At this point a slight left turn of the dimmer switch would finish him off:
An adamant Charlie Rose, on Thursday night, was astounded that there could be any opposition to the fight against climate change as he blurted: "Where is the resistance?! What stands in the way of something that clearly threatens the planet?"
Umm, science? Doing a bit of your own research?











I detect an air of desperation in the watermelon crowd as, despite of 17+ years of steadily increasing CO2 concentrations, the earth has been cooling instead of warming. All making perfect sense as Svensmark predicted as the sun enters a quiet period, cosmic ray flux incident on earth increases and generates more water nucleation particles which create more clouds which reflect more light away from the earth and we enter a little ice age.
The only sane countries in this classic example of the madness of crowds are Russia and China. I suspect that the Russians deliberately engineered CAGW as a means of destroying N. American and European economies as they are masters at asymetric warfare and play chess instead of checkers like Americans are wont to do. Chinese play Go which is requires even higher level strategic thought than chess. Gorbachev was one of the prime exponents of watermelon policies which have swept the west while Russia and China remain islands of sanity in a world bent on self-destruction.
France has the greatest extent of its power generated by nuclear power plants and one presumes the Gallic smugness represented by the watermelon politician is on the basis of France being the least dependent on fossil fuels. I expect that the European appetite for "alternative" sources of "green" power will disappear this winter if Putin decides it's time to teach the Euroweenies a lesson and cuts off natural gas supplies to Europe during what is likely to be another extremely cold winter. People who are watching neighbors freezing to death because of "climate disruption" are probably not going to be very receptive to statist propaganda that they must reduce their fossil fuel use in order to "save the planet". If one sees EU bureaucrats strung up from lamp standards and a duplication of the recent burning of a tax office by French farmers on a continent wide scale, one knows that the majority of the population has suddenly become aware of the extent of the fraud perpetuated by the oligarchs.
Western oligarchs would probably view a European winter die-off as positive as they view humans (except for themselves, their mistresses, servents and useful idiots) as a plague upon the earth in desperate need of culling. CAGW is just the latest attempt to create a worldwide totalitarian state by these plutocrats and, to counter it, one finds oneself rooting for Putin as Russia seems to be the only voice of sanity in this worldwide epidemic of insanity. (FWIW, I also consider Putin to be a megalomaniac psychopathic dictator but he leads a state where scientific progress is a key goal and, if one has to choose between a watermelon megalomanic psychopath (any of the US or European politicians) or a rational psychopath who believes that technologic solutions are key and discounts junk science, then Putin would be the best of a bad lot to come out on top).
The worst damage that the pseudo-science of environmentalism
inflicts is economic. When they fall for the myth that an
industrial economy can "Conserve" it's way to energy independence, the battle is already lost!
A growing population needs jobs, so without a growing industrial
sector, there are no decent jobs to be had. This damage is
done by embracing insane energy policies that refuse to
build new power plants and oil refineries. Cheap and abundant
energy is the life's blood of industry. Without it, economies
die with the exception of Starbucks and Tim Hortons jobs, but
when nobody can afford their products, what then?
I just spent more than 20 years in the industrial trades as a
Millwright, maintenance mechanic and industrial electrician.
The North American paper industry is collapsing due to
increasing energy costs. Visit this site and D/L the Excel
file. It is a list of all the mill closures and job losses
since 1990: http://www.pprc.info/html/millclosures.htm
This is happening in EVERY heavy industry across America
including mining, logging, metals, Aerospace, you name it!
High paying jobs that used to pay high school grads great
wages are now gone. In 1948, 34% of all private sector jobs
were union. Now it is less than 8%. This is welders, plumbers,
pipe-fitters, boiler operators, Millwrights, plumbers,
carpenters, etc.
The brain-dead trolls can rave about solar power all they
want, but they will be doing it on the unemployment line!
PS The people who will be hurt the worst are the college
grads who cannot find a job! While they rail against
capitalism, the one route out of poverty has been closed
to them. An apprentice Millwright makes close to 20
dollars an hour. A Journeyman makes 34 an hour plus
gold plated medical and dental. And every hour they
work, their employer whether working out of the hall or
for a steady employer, has about 4 dollars taxed and thrown
into a vacation fund. This means 2,3 or 4 thousand
dollars every six months.
Every year you work is worth 12 or 15 hundred dollars
a year in a pension fund. This is without a single dollar
contributed to a 401k. If you were willing to work a little
overtime, you could make $150,000 a year! Now, thanks to
the tree-huggers, it is a dying trade. Right now, if you
do not have 20 years in, your ass is on the couch!
Three great comments above.
Loki, nice to see you back. We missed you. Your suspicions about Russia engineering CAGW may have some merit. Certainly the somewhat Luddite anarco-communism CAGW movement, as one of the modern day radical leftist intellectual icons, Naomi Klein exemplifies, has had to have had some major force behind it. The finances and brainwashing efforts behind this movement are beyond the mental abilities of Al Gore and our fruit-fly guy.
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CAGW is just the latest attempt to create a worldwide totalitarian state by these plutocrats and, to counter it, one finds oneself rooting for Putin as Russia seems to be the only voice of sanity in this worldwide epidemic of insanity. ... if one has to choose between a watermelon megalomanic psychopath (any of the US or European politicians) or a rational psychopath who believes that technologic solutions are key and discounts junk science, then Putin would be the best of a bad lot to come out on top).
Excellent summary of the world situation today. At some point Canadians should wake up and realize that they have more in common with the culture of the Russians than any others in the world. Whether one likes him or not Putin is a leader, while the others are at best figureheads for the oligarchs that comprise the MIC. Putin is looking decades into the future, not a four year elected term, and will make Russia a major world power. Canada should consider it's allies carefully and not back a dead horse.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised that the Kremlin was behind the CAGW effort. It fits the pattern.
The effort to stop western nuclear power was just a ploy to restrict the west's ability to manufacture nuclear weapons.
Nuclear reactors are the only source of plutonium, deuterium and tritium. It's as simple as that.
FABIUS: ...we have to take the decision.
CHARLIE ROSE: Take the decision to?
FABIUS: Well, to, to halt, to stop this completely -
CHARLIE ROSE: Carbon in the air.
(Has anyone here noticed carbon grit in the air? In Beijing apparently it's so bad people can't breathe.)
FABIUS: Last time I was in Beijing...people couldn’t breathe in the street. And, and children couldn’t go to school. Therefore it’s an absolute necessity...
CHARLIE ROSE: Where is the resistance?! What stands in the way of something that clearly threatens the planet?
At times these people seem to be confusing carbon dioxide, a harmless trace gas essential to plant growth, which we all exhale, with the particulate matter and various fumes that constitute air pollution. It's a type of mania.
The effort to stop western nuclear power was just a ploy to restrict the west's ability to manufacture nuclear weapons. Nuclear reactors are the only source of plutonium, deuterium and tritium.
Not really, there's never been a shortage of materials for making nuclear bombs. There's nothing for Russia to gain by opposing more nuclear reactors in the US since there is already enough plutonium to kill everyone many times over. They might have opposed European nuclear to increase gas exports, but it wasn't necessary, Europe needs both nuclear and gas to meet current energy needs.
It's much more likely that the opposition to nuclear is funded and directed by international petroleum and coal interests.
What is a Charlie Rose? Anything like a Charlie Foxtrot?
I beg to differ. Putin is neither megalomanic nor psychopathic. Pushy, yes. He's a Russian nationalist.
The whole "Conservation of energy" argument is bogus. It's like telling a hungry man that the solution to his hunger is to eat less.
It's the Saudis behind it I suspect.
What Robert said, the Saudi's are behind most of the stuff that would give us freedom from them. Imagine not sending your $$$ to the middle east for your fuel. That's why they fund the anti oilsands BS.
Agree with this conflation of carbon with carbon dioxide. Carbon particulate in the air, aka pollution, is bad news to be sure. That being said, the major components of the smog which causes respiratory problems are ozone, sulfur and nitrogen oxides and ammonia. CO2 is harmless plant food. I doubt that Charlie Rose realizes that, like most human beings, the average concentration of CO2 in his lungs at rest is around five percent. Although given the way he and his fellow ninnies constantly hyperventilate themselves, it's probably lower.
"Conservation of Energy" and "energy conservation" are two very different ideas. The first is a Law of Physics, the second encompasses everything from EnergyStar to watermelon activism. /pedant
(Quote)President Obama, John Kerrey are completely dedicated. Obviously it is difficult for them to announce things now because you have the midterm election.(/quote)Fabius
CAGW doesn’t make sense for the majority of voters in any democracy, it only appeals to the select few that wish to join GORE as a billionaire after 2016. The communist reality is that dictatorial force is necessary for the UN world Government and their Carbon funding (world tax) agenda.
(Quote) It’s very difficult for Chinese because it’s a complete shift in their economy and they need growth. But the new element you are asking is that now people understand that it’s not only constraint, it can be an opportunity which is offered. Green growth, creation of jobs. It’s a new big thing. And particularly for, for the big business.(/quote}Fabius
We can conclude that economic “Growth” is not possible…and what the F does BIG BUSINESS mean if that business does not include economic growth…a bribe by any other name. The winning big business are crony capitalists, or crony communist’s in Brussels.
Greg, it's more than that. It's a wilful ignorance. The London pea-soup fogs disappeared because of electricity, higher temperature burning reactors a long ways away instead of lower efficiency coal furnaces in (and chimneys above) each house. Eastern Europe was far dirtier than the west in spite of / because of government diktats. It's not about will. It's about wealth. Not the concentrated wealth of a third world dictator with gold toilet seats, the diffuse wealth that makes residents of a nation comfortable they they won't freeze, or starve, or go without water.
The air in Chinese cities will improve when the general populace is rich enough that they can afford it, if they have the freedom to choose. People don't choose to cook with dung instead of natural gas on a given night, they use the best source of power available to them. Ditto furnaces. Ditto lights. Ditto transportation. Those who push wind and solar power are so comfortable with the power always being there that they have no comprehension of what will happen if it is no longer available to society. Those of a totalitarian bent are willing to impose it on others but fail to realize that when the power ultimately goes out, it goes out for them too. If the city goes dark, and they have a backup generator, the mob will come for them like moths to a flame.
We have lived with such a cheap supply of energy for such a long time that it has allowed the drones within our society to not only survive, but prosper.
Newly minted Alberta premier, Jim Prentice, was showing off his global warming boner for Barney Fife and crew on Question Period on CTV this morning. I like Prentice otherwise, but why isn't he leading the Liberal Party. I guess I'll stick with Wild Rose.
You won't get much argument from me there. Warmists like to use carbon and carbon dioxide interchangeably as if they're the same thing. I'm sure much of the time it's deliberate obfuscation. In the case of Charlie Rose though, maybe it's innocent ignorance. He looks to be easily confused to me. No doubt he's been absorbing global warming propaganda like a sponge for years.
Good one about hyperventilation, DrD. It's a fine way to get rid of all that nasty CO2, and enjoy the thrill of hysterical climate alarmism at the same time.
On a serious note, it's interesting that in the developed world genuine pollution has been greatly reduced while much of the rest of the world suffers greatly from it. And yet warmists continue to fixate on CO2 and blame it for every change in the weather.
warmists continue to fixate on CO2 and blame it for every change in the weather.
That's because the AGW cult is funded by the polluters to distract people from the real problem of toxic pollution.
That is the most brain-dead comment I have ever read in my
life John Galt (AKA North of 60!)
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