It's a disaster. By involving American forces half-heartedly, with an eye toward no objective beyond bumping up his poll numbers before the midterm elections, Obama has set ISIS up to brag about how they're beating the Great Satan - not just holding their own under air assault, but actually making progress, taking ground, and retaining the strategic initiative.
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The report also says an Islamist group in Egypt "has been staging ISIS copycat beheadings and is thought to have declared de facto loyalty to the group." An editorial at al-Arabiya News claims the threat of the Islamic State spreading into Libya is one reason Egypt didn't get involved in the Nameless Non-War, specifically mentioning the parade in Derna depicted above. Another reason is that our debonair internationalist Smart Power President Obama has been treating the Egyptians poorly ever since they overthrew the Muslim Brotherhood:
More here: How Syria policy stalled under the 'analyst in chief'
With all due respect to former soldiers on this board, who recently exhibited symptoms of a youth nostalgia attack, this entirely predictable outcome is the main reason I didn't support Canada's decision to get involved.
Why get involved under a Commander in Chief who is obviously a MB/ISIL man.
The only possible outcome is a large scale attack on our own soil.
Why fight ISIS over there while continuing to allow the welfare and head seeking barbarians to migrate here.
The world is being run by crazy people including our venerable PM.
Me No Dhimmi >
I'm with your comment 100%.
Moving along, the fact is that the ten's of thousands of butchers that make up ISIS/ ISIL did not magically appear out of fairy dust a month or two ago. They've always been there, and any intelligence agency worth their salt has known that they've been there.
In fact they are not just "over there" they live amongst westerners in every major city in Europe and North America, and our governments know it. Yet they leave our borders open for more.
The "Arab Spring" was a farce for the west, and so is this.
Exactly, but disagree in that I think ISIL should be seriously hammered anywhere it pops up, and the Kurds should be given whatever they need to fight back.
It is pretty bad when even the lapdog Reuters is slamming the empty chair.
And the President of Egypt is named Sisi
Ken (Kulak) >
I respect your opinion Ken, and agree that we could aid in arming the Kurds. They have proven themselves reliable ally's over several decades and have earnestly fought "enemies of the west".
I disagree with direct involvement, we should be utilizing our resources to where it counts the most, at home. Start with closing the borders to Islamic nations, and deporting known Islamic fund raisers, especially clerics. Start taking a damned look at these bogus "Student Visa's" would be another start.
We in the west can easily bend Islamic and Arabic nations to our whim ustilizing our economic and sanction power. Without us, they have nothing save for cheap plastic Chinese junk. Even then we have some power to influence as well.
Remember that Canada as an example consist of approximately +35 million people. Half of whom are useless Liberal pussy's. The other half consist of some conservatives, lots and lots of Muslims, and a whole host of other ethnic cultures who could give a rats ass about anything Canadian or about the Middle East.
In comparison, you have 500 million Islamic/ Arabs in the Middle East, over 1.2 Billion Muslims worldwide, and many millions of those nested in western communities.
This is not a WW1 or WW2 situation that you win with airpower and "boots on the ground". This is exactly like guerrilla warfare in a Middle Eastern arena, that could quite easily move into middle America.
Obamba knows this. That is why there is an outrageous amount of militarized police buildup across the nation today. I'm betting this is a part of "fundemental change you can believe in".
Related:- The whole ISIS thing seems to be growing exponentially in terms of its scope.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/us-led-air-war-in-syria-is-off-to-a-difficult-start-with-moderate-rebels-disenchanted/2014/10/10/e0949dfa-4fe9-11e4-aa5e-7153e466a02d_story.html
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BRITAIN_TERRORISM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-11-04-18-18
Interesting post from a Kurdish Canadian on ISIS.
ZUrqon • 30 minutes ago
I’m a Kurdish Canadian and recently I completely lost any
respect I had for the Liberal party. It’s easy when it’s not your family to say “let’s
try other means”.. This is not your typical terror threat. These guys are
funded by the billions and own pretty much half of two countries. They chop peoples heads off and do modern crucifictions in public streets and the crowd cheers like it’s a football game. They make kids as young as 6-8 do beheadings..
(There is proof) - I’m not just saying this as a Kurd but as a civil human being.. They need to wiped out and anyone who supports them in anyway need to be punished severely.
This is a not a time to be playing devil’s advocate in
politics. These guys already own the Taliban and Al Qaeda. They are too strong
and too large.. They have tanks and moderns weapons and get new soldiers near
the thousands in a day..
With the money they make from black market oil trading and
other illegal means they will soon find a way to come here.. And lots of arabs
and other middle easterns will join them.. I know. I’m middle eastern and my
other middle eastern friends prior to this whole thing have told me they are
ready when the time comes.. Now I know what they mean.
ZUrqon ZUrqon • 3 minutes ago
And one more thing I like to add! Turkey right now with strong evidence is their number one supporter in terms of recruitment and military funding. Every jihads knows in order to join in on the fun they need to go through turkey..
yes, it's chamberlains like you that we need to listen to, and that worked out real well before WW2 now didn't it? Leaving these extremists to their won devices will allow them to build a financial and personal infrastructure to project power world wide. We'v already seen the effects of a well funded organization and how they can sustain an operation for several years and bring it to success. 9-11 was not a one day operation, it took about 3 years to fully implement, and the radicals in SA were the probable financiers, along with O bin Laden, who helped plan the sucker.
You knight and the likes of mnd are not deep thinkers, so try listening to those who are better informed and better able to use that information to formulate reasonable and effective plans
As Jonah Goldberg said the other day, Obama is conducting a light show in the ME. He will accomplish zilch except strengthening ISIS. ISIS has best been described as the razor's edge of Islam. The US has knocked off most of the nasty buggers that kept the Islamists at least partially under control and now they think that they can contain their unconstrained savagery with a few smart bombs dropped under ridiculous ROEs? Under Obama, nothing good will come of anything domestic and foreign and we are crazy to follow his lead.
Nor are you a deep thinker NME666 for you failed to understand the point I made with which Knight 99 agreed.
Like Ken I'd like this evil force destroyed root and branch.
But the treasonous Yankee commander in chief doesn't want to do this, and isn't.
He's on their side (and the side of MB associated groups).
SO, deep thinker, the project is doomed at the start.
Get it?!
As one retired military cat put it, the bombing campaign needs to be a 24/7 THUNDERSTORM but the traitor in chief is providing a mere drizzle up to the Nov 5 elections.
One more thing deep thinker. I'm on record here repeatedly advocating for the wholesale destruction of the PLO and Hamas but if memory serves you were too busy trying to bask in ET's alleged deep thinking when she repeatedly opined that Israel was the party solely responsible for the continuing conflict (by not agreeing to suicidal land for blood).
Obama will not be happy till Israel is surrounded by Jihadist's who he will as a fellow Muslim make war on.Egypt put a crimp in the plan. Now thats being addressed. Assad can kiss his butt goodbye with Obama & Turkeys President being BFF.
The current engagement is pretty pathetic but very much what you would expect from the Big Zero. There really is only one way to deal with ISIS and that is with boots on the ground. Big boots with big guns, not proxy boots with tiny guns and not enough ammo.
However, there is a lot more which needs to be done while we are waiting for actual military action.
First, we need to make it a matter of Canadian policy that if a Canadian goes to fight with or support ISIS he or she is deemed to have renounced their Canadian status citizen or otherwise. If that renders them stately, tough nuggies.
Second, we need to hit the funders of these barbarians. Either directly where direct complicity can be proven or indirectly by prohibiting the use of our banking facilities and baring investment from the suspect countries - yes, Quatar, yes Saudi that means you.
Third, we need to ban immigration from all Islamic states for a period of several years and then, if that ban is lifted it needs to be lifted very slowly and selectively.
Fourth, we need to require positive vetting of the landed immigrants from those state who are already here. Essentially, such a vetting program would require a declaration that they did not support ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah or any other proscribed terrorist group. That declaration would be under oath and - so as not to offend our leftie pals - could be administered to all landed immigrants. From there measures need to be undertaken to observe these immigrants to ensure that they have not violated that oath. If they do it is back on the plane for them.
There are, no doubt, lots of immigrants from Islamic states who come to Canada to get away from the oppressive world of fundamentalist Islam. They will have no trouble with such a declaration.
Finally, the hate cops and assorted other dimwits who have been rendered useless by the defeat of s. 13 should use their mighty internet skills to track Islamist activity. Finding the forums, twitter accounts and facebook pages of the Islamist terrorists and their supporters should be child's play for these super agents of human rights. Go to it. And report any Canadians to CSIS and Immigration.
NME666 >
Like everyone else i usually just jump over your useless comments, but the "Knight" caught my attention this time,
Have you ever made a legitimate argument or comment at SDA, other than snide useless cracks at other commenters who actually do make arguments?
Seriously, you sound like a petty old broke down farmer bitching about the neighbours new truck or tractor all the time.
it's no ones fault but your own that you can't spell or make an argument any more than it's your neighbour's fault that you can't make a decent living for yourself.
Troll away, it used to be fun to spring board of LAS retarded comments as well.
And before all that, Jay Currie, statesmen/women who care not a fig if they are re-elected.
For without this, none of your most excellent suggestions are possible.
Some pol allegedly said, We know what to do but not how to get re-elected after we do it.
We need leaders who say We know what needs doing and damn the torpedoes we're going to do it, and pursue another career after. And ironically, a pol who'd say this might just be very pleasantly surprised at how excellent his electoral chances were after, for the people do like novelty.
Jay Currie >
You nailed it. That's precisely what I've been getting at on several of these posts.
There's no point in attacking the enemy beyond the castle walls when they've already infiltrated the castle.
Aside from that little strategic house cleaning fact, the keyboard warriors without a personal stake in the fight don't seem to have any recent memory regarding the pathetic "rules of engagement" our troops are forced to die by.
You can play wack-a-mole all day every day out in the desert with these murderous monkey's, but there are allot more of them than there are of us and their dug in, in the west!
As you said, we need to beat them here before we can begin to beat them "over there".
Knight 99, Me No Dhimmi, and Jay Currie, you all make excellent points. Boots on the ground is too premature at this point as most of the public is not ready for that. So, we should bomb the dickens out of them, help the Kurds as much as possible. And, as many of you suggest, although the general public is also not ready for this at this time, stop immigration and keep a close eye on those already here young males who have been in the ME in recent years.
A good percentage of the public in Canada and the US is at this time good with bombing and helping the Kurds, but it will take a number of homegrown incidents to gather enough support to move troops to that area.
It might also take a leadership change south of the 49th before efforts are made to seriously injure ISIL. Defeating ISIL or succeeding clones will decades if the European politicians who are suffering from the Vichy syndrome wake up and confront their homegrown terrorists. If they do not wake up, and we get a fool like Trudeau in Ottawa, or if the US elects someone like Obama, we could well lose this battle.
"Knight 99, Me No Dhimmi, and Jay Currie, you all make excellent points."
I agree with y'all. Canada should seal off all Muslim immigration and stay out of this ISIS fight. Why stay out? Because Obama is the Commander-in-Chief of American forces and any effort on Canada's part will be wasted blood and treasure. Obama has no intention of winning, none. The Americans are no longer interested in victory and being their Ally war is a fool's errand.
Total War to victory, or no war at all.
'analyst in chief'
heh - note that the first four letters in 'analyst" are "anal."
I rest my case.
Yeah well, the scuttle butt is interesting.
The kurds have noted that the ISIS people withdraw and hide, just prior to a US airstrike.
Some have noted the French operating out of the UAE are 3 times as effective as US bombers out of Qatar. They also note the US is pi$$y that the French refuse to coordinate their missions with the US or inform the US of their targets.
Yeah well, the scuttle butt is interesting.
The kurds have noted that the ISIS people withdraw and hide, just prior to a US airstrike.
Some have noted the French operating out of the UAE are 3 times as effective as US bombers out of Qatar. They also note the US is pi$$y that the French refuse to coordinate their missions with the US or inform the US of their targets.