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National Post;

Parliament's language watchdog is concerned that the Harper government's plans to celebrate upcoming anniversaries of Confederation and military events from the two world wars may spark some "ugly" linguistic wars.

In his latest annual report to Parliament, Graham Fraser, the commissioner of official languages, said the anniversaries should serve as an opportunity for public education, while recognizing conflicting narratives in Canadian history.

"Events like the First World War stimulate different recollections, with memories of heroic sacrifice coexisting uneasily with stories of conscription, anti-French-Canadian insults and soldiers shooting on anti-conscription rioters in Quebec City," Fraser wrote in the report, tabled on Thursday.


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What the hell do we need a language watchdog for? It's nothing but another bureaucratic vehicle to fuel "linguistic" wars.

That we still have such a functionary, swelling the ranks of our Kleptocracy, encourages me even more to stop paying taxes.
Production is grinding to a halt here as the regulation,imposition and theft by the likes of this useless parasite, make it near impossible and very unpleasant to earn a living.
However the future is bright,as we are all considered to be and treated as criminals by these elected and appointed elites, the career of the future is crime.
If you are a successful criminal you contribute nothing to the public purse.
If you fail, the system guarantees you will get a roof over your head, three meals a day, colour TV,internet free,medical,dental....
Where as to continue as a taxpayer guarantees you will be robbed at an ever increasing rate, imposed upon by an ever expanding group of morons and expected to comply with ever more asinine safety fantasies.

"Do not steal your Government hates competition" .

even more useless than an on-the-take senator.

I think what I'll remember is that we had our foot on your throat and we made the mistake of letting you back up.

I would have less trouble with a Graham Fraser as a civil servant in the Department of Heritage or some other shop providing advice to the Government about its language policies, but this type of office he runs is, essentially, bloated, unaccountable, and self-serving. He seems to think it his business to comment on any and every initiative by the government.

What do you mean by "Go, Already"?

Don't you realize the Commissioner of Official Languages is an English Canadian oaf?

Does Graham Fraser sound French to you?

Roughly thirty percent of Canada's population is francophone. Does this statistic warrant my caring about this greatly? Nope. Perhaps Fraser should re-think how much he wants to push this.

So, as if imposing "bilingualism" (frenchification), or wasting literally 100's of billions of taxpayer dollars on this poisonous, inherently racist social engineering scheme favouring the french talker wasn't enough, now the marxist dipshit representing the french language industry demands the Government impose a collective amnesia on the Canadian public as well. Well, we don't want to offend the minority french talker with unpleasant historical facts now, do we. What an A-Hole! What other historically relevant facts should the Government declare illegal Mr. Fraser? We certainly don't want to hurt anyones "feelings", especially french talkers. The Government should immediately close down the official french language office representing the taxpayer funded french language industry and hire a team of auditors for the purpose of informing Canadians exactly how much of their money has been flushed down the corrupted bilingual toilet over the last 40 years... or would that also be "too divisive", or perhaps hurt someones "feelings". What a racket!

War is ugly ("war is all cruelty and can't be refined", said Sherman)
and in war there are always ugly cruel events which can be
remembered if one chooses. For myself I will think of
Gen. Georges Vanier, wounded in action in WW I, later a diplomat
and then Governor-General, and whose son will likely be sainted
one day - which will ensure that the name "Vanier"
never passes leftist lips.

I believe the reference to "go already" was in reference to the unilingual french "nation of Quebec", and that the head of the french language industry in Canada, Mr. Fraser, is free to go with the unilingual french "nation of Quebec".

"Recognizing conflicting narratives".
There in is the problem.
A laurentian elite bureaucrat that spouts the two solitudes even to this day.
I would have thought that after the house vote establishing that Quebec could retain its nationalism as long as it remained part of Canada, public policy would have neccessitated that the commissioner recognize only one version of history.
Fire
Them
All
Every one.

Too funny John Robertson...but sadly enough too true.

Why is the name George plural in french?

Osumashi Kinyobe "Roughly thirty percent of Canada's population is francophone."

Closer to 20%. As the oil patch worker from Quebec said to me with a pea soup accent "French is a dead language"

Who is this Fraser guy and what is his damage? The French are perfectly aware of their cowardice in WWI so what's the problem?

That's right let's rewrite or stifle history so some feelings won't be hurt. People these days, it seems, just want those darn participation awards without actually having participated. We owe it to those that served to tell these foucks to fouck off.

bverwey thanking those Canadians that served and died in Holland so I could live.

Commissioner of Official Languages? How Orwellian!
And what the hell does language have to do with acknowledging historical events?

In days of yore from Britain's shore
Wolfe dauntless hero came and planted firm Brittana's flag on Canada's fair domain,
Long may she wave, our boast, our pride, and join in love together,
The thistle, shamrock, rose entwined
The Maple Leaf Forever!

Stick that where the sun don't shine Fraser.

It's called Remembrance Day, not Celebration Day. Opposition to Remembrance Day, in most forms such as the white poppy nonsense, stems from Lenin and his flawed belief that imperialism causes war as capitalist seek new markets. A third year politics student can easily refute this idea, as I did many years ago.

The garbage argument that recognizing the sacrifice of veterans and their very real contribution to our freedom is celebrating war gets posited this time every year; apparently it's ok for a leftie to be mean spirited and deny the reality of Remembrance Day. They refuse to accept that freedom is and will always be won with blood and treasure. They arrogantly assume their pacifist ideas are the road to peace - appointing themselves to a higher level of intelligence and morality - when history resoundingly repudiates them and demonstrates their one-dimensional "thinking."

They hate our nation and everything it stands for, so who cares what they think. BTW many Quebeckers have admiration for our military, including their own VanDoos who have performed heroically for Canadians' freedom. Frankly I don't hear a lot of this crap coming from Quebec, just left-wing lunatic "think tanks" like the Rideau Institute and the well-known statist/Marxist (they are essentially the same thing IMO) Graham Fraser.

Mr. Fraser is out of line and, I think, out of his depth. The official observances and remembrance of the Great War is not going to consist of sociological workshops to examine the feelings of the French-Canadian population. The French-Canadians strengthened Canada's identity first in the 5,000 strong 22 Battalion CEF later to become the Royal 22e Regiment and then in the second world war with several French-Canadian regiments and soldiers storming through their ancestral homeland. Whingers please stay home and wallow in your self-pity. This will be a time to recognise and celebrate the enormous achievements of the Canadian Corps of the First British Army (almost two-thirds of whom were from the UK)in Victory and strengthening a burgeoning Canadian identity. What is ,is Mr. Fraser.

// The French are perfectly aware of their cowardice in WWI so what's the problem? //
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The start next year of several years' worth of 100th anniversaries should be an excellent opportunity for you to learn some history.

dizzy "The start next year of several years' worth of 100th anniversaries should be an excellent opportunity for you to learn some history."

And you might learn that when 1/3 of the population provides 1/48 of the infantry there might be a backbone issue involved. I have heard all the excuses as to why but they are all crap.

30% is really rough, its more like 22%

and that includes the ROC.

capitulation appears to be genetic. seems the second world war was over in moments in France.


and just a note. there are more votes west of ontario than east of it . not more seats yet , but more votes.

In 2011 French language was the primary language of 20.61 % of the population. 18.87 % of Canada consists of Quebec French. We have spent 2 generations grovelling over what is now 18.87 % of the population. This also explains why the French fact in Canada has become irrelevant in forming a federal government.

The Official Languages Tsar also said he laments the "subtle erosion" of bilingualism. Me too.....I wish it was "full tilt erosion".

So TRUTH and HISTORY offend French Canadians?

You don't say?

What is it in todays society, that being honest is so offensive?

Be a shame if some little Montreal OWS peacenik found out that his great grandad was a wuss too.

Yeah cuz like this government would be screwed without that all-important francophone vote. Oh that guy died. Sorry.

Yeah well, perhaps because I spent a time with the Real Legion, I must point out that the French Canadian Militia did an outstanding job of evicting an invading American Army during the 1812-14 War. The somber masses of Verdun, not only stopped the Kaisers Army but prevailed in that dreadful battle of attrition.

Verdun proved for eternity that the French had grit.

Germany lost WW1 at Verdun and France lost the Battle of France a generation later as a result of the losses at Verdun.

I'm not an apologist, that's just reality.

I would conjecture that it is following Latin Georgius from Greek Geōrgios.
Wikipedia comments that it was an epithet of Zeus in Athens: Zeus Geōrgos being specifically
the god of crops and harvests. It became a common name for ecclesiastical figures, and
then popularized through Saint George (Άγιος Γεώργιος).

scar


and then you deduct those Canadians who have a French heritage but consider themselves as "only Canadian", and what have these fools really got, not much. Back in 95 I had 3 French Canadian tenants and their were harder on the separtists than use non-frenchies (BTW I have euro-frog in my heritage:-))))

No doubt many French Canadians came to Canada to avoid the draft. So they moaned and
whined about it in WW I. Had they remained a colony of France, they would have known real
war, hot and hard. In France, WW I was viewed as a struggle with Germany to the death.
Something like half of the entire generation of young Frenchmen perished. As Churchill
remarked, Georges Clemenceau as French Prime Minister intended to beat the Germans,
and would allow no person and no institution to prevent victory. "Tout le monde a la guerre",
"everyone to the war", he said, and meant it. He was justly known as "the tiger".
Churchill described a typical speech in front of the National Asssembly - Clemenceau
"looked like a wild animal pacing to and fro behind bars" in front of "an assembly which
would have done anything to avoid putting him there, but, having put him there,
felt they must obey".

The idea so common among Canadian ignoramuses that WWI was an English affair couldn't be
further from the truth.

Sometimes Kate I become embarrassed by the lack of understanding or history or just intolerance with comments made here.

As I have mentioned several times over the years Quebec should move off on it's own for a while or for ever, but if I have denigrated any individual who participated in maintaining freedom I will apologize. Cheers;

In previous remarks it was not my intention to belittle the many fine French Canadian soldiers
in WWI, WWII, etc., of which Georges Vanier was one.

As you say, the French Canadian militia is a major reason why we are not worshipping Barack
Obama's posterior today.

Anonymous, they can "go already" because there is not enough of them for me to worry about. The French already had protections for their language (not the entirety of their culture, I might add). Thanks in part to Trudeau pere, the political French became tyrants about it.

Scar, I got the statistics from Statistics Canada:

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/as-sa/98-314-x/98-314-x2011003_1-eng.cfm

There were French-Canadians who distinguished themselves for their country- Canada (not Quebec as it was not nor will ever be a country). I'm sure this upsets the narrative of some.

I don't believe you can denigrate our French Canadian Regiments or the French in France. Even under the Vichy government the French underground gave the Nazis plenty of work to do and were instrumental in helping the Allied cause leading up to D-day and beyond.
The anti-war sentiment in Quebec fueled in part by the RC Church engendered some of the exasperation in the ROC. There were plenty of anecdotal stories of our men in uniform being disrespected as they traveled through Quebec during the war. Pierre Trudeau taking a pass on WWII was not that unusual for a French Canadian of his generation.

When my grandfather was going overseas to the First World War, the train he and his fellow soldiers were on had to stop in Montreal before moving on to Halifax.

During the time that they waited, their train was pelted and covered with eggs and tomatoes by the same attitudes that exist today in Quebec. Nothing has changed.

I have no doubt that the majority of Quebecers are fine people but for some reason they keep voting in these anti-Canadian political "leaders".

If they are going to leave, let's get on with it.

It's all about Quebec, Daniel. Get it now?

"...but you shoot ONE rioting frog..."

Fraser's comments are way out of line. What he refers to with regards to attitudes towards war is a cultural issue, not a language one. If he's trying to expand the scope of his office, he should be roped in tout de suite.

That's a great comment, as always. And from Oxford County; who knew? (Joking, of course.)

"...the Harper government's plans to celebrate upcoming anniversaries of Confederation and military events from the two world wars may spark some "ugly" linguistic wars", according to Mr. Fraser.

It rather seems to me that Mr. Fraser's comments are far more likely to spark "some" "ugly" linguistic wars than anything Mr. Harper has done. What's the "some" mean? Does the country have the resources for "some"? How about one all-out linguistic "war"? Much more efficacious, really, don't you think? And which would be what, exactly? Ridiculously incomprehensible. And why's he saying this, precisely? Back-to-the-future? The Walking Dead (meaning Trudeaupian Liberals, not the French language, although I do take note of scar's comment at 5:14 p.m.)? Revenge of the Nerds? What?

Several weeks back, we watched the announcement and signing of the CETA agreement-in-principal. Mr. Barroso led off, delivering all of his remarks in, er, English. As Mr. Harper took the microphone, I said to my wife, "Guaranteed, he'll start in French." Which he did, and she laughed. And then some RDI/Radio Canada reporter started in, in French, about supply management in the dairy sector. Mr. Barroso jumped in, literally cutting Mr. Harper off, and took the response, all in French (better than his English, actually).

I note that Denis Lebel, Minister of Transport, is Mr. Harper's seat-mate in the Commons, and always laughs the loudest and is first on his feet, at the PM's answers during the, um, "Senate expense scandal".

One of the most useless eaters in government is the "official languages commissioner". With machine translation becoming a reality, it's time to rid the snivel service of French traitors whose only qualification is that they speak frog. If Quebec is determined to go its own way, then what possible use is it to have products in portions of the country where primarily English, Ukrainian, Punjabi and Cantonese are spoken to have space taken up for text in a language which is used by only a tiny minority of the worlds population?

As far as I'm concerned, Quebec nationalists can fester in their self-created ghetto while the rest of the world passes them by. For myself, being multilingual means speaking English, Ukrainian, FORTRAN, C, Croatian, Lisp. Visual Basic and various dialects of assembly language. Every one of the non-computer languages listed, has not been obsessed with creating official neologisms for technologic terms in which the vast majority of the worlds languages simply import the terminology from English. Languages are not fossilized structures that one keeps in hermetic containers cooled to liquid He temperatures so that they will never change; they are dynamic living entities. English readily absorbed a huge amount of French following the Norman conquest and some of the most absurd examples of bistupidity are having the same text expressed twice on signs. This idiocy is required by law and that is one of the first laws that should be consigned to the dustbin of history, that is if PMSH had the balls to do so.

The obsessive French are similar to those insisting that Esperanto will be the language of the future. Such individuals reflect the psychopathology of top-down authoritarians who are under the delusion that they can direct the linguistic development of a population of autonomous individuals. Language is just a tool that one uses for communication, and for those of us who grew up multilingual, the primary language we use internally is the assembly language of the mind which needs to be translated into various less expressive languages for communication with other people. To have an unreasoning and psychotic view that ones language represents the totality of ones culture should be viewed as psychopathology rather than being an official part of the government of Canada.

Conflicting narratives, like how Quebec males were allowed to sit out the wars cause they were "All farmers" not cowards????

Old family friend who served in Canadian forces always got upset talking about marching French Canadian conscripts onto ships in Halifax harbor, at gun point.

Watching a doc the other day about Patton's breakout from Normandy and the advance on Paris. Many troop dairies commented on the hostile reception they received while liberating towns along the way.

My mother-in-law recently spent time rehabbing in a care home. One particular gent who most were finding hard to take was telling residents that he spent time fighting in Russia as part of a Dutch unit that volunteered into the German Army. As I was leaving the home I met another Dutch gentleman who I knew had been captured by the Germans in Holland and tortured for information.

In everyday life we wonder how the communist got such a foothold in the MSM. I suspect much of it came thru the WW II war effort when the Russians were allies. What doesn't appear in most history books are stories of the millions of Euros, non-Germans, who volunteered in the German army to fight the Communists.

Well said, both you and Sasquatch. De Salabury is one of the Canadian heroes of the War of 1812. Just as much as Brock, Laura Secord, and Tecumseh are.

Just as in every ethnic group, there are good people and bad people. Frazer is way out of line.

A number of Dutch anti-communist National Socialists joined the SS Volunteer Unit Neiderlande.

I'm not surprised at this. Similarly to the Canadian Standards Association expansion of it's mandate, the Language Commissioner is attempting to expand his so that he can rule not only on which languages you must use, he gets to control what you are saying in those languages.

"Twit" is one of the less vulgar words that comes to mind.

Furthermore, I do not have the time to look it up at the moment, but there was a French Waffen SS unit fighting the Russians in Berlin during the last days of WW II.

The above mentioned Dutch SS unit was also in the Waffen SS, not the concentration SS.

I believe it was Charlemagne..and the Dutch were in SS regiment "Westland", part of SS Panzer Division Wiking if I recall correctly..

Actually I think we are both right. In 1943, after Mussart objected about Dutch members being in a Scandinavian unit, the Dutch members of the Wiking Division were transferred and joined with the SS Volunteer Neiderlande Brigade, which had been in the North-East front, and transferred the combined unit to police duties fighting Titoist partisans in Yugoslavia.

This is not really significant as far as the topic is concerned, except for the French part of my comment in that some a number of French anti-communists also joined the Waffen SS and fought bravely in Berlin in April 1945.

French men are no different than any other nationality of men. If led well, they fight well. The flower of French youth died at Verdun.

The attitude of many Quebecers has nothing to do with bravery, but a lot to do with political leadership and generations of an anti-English attitude festering like a boil.

Frazer is still out to lunch.

Whenever I think that there can be nothing more frivolous than the flushing of taxpayers' dollars to keep the feckless CBC afloat, something like this comes along. Do we really have the resources to keep paying for useless crap like this? I, for one, think not.

Wasn't WWI when Berlin Ontario was renamed Kitchener as a special kick in the teeth to German-Canadians?

Wow so much hate

I am curious to know how many of thoses who qualify French-Canadian as "wus or coward" have serve in the army ?

The fact that French-Canadian where against the conscription is they had a ressentement toward british crown not against a fight for our native land. Plus google WWII soldier Leo Major, no other Canadian soldier come even close to his accomplishment. I love this country but Quebec bashing only help separatist. French-Canadian greatly contribute to Canada's unique culture. If a american posted on this forum that peoples of Alberta are a bunch of idiot redneck with brag about sandoil like if they had made it ... luck is no reason to proud, but you can be happy about it

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