed up at the vigils to express their solidarity with the people who were murdered for criticizing Islam are more effective than actually showing up at the vigils?
I suggest that publicly expressing solidarity – in person, on foot – with those who criticize Islam is a positive thing in and of itself. Using a blog comment to criticize those who do so? Not so much.
Neville Chamberlain, not dead enough!
Well you know what they say about broken clocks.
Or, they’re putting their potential attackers in very real physical danger.
Works both ways, right?
Pen vs. sword: Cartoonists united against Islamist terror.
Published January 08, 2015FoxNews.com
Antonio Branco’s tribute is entitled
“We are all cartoonists now.”
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Boy, that will sure scare the Shiite out of em..
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People, this is guerrilla warfare.
Don’t throw a pencil,
throw a hand-grenade.
They kill one of yours, you kill 20 of theirs.
They burn your house, you burn their frigging village.
Kick their asses or die..
“Je suis Charlie” is most effective when pencilled on the side of a smart bomb.
I suggest that publicly expressing solidarity – in person, on foot – with those who criticize Islam is a positive thing in and of itself.
Heh, the equivalent of the strongly worded letter. The cartoonists are dead, that’s what happens to those who believe the pen is mightier than the sword.
Normally I think hash tags are useless and just a meaningless way for people to feel good about themselves w/o any real effort at change but in this case I agree with EBD. People just got killed over a cartoon so it takes an act of courage to defy that and say you stand with the person’s right to free speech. After all someone could take your name and target you. I have Tibetan friends in China. I know what the consequences are for speech we take for granted. During the aftermath of a major earthquake in China a few years ago a person could wind up in jail for simply asking is the water contaminated or can I drink it.
Well, I can’t(and won’t)speak for BC, but when France votes for le Pen, I’ll gladly take back everything I ever said about Frenchmen, the Western World in general, and their lack of commitment.
Like in WW2 where are the pamphleteers with home made presses distributing the cartoons? Where are the individuals standing up to these murderess community? With the INTERNET & copying machines these cartoons should be plastered city wide everywhere.
Well, NOW the brave journalists stand with Charlie. Bit late don’t you think EBD? Maybe they are embarrassed about their cowardice and this helps salve their guilt. Maybe if they completed the phrase and added something about Mo being a murderous pedophile I would have more respect for them.
More like they are hiding behind ‘Je Suis’ and pretending to be brave than actually taking a real courageous stand.
They will scurry like terrified chickens when the Islamic dogs start barking at them.
I hope you aren’t depending on them to step up and fight.
The following Quebec French language newspapers had the balls to publish the CH cartoons.
Le Devoir.
Le Journal de Montréal.
Le Journal de Québec.
24 Heures.
La Presse.
Le Soleil.
Le Quotidien.
Le Droit.
La Tribune.
La Voix de l’Est.
Le Nouveliste and Métro
The Gazette, along with every other major Canadian English language paper that I know of, lacked the cojones to do so.
Correct. See my post above. Radio-Canada showed the cartoons, while CBC Newsworld had an executive explain why we didn’t need to see them and there was no need to provoke the Muslim community.