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I don't have an hour free currently. Does he explain why he supported phoney Libertarian candidate bankrolled by a big Obama donor, Servis, in the Virginia gubernatorial race?
Oops. "Sarvis".
I don't have an hour to spare either, but I will ask if you are certain that Servis was a Judas Goat? I would not be surprised in the least were it a case of Democrats and Republicans uniting to defeat a common enemy: Namely, Libertarians and "Tea Partiers". That would make a lot of sense.
I should have expanded a bit... It would not be a stretch that Servis is indeed authentic but the Repubs/Dems are using media to spread disinformation that he was a stooge.
George, so when will this start?
TN, the Texas billionaire that financed Sarvis' campaign was a big bundler for Obama. Draw your own conclusion. Curiously enough, it seems more Dem votes bled to Sarvis than did GOP votes.
Haven't watched the video, but I must say that people on the Right who are famous for supposedly being smart tend to annoy me.
The reason people are drifting to the libertarian side of the argument despite everything the entrenched Powers can do about it is simple.
Its TAXES.
When you already pay more than half your entire income in tax, and all anyone in power ever talks about is making you pay your "fair share", and you never ever see a suggestion that maybe taxes could stand to come down a bit... Gee, d'ya think people might start questioning that?
Why does drunk fat guy Rob Ford still have a following? Because he's the ONLY GUY in Ontario talking about lowering taxes.
Duh.
The McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance Reform sure ended the BIG MONEY control of election results, didn't it.
Thx Kate,
Repubs: "the Party of Ideas"
What an almost quaint notion.
GFW is correct when he notes the political/philosophical Right~Left difference is between (essentially) self confidence vs. selfishness (or, in other words, of the unknown future: optimism vs. fear). The oldest problem we naked apes have ever had.
Under-appreciated (but telling) phrase George notes: "affirmative action"
It is a variant on the 'should we DO something vs. doing nothing' poll you posted a few days ago.
As per above the point is not for actions to have (presumably successful) consequences, but for the imposed action to be the consequence.
c.f.: Canada's 'Human Rights' Tribunals
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"America is moving in the libertarians' direction,"
If that's true, Libertarians are essentially leftists in disguise.
No need to waste an hour listening to him.
Libertarians are hippies who don't want a cop stepping on their neck and don't want to be broke all their lives.
As Camille Paglia said recently, the great scandal of America is that the hippies and peaceniks haven't all risen in revolt against Obama.
My rejoinder to Camile was that she had made the mistake of thinking the American Left as a whole meant anything that they'd said for the last 80 years. Also that its just easier to hate the squares than it is to THINK for two seconds about what you're doing, and after all that dope your average hippie can't think too well anyway.
Libertarian - so that's what they are calling nihilistic hedonism with the requisite state support now a days.
Actually George, we have won the debate-we've won EVERY debate. The left is wrecking America and Conservatives did much the same during the Bush years. The left has totally detached itself from reality while Cons resort to whining and irrelevant culture war battles re se above in whining about Sarvis (only candidate worth voting for) and 'nihilistic hedonism'. Conservatism is a 50-year failure and Cons consistently prove my handle correct.
PS Why is the filter holding up my excellent link to Rand Paul's article in the Reader Tips?
For those pressed for time, try a libertarian condensed version (a quickie?). Penn Jillette - a tee-tolling, hedonist, atheist libertarian. 2 minute video.
In libertarianism, the basic philosophy is more important than whether you agree with the legalization of individual "vices". Libertarians aren't a uniform group nor do they expect that of other libertarians, unlike progressives and social conservatives who viciously attack those who even mildly disagree on political and social issues. A good quote is "everyone agrees with a libertarian on at least one issue but no two libertarians ever agree with each other".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUjzrS6jwiw
In other words, Libertarians do what's right in their own eyes. Which is, basically, what leftists do.
No foundation, except their mortal 'self'.
Or, George, could it be that when pressed, no elected (nor any non-libertarian) Republican can identify which federal agency they would advocate eliminating. The same could be said of the conservative progressives in Canada (Wheat Board, LG registry, tokens excepted).
All remaining liberty will be eventually lost unless the "conservatives" fall in with libertarians and the reason is that voters who want less government but have a visceral dislike or fear (whether rational or not) of so-cons will otherwise stay home or vote with the most mushy-middle (but more secular) alternative.
So-cons are free to use moral suasion in a free society but within a tyranny, not so much. The future will legalize pot and continue allowing abortion no mater which way so-cons vote. You're only choice is whether or not the state will sanction and fund these personal choices and whether you're allowed to speak freely about them. It's up to you folks.
That should read "Your only choice" not "You're...". My bad.
Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying. Good for you for putting so much thought and insight into your reply. Absolutely right, there is no way a person can be both libertarian and moral. Every classical liberal and libertarian writer and politician in history has had zero integrity, was unethical, had no revolutionary thoughts about the nature of freedom, no redeeming personal qualities at all really. Complete immoral bast**ds each and every one. Morality being defined, in your world, as using the government to force you to live they way so-cons and progs agree with and have your income taxed at whatever level they require to fund their social engineering projects and ill-advised wars (military and social/culture wars).
Being moral is only as good as your definition. Morality defined by 'self' will favor 'self'. Just like leftists.
Have a nice trip.
Morality defined by 'self' will favor 'self'.
ITT people who are ignorant of what libertarians believe set up strawmen and take them down. Bonus: they also demonstrate they don't understand leftists.
Relying on others to define morality, thoughts and actions for you actually explains a lot of the dysfunction and extremism occurring in both the far right and far left. The inability to think for oneself and discern right from wrong is a very disabling condition : "I was just following orders".
Heh, certainly is disabling for those who have no foundation from which to determine right from wrong.
the word is LIBERALTARIANS, and that says it all, and if I may use LASsie as an example, they tend to be mostly stupid people disconnected from reality. A conservative is a person who believes in accountability, they hold ppl and themselves accountable for their actions, so, LC Bennett, "I was fallowing orders" does not cut it in a real cons world, and that is why I got the boot from the CAF, I was/am and independent thinker:-))))
certainly is disabling for those who have no foundation from which to determine right from wrong.
Like you.
I like the Libertarians. They tend to want to leave everyone alone and expect them to take responsibility for their actions, which is more than you can say about the Democrats and Republicans.
I think The Phantom nailed it. People are moving that direction because they are sick of taxes and more importantly seeing taxes piddled away on bureaucratic fiefdoms. Moreover people are sick and tired of the religious right trying to tell others what to do as much as they are tired of the PC left trying to tell others what to do.
As far as I see it Democrats and Republicans are both hypocrites.
Cuccinelli lost because his views on gays is ancient and it allowed him to be portrayed in a negative manner even though his other positions were very much valid. Republicans of that vein keep failing and then wondering why.
Wow, what an awesome interview. Thx for sharing. I've just gotta say every time I hear Moynahan quoted I find myself wondering how this guy was a Democrat. If he were alive today he'd be vilified by his own party and likely a good chunk of repubs as well!
NME666;
Worthy thoughts but do they stand up. At times in history I suppose they do. We created Reform by rejecting Mulroney but I suspect there are conservatives today who still reject that move. Over the years I have seen many conservative governments who abandoned fiscal conservatism for political expediency. Does PMSH's promise of a 'balanced budget' bill make up for Reform's 'Citizen Initiatives' being abandoned? What better counter to entrenched political group think than the citizen's right to initiate legislation?
I always thought that after the Meech Lake defeat that Canada's citizens would never receive another opportunity to have a referendum vote again. To date I am right. Of course we all know that the average Canadian isn't aware or smart enough to be trusted with such responsibility. Since Oprah or her ilk form the opinion of most North Americans maybe I should not have faith in them.
IMO the appeal of Libertarianism is reducing the size, cost and scope of government. Perhaps a naïve thought as the collapse of the middle class will certainly drive people to those who promise more for nothing.