From "The case for doing nothing about the Islamic State", by Rick Salutin:
So imagine being a villager. From high overhead, others are raining Hellfires, literally, on you. You can't see them but you know they don't look like you or speak your language, and care only in the most abstract way. Then along come the Islamic State thugs. They look and talk like you. They're brutal but they create some administrative order...
It's hard to imagine a more morally bankrupt way of putting it.











"When he was young, in Sudan, Churchill felt the “exhilaration” of being shot at and missed. He didn’t experience the obverse (being killed) but that’s what made a lot of upper-class Brits effective officers and warmakers: their snobby sense of invulnerability.
This is a different era ... "
Rick, perhaps that "snobby sense of invulnerabilty" disappeared in WWI when all the snotty young officers got shot at and killed, blown up and killed, bazooka-ed and, well, you know, killed. If that wasn't enough, WWII came along 21 years later and guess what? More reasons, thousands of them, to drop that snobby sense of invulnerability. You could look it up.
Thanks, though, for reminding us that "This is a different era ..." (different from the era in which Churchill got shot at in Sudan'way back when.) Amazingly, most of knew that, but thanks anyway.
LOL.
Like ISIS is rolling over Europe!
What's your excuse about doing nothing in NK and Africa?
Screw you, EBD. If the attack us, we fight, if not, let 'em go a it. Too bad Harper is so into Muslim immigration, along with all of the EU and the USA. So yeah, ISIS is rolling all over Europe, with the help of the same folk you want to support.
EBD is just a hack.
"They look and talk like you. They're brutal but they create some administrative order..."
I remember somebody saying that about the Nazis.
Until Cameron says that it is islam and muslims that are responsible for this butchery, until he admits that muslims within the UK kidnap, rape and sell as sex slaves young girls by the hundreds, until he admits it is islam and muslims turning UK cities like Birmingham into no-go areas, until he admits that the UK views islam as a dangerous threat to our way of life and freedoms nothing will change the conversion of the UK into an islamic country.
From a different angle, I arrived at Salutin's drivel. I had to take a shower after the first paragraph.
You're correct, and the same can be said of the rest of Eurabia. I suspect it's too late for them, but not for Canada. I suppose it will take Muslim gangs raping Canadian girls before they do anything, and by then it's likely to be too late.
Thankfully it's likely to only happen in the big cities with Muslim enclaves.
Salutin's piece is a variant of "Our resistance makes them our enemies". It is a philosophy of surrender.
..."our resistance makes us their enemies". There, corrected.
Hey boy, this war has been going on for 1400 years, arabs against civilization. There is a significant fifth column in the non-islam lands now. They must be fought on their turf, or they must be fought on ours.
Folk think that by dropping a few bombs we are resisting Islam?
Is everyone on glue?
Our leaders are importing these people wholesale, and they are in bed with the Saudi's and Qatar.
The Saudi's did 9/11 and are funding mosques and Islamic studies in all western countries and almost all western universities, and our leaders are encouraging it, in fact, Harper is helping Obama get rid of one of the last secular leaders in the ME: Assad, who has Christians in his government, and had a stable Christian minority, but thanks to our tax money, the Muslims will soon put an end to that.
This seems to be the only philosophy of the Left these days, negotiate until hell freezes over,followed by an agreement most would call capitulation.
Mulcair,Trudeau,and the rest of the Left don't seem to understand,ISIS doesn't want to negotiate, they aren't interested in listening to infidel idiots, they want their caliphate to spread over the entire planet,only then will they be satisfied.
If anyone who watched Trudeau's interviews on this isn't disturbed by his total lack of comprehension on this issue,they,too must have Margaret Trudeau's intellect.
Golly, Mike from Montreal, who said ISIS is rolling over Europe? That's quite the flaccid little straw man you tried unsuccessfully to erect. Have you tried Viagra?
O-tay. A lot of more civilized people aren't okay with the widespread murder and rape of Christians, Kurds, etc., and can't summon an "LOL" on the topic. Guess you're just going to have to live with that.
Too bad our leaders are importing the 5th column as we speak. The same leaders who got rid of those few dictators who kept those savages in line in the ME, the same leaders who want to see Assad dead.
EBD, you are ful of it.
This has been going on in Africa and the ME for centuries, and in NK for decades.
The Saudi's behaead people almost every day, yet you say nothing about them.
Spare me your moral outrage for the 'cause de jour.
So, you're on the side of the Christians in Syria, where ISIS is raping and killing those Christians and burning their churches, but you're opposed to bombing or fighting the stupid ****ers who are attacking the Christians in Syria.
You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?
Perhaps the ally we really want is Assad.
Let them fight it out themselves, Muslim v. Muslim within their own sandbox.
As for the Christians, they become martyrs if they can't leave and don't play defense. Revelation makes it clear that the enemy will become drunk on the blood of the believers before it gets better.
Assad is the only one on the side of Christians there, and the US led 'calition" is hell-bent on getting rid of Assad.
Why don'rt we arm Assad?
scar >
"Perhaps the ally we really want is Assad."
Exactly.
It's funny that the so mentioned christians were doing just fine in Syria, Egypt, Iraq or Libya before the western intelligentsia decided that they needed an "Arab Spring" for their own good.
So far trying to beat them down with bombs isn't working so well. Doing so and opening your borders wide is simply.....criminal.
Never forget that it's on record that "Al Qaeda" was a CIA invention to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. All the weapons ISIS/ ISIL is using against the ME populations was handed to them.
We are long overdue cleaning up our own domestic problems before we continue to make a mess of everyone else's.
To quote FDR on Trujillo, "He may be an SOB, but he's our SOB".
Khadaffi was an SOB too, no different really than Asssad in Syria, but getting rid of them makes a complete shambles of the situation.
""Perhaps the ally we really want is Assad."
Exactly."
both of you beniuses need to read this:
One of the grim ironies of the Syrian civil war is that IS has flourished in Syria in part due to the manipulations of the Assad regime itself. As initially peaceful protests turned into sectarian war in the latter half of 2011,
...
On the other hand, if the rebel ranks were dominated by Al Qaeda-style Islamist groups, the West would balk at providing support and could eventually even side with Damascus.
In a cynical but skillfully exploited strategy, hundreds of Islamic militants were released from Syrian prisons in the first few months of the then generally peaceful uprising..."
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/dont-cooperate-assad
"Never forget that it's on record that "Al Qaeda" was a CIA invention to fight the Russians in Afghanistan."
It is really pathetic that this bullshit refuted hundreds of times on this blog any countless othe rplaces is yet again brainlessly recycled.
cgh >
Absolutely. Lets also realize that we are all victims of this "War on Terror".
Regardless of why "the powers that be" have decided to "liberate" the Arab peoples of the world, they never asked for it. In fact outside of CNN they clearly said stay out.
The Liberal left would like to blame Bush and Blair for originally invading Iraq, but they neglect to own up to Obamba's part in the drama.
Namely arming ISIS/ISIL with arms left in Iraq after the pullout, along with Gaddafi's armouries along with the "aid to the rebels" provided for them in Syria.
None of this is stupidity as so many people claim, this has been a well orchestrated script, designed by some of the best Machiavellian minds western tax dollars can buy and military intelligence can muster.
The open borders, ebola crisis, Obamba care, is all related and we in the west will pay the ultimate price as it plays out.
If anyone seriously thinks we are fighting the good fight to save the world from the Nazi's as we did in WW2 isn't paying attention.
"The open borders, ebola crisis, Obamba care, is all related ..."
... you forgot The Illuminati, Templars, Skull and Bones and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Seriously though someone is cutting your crack with drano.
Colonialiste >
Hey benius listen up.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw
This is the person you side with, but disagree with.
good post, and a few in here need to read it and understand their lack of knowledge on the topic
and EBD has it correct when he states that Mike ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he ain't is as bad a shape as Knight99 who is also not the sharpest knife in his drawer, and he's in the spoon drawer
now to the poor dears who can't quite understand why we should be over there, it is because an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Once the dust has settled over there, then these nut jobs will turn their focus on the west, AND they will be trained and more skilled and better equipped then they are today. They could make 9-11 look like child's play. WW2 didn't happen because allies did some thing, the nut job nasiz were left alone until it was all most too late, and now the bright lites want to repeat that error.
Colanialista >
You can make up any trash you wish, I'm wealthy and well travelled having spent decades in many of these countries that we speak of. My arguments on the matter since 2010 have proven 100% accurate.
You opinions have proven worthless.
Worse you have the dyslexic antichrist on your side, nuff said.
So like a true Assad's useful idiot you side with Hitlery. I fail to see how this is a revelation.
I side with her? How?
Next thing you'll tell me that I side with Ogabe because I like Portuguese Water Dogs and hamburgers.
A quote for you:
"The only conspiracy is that there is no conspiracy, none cares whether you live or die. there, do you feel better now?" ~ Dennis Miller.
Sean at 7:40 got it right. Any infidel boots on the ground are viewed as enemy occupation. How would you feel if the Saudis sent in troops without your invite, because they decided your elections were not being conducted honestly and fairly.
I'm guessing you would be pi$$ed-off too and willing to take up arms to throw them out of your country.
"I'm wealthy and well travelled having spent decades in many of these countries that we speak of."
Yes yes, keep whipping out that CF-18 of yours while quoting Hitlery.
Your MIC heroes have been playing "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" games since the end of ww2. Vietnam, Afghanistan 1&2, and the Mideast since the first Gulf War, just to name the big ones.
Your heroes "prevention" hasn't produced any "cure", in fact there is clear evidence that it only made the situation worse.
The MIC billionaires sure have profited nicely haven't they? Did you?
Colonialista >
you side with her how?
After the Hillary and Obamba's "Arab Spring" they want to move on to Syria and topple Assad. Are you now saying that they should not topple Assad?
You also said that I'm full of sh*t in that Al Qaeda is a CIA invention, but you don't seem to have any comments about Shrillery stating that same statement directly to congress.
I am not sure I completely agree with you here, in a sense that I view Syria as a self-cleaning oven. Both sides fascists and islamofascists are equally reprehensible and are busy slaughtering each other, why stop it? However in Iraq the story is a different. Very simply the ISIS animals need to be taught a lesson that f***ing with the bog dog does not pay, they need to be exterminated, period. Besides Kurds have been a loyal ally and deserve support. No such allies in Syria, there was some democratic (for the lack of better word) opposition to Assad in the beginning but it is gone. Let the Saudi supported side and the Putin supported side sink as much resources in there as possible. No intervention form the civilized word can make this shothole better... without first nuking it from the orbit (it is an only way to be sure).
Had the discomfort of running a machine all day that can only pick up QR out of Calgary, had to endure the Joe Clark , (wrong side of every issue) of talk radio "Dave Taylor" interviewing this Salutin piece of work, he makes Mallice seem smart, twice as smart as Taylor to be sure. This cesspool called the Toronto Star sure has some winners on payroll, I guess it's like the wrestlers used to be, phoney as hell and you be the bad guy for a while to sell this tripe, the combination of QR and the Star was finally revealed this afternoon like I predicted they had amalgamated and both slunk to the lowest rung of the cesspool ladder of urnalism. All the apoligists for the ISIS headhunters does no good for the person losing their heads, I vote for little Turdo la Doo to be escorted to the outskirts of Damascus, gaurded by Angry Tom Mulcair, for a week of camping and bonding, take Suzuki along to provide save the planet lighting on this camping trip.
"Are you now saying that they should not topple Assad?"
You must be comprehension impaired. Why don't point me to where I suggested toppling Assad. Try to put your admiration for this fascist thug aside and point to where I suggest toppling him. Go on, take your time. Baby steps an all that.
"You also said that I'm full of sh*t in that Al Qaeda is a CIA invention, but you don't seem to have any comments about Shrillery stating that same statement directly to congress."
Ugh here is my comment: she is as full shit as you are.
Clear enough cupcake?
Nope it actually worked beautifully. Been to USSR lately?
... and if it failed it was always due to domestic fifth column (liberal and libertarian working in concerts as usual) rooting for the other side.
LOL clear as can be daisy duke,
I actually used to think you had some intelligent comments at times, well until I paid attention.......
Pretty friggen sad.
I think I'll manage to cope with the loss of respect from an Assad fanboy.
"Then along come the Islamic State thugs. They look and talk like you."
~Rick Salutin
Good enough for me. We should make a trivial distinction before killing all of you because why?
What trivial distinction would you make before killing or enslaving all of us?
While we're talking about making distinctions, what exactly was the distinction that al Qaeda made which ended in choosing death for all those people on September 11, 2001?
I didn't give a rat's rosy red root about Muslims before that day, and now I'm so heart sick and tired of the damned Muzzies that I'm willing to sanction killing all of you just so that we Infidels can get back, liberty wise, to how we lived on September 10, 2001.
"I think I'll manage to cope with the loss of respect............."
I'm not surprised, as they say practice makes perfect.
For anyone else who may have followed colonialista's silly threads, my comments have always been pro western, anti Islam.
Understanding Arabic and otherwise Middle Eastern tribal culture a little is key to understanding why a strong dictatorial leader is preferred by the Arabic masses. Libya's breakup into dozens of large tribal factions was predicted and proven well before Gaddafi's overthrow and by Gaddafi himself.
Void of a centrally agreed upon leader, these countries naturally fall into civil war or what we are seeing is Islam filling the power vacuum, where it had no legal powers before.
My concern is not for the arab countries, but our own countries that are being flooded with Islamic immigration and refugees along with open borders to the terrorists. Never mind the comment somewhere above that stated "let them sink as much resources....." we're the ones sinking resources into this. The Arabs have sweet f*ck all to begin with.
This leaves us with several domestic problems, one is a massive influx of Islam, two are potentials for real domestic terrorist treats, and three an excuse for our own governments to squeeze out our own freedoms and liberties - because we have terrorists in our midst!
I don't like Assad, I don't like any dictator period, but the alternatives are worse.
Obamba & Hillary have never done anything right. I boggles the mind that so called conservative people think they have it right "this time".
As someone else again pointed out on this thread, how rich and secure has any of this made you in the last several years?
In the end it's our tax dollars being wasted, our communities filling up with Islam, and our prosperity/ standard of living that will ultimately suffer.
Hah... By that 'logic' keeping elephants and tigers out of the Canadian Arctic was just as effective.
The Soviet Union did itself in, America's MIC Imperialism had little or nothing to do with it.
My concern is not for the arab countries, but our own countries that are being flooded with Islamic immigration and refugees along with open borders to the terrorists.
Exactly true, you nailed it. The muzzies are moving into the American Rust Belt, and other economically depressed regions in droves. The worst of America is ten times better that where they came from.
Once they have a political majority in their enclaves, and recruit the blacks as 'storm troopers' the conquest from within will begin. Many would say that Mr.Zero, the aspiring golf hero, planned it that way.
"Your MIC heroes have been playing "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" games since the end of ww2."
no they haven't, there is a huge difference between "prevention" and politics, which is what has played out, to a large extent, in those various "wars". Not only have the MICs benefited monetarily, so have many of the politicians, why do you think they play politics, rather than govern????
Made the situation worst??, are you god, or a fortune teller, or maybe some other special being of some sort that knows what things would be like if history had played out different?
Tell you what, Regan had it rite, bleed them into submission, and those very wars, at least the ones before 89, helped start that process. Now maybe you should go back to history class, and take Knight99 with you, puleez
Yah, and MMM (More Michael Moore) was to Cuba too, and like you he knows every thing about the land
Mike, temper, temper.
Rick Salutin belongs with the Jawas or whoever the hell they are bossing Syrian and Iraqi women around. That man puts the "idiot" in "useful idiot". What a nauseating little man.
You can stanch the flow of Islamist immigration all you like but if you have a post-modern Western country that will not defend its culture (ie- one that DOESN'T behead people), what's the use? Think about it. Japan bombed Pearl Harbour in 1941 and in 1945 the Japanese threw in the towel. We can't even mention the word "Islam" when speaking of terrorism. We have the means but not the will.
What Knightsaid about video of hillary. Clinton was. Reason most muslim never trusted American isreali and now canadaharper government of morality of job they did and still continue doing that. If we look at business man in US under capitalism can feel samee goal it means they sold weepan in majadedin in afganestan and used pakistani army plus sadam seecurity isil of iraq and new. Group in kordestan and syria isis and alqada from saudi to. Kill goals of american politic for sake of power and moneywealth but they never came to help muslim instead bring fenetic wahabi muslim grow to THEN use the same wepean to kill and identify good muslim to kill by them or any nonmuslimwho are. Good in area killed by them to corrupted islam and muslim then now they come to kill group after russia used to sell wepean and drugs in border to corrupt youth in muslim area and kill so many good in syria now when america make surethere is no more good muslim left they comee to kill alqada and isis and mojadeen by name fight. Against islam and muslim state which. Vs jewish state built by american saying we are good jew and christian and muslim are bad to world public that must run by athesim english and. Jews american such a mess!! Since 2011 fibi pay weeapon to onlykill good now they come to kill whom they sold weapen. Harper is stings! SOB and B american
maybe you should go back to history class
I could say the same to you about your opinion.
That sort of personal bulls h i t accomplishes nothing and adds nothing but acrimony to a discussion of opinions. Wise up.
learn about paragraphs and meaningless run-on sentences
"We can't even mention the word "Islam" when speaking of terrorism. We have the means but not the will." Well said.
It almost seems that many western leaders actually want the ISIL types to win and have a Lemming like attitude toward the inevitable. Some even, like Trudeau, are actually cheering them on by getting in bed with them. Mulcair is just exhibiting the same anti war for whatever reason attitude that socialists have exhibited since the run up to WWI.
My, my, some of are testy again. What is really surprising in this thread and this has shown up quite a bit lately on some topics is the outright animosity between commenters. There was a time when if the thread got skewed bad enough the offending comments all got vaporized. Gentlemen, keep it clean.
The point of this half-hearted effort to combat ISIL is that the leaders do not have the guts to go all out to fight these inhuman scum and are not sure if they want to fight them at all, there in the ME, or here at home. The half-hearted measure will ensure that we fight them at home in a mealy mouthed manner such as Great Britain is.
She'll never learn about either thing. English schools be raciss!
A move to deploy the A-10 to fight ISIS is a totally logical one, as there is no better aircraft for executing strike coordinated armed reconnaissance (SCAR) and close air support (CAS).
foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com%2Fthe-usafs-much-maligned-a-10-warthogs-are-deploying-to-1640395280
That's the role we should be covering, as well as precision bombing military targets.
Harper is right. No troops. "Infidel" troops only inflame an already tense situation.
Arm the side(s) we favor, and give them technical support, but stay the hell off the ground.
I wish Canada had a squadron of A-10s; THAT'S the way to kick their a$$es.
The Air Force's Rationale For Retiring The A-10 Warthog Is Bulls h i t
foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-usafs-rationale-for-retiring-the-a-10-warthog-is-bu-1562789528