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Well, I guess this is one way to reduce gun crime.

The number of mentally ill people who have been killed through euthanasia in the Netherlands has trebled in a single year, according to new figures.

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Nazis Germany gassed those they didn't want..... Islamic terrorist states behead them.....third world dictatorships just murder them.....but we western nations are civilized, ya right the results appear to be the same.

We catch hell locking up crazy people who can't even look after themselves. The Dutch simply kill them. They were good students when the Nazis were in charge.

So much for the tolerant Netherlands, traditional home of refugees, outcasts; the " other ".

Sooo, under Dutch rules, would a Luka Magnotta be put down? If so, I applaud it.

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Yah, well I'll just wait till the dust settles. Is there really an increase in euthanasia or just an increase in reportage. Or are we just witnessing some scare mongering?

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putting aside (if you can) moral considerations... 15 years after unfettered availability of abortions north america wide... crime rates in general started to fall.

draw your own conclusions.

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If you don't like how the mentally ill are treated then invite them to come live with you.

Ya know, NME666, when a story says,

"The Daily Mail reports that in 2012, 14 people with "severe psychiatric problems" were killed by lethal injection, a figure that rose to 42 in 2013."

and you question whether it's just the reporting, I'm inclined to think less than supportive things about your reading comprehension.

Legal euthanasia of mentally ill people isn't scary enough for you?

What's your cutoff for "scary"? 10 per year? 100? 1000? Cleaning out whole hospitals in an afternoon?

Either one is too many, or its just a matter of dressing it up in the right propaganda.

The only acceptable capital punishment is when the perpetrator is killed by the victim during the commission of the crime. Because all the other alternatives give government employees too much power.

Unfortunately, that rubbish is for real. I know enough in the dutch community that among the elderly, going to the 'doctor' is an issue to be avoided at all costs.

They have 'reinvented' lessons from the National Socialists under the guise of 'compassionate death'...and lives 'not worth living' rhetoric.

It always starts with small 'hard cases' and inevitably the gateway to Hell opens wide.

Need your inheritance early...? Let's get grandma to visit the 'doctor'...

The National Socialists began their killing spree under the "T4 euthanasia programme"; which eventually led to war crimes prosecutions.

The programme began in 1939, and ultimately resulted in the murder of more than 70,000 people who were senile, mentally handicapped, mentally ill, epileptics, cripples, children with Down's Syndrome or people with similar afflictions. The murders involved interference in Church welfare institutions, and awareness of the murderous programme became widespread, and the Church leaders who opposed it - chiefly the Catholic Bishop August von Galen of Munster and Protestant Bishop Theophil Wurm - were therefore able to rouse widespread public opposition.


Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

I conclude you are assuming correlation equals causation. This assumption is incorrect.

in 2012, 14 people with "severe psychiatric problems" were killed by lethal injection, a figure that rose to 42 in 2013.

yeah, so? Would you rather pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to keep them alive and contained?

Hans love reductio ad absurdum arguments

is that place where westerners go to die?

Why should monsters like the one who beheaded the guy on a bus and the one on trial right now be kept alive at great expense?

It's been proven by many people smarter than you.

From "modus vivendi" to "mortui vivos docent"...(The dead teach the living)

Just because one closes one's eyes to certain state practices doesn't mean they don't occur. The Belgians are't far behind either....Try not to behave like an ostrich.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26181615

Belgium's parliament votes through child euthanasia 13 February 2014

Church leaders argued the law is immoral.

"The law says adolescents cannot make important decisions on economic or emotional issues, but suddenly they've become able to decide that someone should make them die," Brussels Archbishop Andre-Joseph Leonard, head of the Catholic Church in Belgium, said at a prayer vigil last week.

Some paediatricians have warned vulnerable children could be put at risk and have questioned whether a child can really be expected to make such a difficult choice.

Last week 160 Belgian paediatricians signed an open letter against the law, claiming that there was no urgent need for it and that modern medicine is capable of alleviating pain.

Just because a certain group in the population don't give a good God damn; doesn't mean it isn't wrong either.


Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

"Try not to behave like an ostrich."
Name calling is your response, ah yes,of course. You're still using reductio ad absurdum arguments. With that silly overused sig line it fits. "Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army Army Group “True North”" yeah right...

well now missus lance, as to comprehension, you fail miserably. I posited a mathematical (statistical) based question, you respond emotionally. You in the past have claimed to be a lefty, I no longer doubt your word on that.

phantom, were did I address the morality of euthanasia????? See above to missus lance!!!

john galt

the question is is are we seeing a concentration effect because the "program" is not available in surrounding countries, this again questions the "math" of the article

Sum in here really need to take a course in statistic analysis. And then learn to discuss logical issues with their emotions set aside. As to whether I support or not an euthanasia program is for a different day, because there are too many emotionally immature participants in here.

why keep them alive?

Well said, and I agree.

hans you fool, I was born over there, so just about all my relatives are dutch.

now try getting rid of your VAIN sign off in here as I'm unawares of any kristian religion that has vanity as a tenant.

If you want to be taken seriously, then stop calling yourself Santa Claus.

Of course, keep whistling past the graveyard...it's all 'good'.

Your entitled to your opinion, one however is not entitled to form facts.

Don't like my sig, too freaking bad, I am not apologizing any time soon.

I've offered facts based on history 75 years ago and those going on in Belgium this year; you've offered distractions based on vapid opinion.

You may not like the facts, because they don't support your opinion; but they are facts nonetheless.

Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

Coming soon to a province near you.

Quebec votes to legalize euthanasia

MONTREAL — As Quebec’s National Assembly voted Thursday to become the first North American jurisdiction to legalize euthanasia, the air was thick with self-congratulation.

“I want to congratulate ourselves as parliamentarians,” PQ MNA Carole Poirier said before the vote. “Quebec is a beautiful society, and again today Quebec has just shown that we are really, really a different society.”

Véronique Hivon, the PQ MNA who had pushed for the legislation as junior health minister and co-sponsored its re-introduction after the PQ was defeated in April, was applauded like a superstar by her colleagues – after speaking on the legislature floor, after standing to vote, even after holding a news conference.

“I think we have before us today, with the adoption of this law, an example of all Quebec society is capable of,” Ms. Hivon said, “of this great maturity that it is capable of showing.”

It was an oddly celebratory mood for an issue of such gravity: should the law permit someone to deliberately end another’s life?

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/06/05/graeme-hamilton-air-think-with-self-congratulation-as-quebec-votes-to-legalize-euthanasia/

why keep them alive?

I can think of one reason, to break the communist healthcare system. That's what it took to be rid of the ussr.

Other than that, why keep you alive? You're going to die anyway...

From what I know they now kill children as well. No wonder they with Islam get along so well. Both reveres death as the antidote to all problems. Collectivist societies bent on having a hive mind with no individuality, people are just so much flesh to to use.Cultures like this are self destructive as we see in the Middle East.

A couple of sick people on here. Murder is murder. So now emulating the Nazis is alright by some.

Keep the title Hans.

Some cleanup needed in isles 3 & 4.

"Murder is murder. "

The real world does not agree with that overly simplistic view.

"Why keep them alive?"

Why kill them? Why not leave them alive?

Do you want your tax dollars keeping people with "severe psychiatric problems" alive? I consider it a waste of tax money. Of course if you want to sponsor one to live with you, then I have no objection.

If you want to spend your money, or money gifted to you by others, to care for someone with "severe psychiatric problems" then there is no problem. Everyone can benefit from a worthwhile avocation. The various churches used to do that to support institutions for people with severe psychiatric problems.

However when such care is supported by tax dollars, then it has to compete with every other 'good cause'. Some amount of our tax dollars should go to humanitarian causes, and all those 'good causes' have to share that pie.

The population of the Netherlands in 2013 was 16.8 million, 43 people with severe psychiatric problems were humanely killed. That's not a significant percent of the population. It is reasonable to believe that their problems were incurable and likely resulted in violence if they were not institutionalized and medicated. These are not people that can be let loose in society with a promise to take their meds; they must be housed in secure facilities.

The cost of keeping someone with serious mental illness in the hospital is $170,820 per year in Canada. Assuming the same percent of our population with severe, incurable, violent, psychiatric problems, it costs $14.7 million of our tax dollars per year to keep those 86 people alive.

Shouldn't that nearly $15 million be spent instead on people with curable psychiatric problems?

Says the guy who sees "jooos" and "katholiQs" everywhere.

The slippery slope oft-warned is now here. What was supposed to be for the very ill is now for anyone at all, even without their knowledge or consent.

Yeah, I'd say that's a problem and I'm clear-headed enough to see it.

Yeah, I am greatly disturbed as well.

First they came for the unborn....but I was not unborn........

Then, they came for the terminally ill...but I was not terminally ill.......

Then they came for the unresponsive (brain dead)....but I was not unresponsive (brain dead)....

Reductio ad absurdum, also known as argumentum ad absurdum, is a common form of argument which seeks to demonstrate that a statement is true by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its denial, or in turn to demonstrate that a statement is false by showing that a false, untenable, or absurd result follows from its acceptance

So John, who gets to choose who lives and who dies? Some politically connected hack who sucks up to the right people for a living, is the correct answer. Because that's how the civil service works.

You want that guy deciding if your Alzheimer's stricken relative dies today?

This is the reality of your proposal. This is what Holland has fallen to.

Won't be long now before "intractable mental illness" is a label applied to any person the regime finds inconvenient. Historical precedent indicates the toboggan ride down the slippery slope picks up speed fast.

Here's a couple more pithy aphorisms for you to consider.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely. "

"Who watches the watchers?"

The article is about euthanizing people with severe, incurable, violent, psychiatric problems, ie. the criminally insane.
Your Reductio ad absurdum 'slippery slope' arguments are a bulls h i t distraction,
with no relevance to the subject at hand.

There's another old aphorism, most apt in this case,"give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile", and government epitomises that one.

Medical care is expensive,hugely expensive,and your slippery slope argument is spot on,because every year it costs more of our budget to look after the mentally ill, the criminally insane, the elderly, those with chronic medical conditions,people who aren't politically correct, persons guilty of hate crimes,etc.,etc.

I've said with my ruefully cynical humor for years that mine will be the first generation to be medically murdered by our own children, out of economic necessity, no malice at all.

My Daughter, a nurse,has agreed to use a particularly fine needle to administer my lethal injection,for the good of the state.

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