Kneejerk Reactions

"Broadly speaking, as e-cigarette use has risen, smoking rates have either held steady or declined."

It's always been about Taxes. If smoking declines the taxation take will decline and that revenue will have to be found elsewhere. Time to double tax the must have feminist products!

They won't be able to stop E-Cig or tax them at the same rate. The true believers of tobacco cessation should celebrate.

Let us next do caffeine. Addictive, check. Unnecessary, check. Not enough studies done, check.

Kids (teens) will leave the school property and do it anyway. Then they are completely unsupervised and will escalate to other, more dangerous activities.

I am not swayed in the least by "the dangers" of e-cigs. It is on par with global warming.
If e-cigs stops someone from inhaling the hundreds of chemicals in tobacco then good for them.

Little by little freedoms get taken away from us, "for our own good". Just say no to more bans, more regulation. In the words of someone, "you don't speak for me".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrXnDbOpxU4

I'm with Hank Jr. on this one.

We need a coalition to ban coalitions.

Let's have more regulations, please.
Oh and you parents out there, just keep doing what you're doing instead of raising your children, remember ...'it takes a village'.

Banning E-Cigs will follow a predictable path. The Indian Rez's will start to sell them and the juice will be tax free. Government will turn a blind eye due to the political nature of it. Governments have always been known to step on their dicks when they attempt to control something. This will be no exception.

We're forgetting one thing. Mandel is an unelected liberal selected by Prentice to be Health Minister. Fits nicely with Prentice who also pretends to be conservative. We can't expect endless chickenpoo laws from this crew.

We can't expect endless chickenpoo laws from this crew.

Make that "We CAN expect endless chickenpoo laws from this crew."

Old and blind.

The whole manufactured crisis over E-cigarettes is statist illogic gone berserk. Recently IHA came down with a directive that such devices will not be tolerated on hospital property. Yet, this is the same "health" organization that provides patients with nicotine inhalers to relieve their nicotine withdrawal while in hospital and forces patients to drag their IV poles through -20 C temperatures and snow to the edge of hospital property if they wish to have a cigarette. Having personally tried out nicotine inhalers, my observation is that they only work well during the summer or if one has very warm hands. Thus, they are discriminatory against patients with Raynauds syndrome who would require an external source of heat to vaporize the nicotine. Right now, in typical imbecilic bureaucratic logic, there is no prohibition against a patient utilizing an external heat source to get some use out of their nicotine inhaler whereas use of an E-cigarette will bring the full wrath of the statists down on those people who see no logical difference between the two activities.

My observation is that about 5-10% of people function considerably better with nicotine. I used to go up to 2 packs/day when studying for undergraduate university exams and finally quit smoking 39 years ago. However, when I put on a nicotine patch about 15 years ago suddenly I realized why I used to smoke tobacco when I studied. Since then I've been using nicotine patches on a regular basis and have had increased clarity of thought as well as more vivid dreams. The nice thing about having quit for so long is that I can enjoy the occasional cigarette or cigar now without having to worry about it becoming a habit again.

I'm old enough to recall when the tobacco companies response to the literature suggesting a relationship between cigarette smoking and lung cancer was to begin work on cigarette shaped nicotine vaporizers. Somehow this great idea was destroyed by the anti-tobacco hysteria which overtook governments (my personal opinion was that they realized how much money they could extort from tobacco companies while appearing to be operating under the guise of "public health"). This prohibitionist totalitarian weltanschauung has only served to increase the number of people with violently anti-government Libertarian views. Instead of a safe, widely available form of nicotine administration, we have a propaganda campaign that would have made Goebbels proud.

Nicotine, on its own, is quite a benign drug and what is dangerous is combining CO with nicotine. Heavy smokers have a good chunk of their O2 binding capacity of hemoglobin (and other heme proteins) blocked with the far more stable CO-Fe bond. When I quit smoking, my primary concern was effects of smoking on my lung function, but the CO produced by burning tobacco is a far greater overall risk. In theory, one should be able to prevent emphysema by adding cannabis to ones tobacco as THC has an anti-inflammatory effect in the lungs and which is why heavy pot smokers don't develop emphysema and why in the early 1900's marijuana cigarettes were available in pharmacies for treatment of asthma.

Any curious individual who chooses to do their own literature search on the health effects of nicotine will quickly become aware that the current demonization of what is actually a very useful psychoactive drug is pure BS. Actually, any government propaganda regarding adverse effects of drugs is pure BS and used primarily to justify the increasing totalitarian direction of western societies.

The junk science used to scare the masses on e-cigarette use is the identical strategy used by the climate change alarmists.

Posted this in an earlier thread, yet it best belongs here. "In a paper published in the American Journal of Public Health by Dr. Robertson in April of 1946, Robertson cites a study published in the Edinburgh Medical Journal, which was conducted in 1944:"

"The report of the 3 years’ study of the clinical application of the disinfection of air by glycol vapors in a children’s convalescent home showed a marked reduction in the number of acute respiratory infections occurring in the wards treated with both propylene and triethylene glycols. Whereas in the control wards, 132 infections occured during the course of three winters, there were only 13 such instances in the glycol wards during the same period. The fact that children were, for the most part, chronically confined to bed presented an unusually favorable condition for the prophylactic action of the glycol vapor."

The e-cigarette hysteria has everything to do with appearances (the appearance of protecting health-nothing could be further from the truth) and optics (association with smoking tobacco -hand to mouth action and the creation of smoke like fog)and will fool a fair number of sheeple which, sadly, is all that is needed.

Meanwhile, the quit smoking aid Champix, known as Chantix in the USA, is seeing numerous class action suits due to incidents of death, heart disease and other debilitating side effects from its use. Zyban, another quit smoking drug, is an antidepressant that has also caused death and serious side effects. Meanwhile there has not been one death attributed to vaping e-liquid ore-cigarette devices.

The losses in taxes for the government, combined with the losses to pharmaceutical company sales from stop smoking aids such as Chamix, Zyban, patches, gum and nasal sprays is not something they are willing to tolerate.

According to the study above, it is likely pharmaceutical companies will also see lost revenues from antibiotic prescriptions administered to those with respiratory infections as a result of the use of e-cigarettes-COPD patients typically experience between 2-9 respiratory infections per year that require antibiotics-many of which also have devastating side effects. The sacred risk of harm versus benefit of use has been completely thrown out the window by WHO and other health agencies.

Truth and human health take a backseat to tax revenue and pharmaceutical profits. Tobacco companies are also experiencing increasing profit losses.

Search the terms "the-ultimate-list-of-studies-on-e-cigarettes-and-their-safety"

mnvapers.com/2014/04/epa-fda-vapor-harmless-children/

Thank you Loki and Lucky Lori. Glad to have you back with some intelligent straight talk on any subject.

Loki is bang on. Of course this has absolutely nothing to do with health, even the claim that "second-hand smoke" is dangerous is bogus. People may not like the smell but even the WHO several years ago found that there was no evidence of harm done to others by "second-hand smoke". These findings were ignored by our MSM, because they didn't comply with the agenda.

I am interested in trying e-cigarettes myself but no store in my area carries them. I have found a few suppliers on-line where one can order them, but I have no idea which make/brand is good. I hope to find someone around who knows about e-cigarettes, as I am led to understand that some work better than others.

Here is part of the wiki entry for triethylene glycol-proplyene glycol has very similiar properties, yet this fact is scarcely mentioned it's wiki entry:

"Triethylene glycol is well established as a relatively mild disinfectant toward a variety of bacteria, influenza A viruses and spores of Penicillium notatum fungi.[4] However, its exceptionally low toxicity, broad materials compatibility, and low odor combined with its antimicrobial properties indicates that it approaches the ideal for air disinfection purposes in occupied spaces.[4] Much of the scientific work with triethylene glycol was done in the 1940s and 1950s, however that work has ably demonstrated the antimicrobial activity against airborne, solution suspension, and surface bound microbes. The ability of triethylene glycol to inactivate Streptococcus pneumoniae (original citation: pneumococcus Type I), Streptococcus pyogenes (original citation: Beta hemolytic streptococcus group A) and Influenza A virus in the air was first reported in 1943.[5] Since the first report the following microorganisms have been reported in the literature to be inactivated in the air: Penicillium notatum spores,[6] Chlamydophila psittaci (original citation: meningopneumonitis virus strain Cal 10 and psittacosis virus strain 6BC),[7] Group C streptococcus,[8] type 1 pneumococcus,[8] Staphylococcus albus,[8] Escherichia coli,[9] and Serratia marcescens Bizio (ATCC 274).[10] Solutions of triethylene glycol are known to be antimicrobial toward suspensions of Penicillium notatum spores,[6] Streptococcus pyogenes (original citation: Beta hemolytic streptococcus Group A ),[11] Streptococcus pneumoniae (original citation: pneumococcus Type I),[11] Streptococcus viridans,[11] and Mycobacterium bovis (original citation: tubercle bacilli Ravenel bovine-type).[12] Further, the inactivation of H1N1 influenza A virus on surfaces has been demonstrated.[13] The latter investigation suggests that triethylene glycol may prove to be a potent weapon against future influenza epidemics and pandemics."

"Introducing Tobacco To Civilization" by Bob Newhart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XDxAzVEbN4

Lance- If you would like some helpful hints, email me.

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