Two Canadian Greenpeace activists jailed more than a month in Russia will be moved to a less remote but not necessarily less harsh prison, the environmental organization said.
Paul Ruzycki, of Port Colborne, Ont., and Montrealer Alexandre Paul, along with 28 other activists, have been in custody 45 days in Murmansk, in the frigid northwestern part of the country, in what Greenpeace photos show to be spartan conditions.
For those who wish to write the Russian Embassy to urge for their continued detention, the address is here. Or, follow them on Twitter!
What the hell is wrong with the Russians?
Less remote?
They should be taken to the farthest reaches of the Siberian wilderness and made to labor in Russia's growing logging industry.
Russian Embassy - "Give them a fair trial and give them some of that hospitality Russia is famous for - about 10 years. Better you have them that us."
Have no fear K99. I work with a Russian ex-pat (well educated dude too - he was a physicist over there). He claims that the prison they are currently in, while remote, is not nearly as nasty as many other Russian prisons. There's still hope!
Funny how the Russians recognize Greenpeace as a threat to their economy, but in the Western press their malevolence is celebrated.
The Russians have struck a blow for civil society, and their activities against Greenpeace should be encouraged. The arrest of the Greenpeace activists was very peaceful on the part of the Russian Coast Guard, and they have been kept in humane detention.
It should be noted that the Greenpeas were engaged in criminal trespass on private property, and anyone who is inclined to call for their release might be wise to remember that if this behavior is tolerated, Greenpeace can trespass on their private property whenever, and wherever they wish.
Note sent to Russian embassy. Also offered to send them many more of our environmental lunatics for cold storage in Siberia if the Russians were interested.
One way tickets to Club Gitmo.
I would suggest about 400 kilometers north of Irkutsk, just a little north-east of the northern tip of Lake Baikal. Approximately from the area that the true story of the men that escaped a labour camp and walked to India in the early 1940s. I believe the book was called"The Long Walk", and the movie, "The Way Back". Let us see if these Eco-fascists can walk home from there.
I'm confused,
Why do these Greenpeace types want to go to St. Petersburg? From what little I know of the first jail, it is a true utopia for the low carbon footprint lifestyle. It must be the Russians pushing this, subjecting them to the torture of a high carbon footprint gulag!
As environMENTALists they should feel good about freezing in the dark and having no creature comforts like warm showers,or indoor toilets.
I call on Prime Minister Harper to demand the release of the Greenpeace patriots under threat of War!
No sense pussyfooting around,let's call out the big guns and go at 'em if they don't release our beloved activists as soon as possible.
Maybe we can call on Ambassador Rick Mercer to deliver the declaration of war at 8 AM PST, while our waves of fighter/bombers are already on their way from our Carrier fleet to blow the hell outta Murmansk!
It's been done before,though in a warmer climate. Damned Russkies! ;-)
(Who ever said we don't have diversity of opinion here at SDA)
I was thinkin of demanding the Ruskies explain how it is they erred in capturing these fools alive!!!!
Just waiting for CBC to make this PM Harper's fault.
Allow them the freedom to look after themselves. Put them in an un insulated cabin with only a wood/ coal stove for heating and cooking. Have them chop through ice to get their water and ice fish. A hand mill for grinding grain. Live chickens to slaughter for meat. etc, you get the idea. See how long their eco ideas last.
Also tempt them with the aromas of gourmet food (McDonalds, Wendy's, KFC.)
mid island mike
Since the piracy charges have already been lowered to hooliganism and the max for that is 7 years, we can only hope they spend at least the winter living the fossil free lifestyle they are fighting for. I have asked the Russians to grant them their wish in the name of global relations.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/russia-drops-piracy-charges-against-greenpeace-activists-files-hooliganism-charges-instead/article15021074/
Karma can be such a bitch.
This could be the beginning of something good.
Perhaps Russia would put in a bid to take care of all our enviro=Mentalists.
Who knew the gulags would turn out to be useful as real reeducation camps.
Perfect, as the life described by the poor bastards who were incarcerated in them, is exactly what these green nutjobs keep insisting is what they desire.. for us.
Retributive justice is necessary when dealing with these kind of mental defectives.
How true, they're probably living in more extravagant conditions than they want for the rest of us.
Ok, you had until you called the FF's 'gourmet food'.
But mind you come Feb or so likely even I'd find KFC appealing instead of nauseating.
St Petersburg!?
I'm jealous.
Leave well enough alone. They can rot in Murmansk as they await its imminent conversion to tropical paradise.
They can start a band while in prison, and name themselves "pussy and dick riots", Putin just loves those pussy rioters. Ha Ha cannot laugh enough, if we could only get the whole CBC and TorontoRed Star media to go over to Russia to cover their plight, poor babies.
Club Gulag is what is in their future.
Warm weather will be a distant memory and a happy dream.
a delegation please. Dizzy Lizzie May, Olivia Chow and Dr.Fruitfly and Keifs Kid Justin.
Apparently the Russians have a gulag labour camp museum called Perm 36. Every museum needs some 're-enactors' to make it more authentic. In this way the idiots could work off their debt to Russian society, learn a useful skill (cutting logs into lumber) and the museum would be more authentic. Everybody wins, including those of us in Canada who don't have to listen to the whiners.
I'm sure Murmansk will be warm and sunny because of AGW. So why complain?
I'd rather see them transferred to 2 Dzerzhinsky Square.
Ken (Kulak) will know what I mean.
I have Emailed the Embassy asking for the maximum jail time for these eco terrorists. Those throw backs to the sixties and seventies are costing us too much money in lost man hours and other production. Those losses are charge to us at the pumps and on our other energy bills. It's not cute and noble anymore, it's a horrible cost to all of us at a time when most cannot afford to buy anything that is not on sale at a great discount.
Oh my! Not a good address!
Robert Conquest writes that among Stalin's political prisoners the word was that the less well run
the prison, the farther it was from Moscow and Leningrad, the safer it was. I would imagine that
the Murmansk prison is largely for sobering up drunken sailors. The prisons in St. Petersburg
presumably have a considerable number of professional criminal inmates, who were the real
hell for other prisoners in the Communist era. Anyway, "our" Pussy Rioter
Nadezhda Tolokonnikova certainly isn't
enjoying her time in prison. Maria Alyokhina, Tolokonnikova's associate, is also in prison and
reportedly annoyed her fellow prisoners so much that she had to be put in solitary. BTW,
Wikipedia says that Alyokhina is a Greenpeace activist!
Damn! I'm feeling like a Stalinist! "Give `em ten more years"!
I say let em go early but they gotta forfeit that nice expensive ship.
You are right about that. My second cousin's father made it to the Grey House in the city of Orenburg and then straight to the mass grave outside the city...where trees were planted to hide the grave, and today the trees have the names of known victims on them, as well as a monument at the entrance.
Both of my great uncles ended up and died in one of the associated camps in the Perm 36 area. One of them first spent five years working on the White Sea canal...no union wages either.
John Lewis, all true. Conquest's "The Harvest of Sorrow" is one of the best on this topic.
Another thing of it is that we know from David Suzuki's and Al Gore's words that they would just love to put us into a Gulag if they could get away with it, and actually, would prefer a hole with trees planted over the filled in hole.
I recommend they be confined here: "K-28, a maximum-security Russian penal colony, is located in Yertsevo, in the northern Arkhangelsk region near the Arctic Circle. It was once part of a cluster of camps founded in the late 1930s as part of the Gulag system. Today, it houses over 1,000 prisoners, many of whom were convicted on murder or terrorism charges."
My father was a 'guest' at this gulag from 1939 until the formation of Anders Army in 1942.
Hey I'm startin' to reconsider my opinion of the ruskies.
First vladdie kicks sand in zero's face over Syria and then he arrests the green piecers. Go Vlad!
Off to the Kolyma arctic camps with them
Yes, I'm sure that the Greenpeace thugs will soon give up any notion of Anthropogenic Global Warming after they have experienced the 'climate change' of Arkhangelsk!
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Is there a site where we can apologise to the Russian people?.. And thank Putin for his stance on Islam?
I'd like their address (if their allowed mail), send them copies of our overly priced hydro bills this winter. I'll remember to thank them, every month.
@Happy Infidel
Hey, don't be so happy about Putin, he is not your friend. God forbid you standing in his way sometime in the future.
John70, agree about Putin being a totalitarian, but in this case, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Wonder if they are allowed to receive care packages?
Bet lots of Russian cigarettes, Canadian salty snacks,
and canned Newfoundland seal meat would be welcome
to use in trade for more vegan lasagna.
I wouldn't be surprised if 100's have sent letters asking them to not be sent back to Canada.
The only people happy about the gays in Egypt coming back. Where John Baird with the Media Party. Most folks , even Liberals at work wanted them to stay.
Russians should explain to the Greenpeace pirates that they heating their cells with wind and solar energy.
I hope Vlad dosen't steal the "Statesman of the Year Award" from Harper in 2014.
Well, maybe they could share a little.
" to urge for their continued detention"
I know that you're basically joking, but it makes me a bit uncomfortable anyhow. The LAST thing conservatives and libertarians should be advocating is imprisoning people who disagree with us politically. That's precisely what we fought against throughout the 20th century. Leave that sort of tyranny to the Left. I disagree *vehemently* with what Greenpeace et al say, but I'd defend to the death their right to say it.
Hopefully the Russians are just trying to teach them a lesson, and hopefully they'll learn it. They do NOT deserve to be in prison for a long time, even though they trespassed etc. Everyone on earth knows that this was a political statement (albeit a foolhardy one) and not "piracy".
" to urge for their continued detention"
A French journalist under the pen name Olivier Vermont wrote in his book La Face cachée de Greenpeace .
According to Vermont he found misconduct, and continued to find it, from Amsterdam to the International office.
Vermont said he found classified documents to which half of the organization's € 180 million revenue was used for the organization's salaries and structure.
He also accused Greenpeace of having unofficial agreements with polluting companies where the companies paid Greenpeace to keep them from attacking the company's image.
Anyway...
They are an environmental Mafia,
and some in a deserving Russian prison.
Keep their asses locked up and use them for hard labor here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kolyma_road00.jpg
hans beat me to it. I also bet they will be rethinking global warming after a few years in the cold.
My father's cousins or namesakes of them from the same town were executed in the early 1940s for the crime of being ethnic Germans which was odd because most of them starved or froze to death. The good thing about being executed was that they were pardoned in the 1960s unlike those who died of other causes. I am not sure being pardoned made them feel any better than the others.
Steve, I do not think anyone here is advocating that these individuals be kept in detention indefinitely without a proper trial. You are right, they have the right to speak, but they do not have the right to terrorize society or legitimate business interests.
For my self I hope that the charges are not watered down to appease their complicit friends outside of Russia, but that they be prosecuted exactly for the crimes they committed and receive appropriate punishment, and if that means hard labour, so be it.
I also expect that if a proper investigation was done of Greenpeace activities they would be found to be a criminal organization similar to the Mafia, except they wear cardigans rather than 3-piece suits.
scar, I am not aware of any of my wife's extended family or of my extended paternal or maternal executed family members having received a 1960s pardon. I thought only rehabilitated executed party members received a pardon. The others were consigned to a nameless grave in a large hole or left to rot along the trail where they died.
Where did you get your information on pardons in the 60's ?
http://www.prison.org/english/rpsdea.htm
Heh. As mentioned in a few other posts, rule of law forces the consolidation of environmental efforts to the cash-strapped European and North American countries where their activities, no matter how destructive, are protected under the law. I surmise this is why we no longer hear the Save the Rainforest drumbeat that deafened us all in the '80s. Brazil is still primarily third world and struggling to build infrastructure. What's a few pesky enviro's to actual nation buildling? Nothing.
peterj "Where did you get your information on pardons in the 60's ?"
Note - they were pardoned 20 years AFTER they were executed.
It was on an ethnic German from Russia village website that I can no longer find. Many of the people executed by tribunals without evidence were later pardoned starting under Kruschev.
I'm terribly afraid that traditional Russian justice might prove a bit harsh. May I suggest a Siberian Sentencing Circle?
Canada needs a Russian style Arctic Prison Camp. Then, one by one, we fly over and push them out the plane. Maybe we give them parachutes. Then the Clifford Olson's, the Paul Bernardos, the Robert Picktons, can live their last days in a frozen hell on earth.
These human butchers can then rot on the frozen tundra.