YNoKyoto: Throw Another Climate Conference On The Barbie

Moonbats Y2Kyoto 43 Comments

Up in flames;

Representatives of most of the world’s poor countries have walked out of increasingly fractious climate negotiations after the EU, Australia, the US and other developed countries insisted that the question of who should pay compensation for extreme climate events be discussed only after 2015.
The orchestrated move by the G77 and China bloc of 132 countries came during talks about “loss and damage” – how countries should respond to climate impacts that are difficult or impossible to adapt to, such as typhoon Haiyan.
Saleemul Huq, the scientist whose work on loss and damage helped put the issue of recompense on the conference agenda, said: “Discussions were going well in a spirit of co-operation, but at the end of the session on loss and damage Australia put everything agreed into brackets, so the whole debate went to waste.”
Australia was accused of not taking the negotiations seriously. “They wore T-shirts and gorged on snacks throughout the negotiation. That gives some indication of the manner they are behaving in,” said a spokeswoman for Climate Action Network.

More: Germany mutates into a climate protection obstructionist.
h/t Maz2

43 Replies to “YNoKyoto: Throw Another Climate Conference On The Barbie”

  1. Typhoon Haiyan was large, predictable, and by a far sight not the largest on record despite the media lying. It wasn’t even in the top ten recorded. Ignorant people, knowing a storm surge of 4 to 5 metres is eventually coming, build below that level and thousands of them die. Ain’t my fault. I don’t go out in my skivvies at 40 below and die because I’m not stupid.

  2. “They wore T-shirts and gorged on snacks throughout the negotiation. That gives some indication of the manner they are behaving in,”
    Translation:
    “They didn’t wear $8,000 suits and order $500 per bottle wine like the rest of us civilized folk! It was scandalous, I tell you – scandalous! Doesn’t Australia have taxpayers for this kind of thing?”

  3. Socialism works great, until you run out of other peoples money.
    Saving the world via socialism masquerading as environmentalism,sounds so good, until you get to the money part.
    I see a satisfactory solution here, let us “donate” as in sell into slavery, to the 3rd world, all of the persons complicit in the CAGW scam.
    I care not if they are activists thro malice or stupidity, by their actions we know them.
    Let us make repatriation to the “deserving poor” and inflict all the high priced UN “help” upon them.

  4. scar, I was listening to two filipinos talking the other day. In the incomprehensible stream of words ‘life insurance’ was suddenly uttered. I asked one of them later why she switched to English and she told me that there is no word in tagalog for insurance, it doesn’t exist. She also said that when she arrived in Canada she couldn’t believe that people insured their houses and cars. Insurance is a foreign concept.
    She told me that when a storm comes her family would send the women and children inland and the men would stay to defend the house from looters. The average filipino does not have a savings account so their entire wealth is in the home such as it is. Average per capita income is $1500 USD, so as you can imagine the poor are very poor indeed.

  6. You know it’s bad when even the Groaniad’s John Vidal can’t disguise the magnitude of the collapse. But the second article is in some senses worse. Gosselin quotes Mojib Latif attributing the reasons for Germany’s backsliding. But as a typical Green Latif misses the real reason Germany is failing to restrict emissions. He’s completely silent on the fact that Germany has shut down eight of its nuclear reactors in 2012, with the rest to follow in 2020. That’s 20 per cent of Germany’s entire electricity supply, all to be replaced by coal. And it will have a much larger impact than all of the factors combined that Latif mentions.
    So of course Germany is walking quietly away from the UNFCCC. Its insane nuclear phaseout policy leaves it no choice. But the last thing any of these green slime want to admit is that their antinuclear policies made their anti-carbon policies impossible.

  7. // Germany mutates into a climate protection obstructionist. //
    +
    Still, there are distinctions among mutants & monsters.
    The chart is explained at the link to Germanwatch, which also has some comments which should have people here chugalugging DDT in celebration —
    // CCPI 2014 is a tool designed to enhance transparency in international climate politics. On the basis of standardised criteria, the index evaluates and compares the climate protection performance of 58 countries that are together responsible for more than 90% of global energy-related CO2 emissions.[…]
    For the first time Germany has dropped out of the top ten – from 8th to 19th, one of the biggest losers in this years index […]
    The world’s two biggest emitters – China and the USA – are ranking in the lower midfield. China climbed up to 46th place because of its improved performance. “After a period with extremely high emissions growth rates, recent developments indicate a slower growth of CO2 emissions and a decoupling of CO2 growth and GDP growth”, explains Burck. Both, its heavy investments in renewable energies and a very critical debate on coal, give hope for a slower emission growth in the future. In the USA (ranked 43rd), a more active policy to restrict the use of coal has been observed. Regulating existing power stations is supposed to begin by June 2014.[…]
    anada still shows no intention of moving forward with climate policy and therefore remains at 58th position for another year. Only Iran (59th), Kazakhstan (60th) and Saudi Arabia (61st) have worse ratings. //
    http://germanwatch.org/en/7704

  11. The theory that other countries have to compensate someone living in a grass hut who is hit by bad weather, the theory underpinned by pseudo-science and utter lies, is just a form of blatant extortion.
    Repeat after me: global warming = wealth transfer
    And for that matter: obamacare = wealth transfer
    and so on.

  14. Does anyone wonder why Canada produces so much CO2 despite being so woefully under-industrialized? We burn all that fuel keeping warm at 40 below and hauling food long distances. What would the watermelons prefer we do without, heat or food? Both??

  17. “They wore T-shirts and gorged on snacks throughout the negotiation. That gives some indication of the manner they are behaving in,”
    That made me smile. I can just imagine unpolished Ozzies conversing in accent so thick it sounds like another language and the mortified looks on the beetle-like beaurocrats there.
    Maybe Germany will snap out of its insane green energy craze? Because if they did I think their economy would take off. They’re doing a lot else correctly.
    in BC, the guvmint has nuked the useless carbon trust
    Man, Christy Clark V2.0 is way better than V1.0.

  18. “Loss and damage”? How about these shysters pay the developed world for all the advances that have been made and for which the underdeveloped countries aspire? Without those advances, much of the world population today would be dead.

  19. Uh, Fred. From that article:
    The trust will continue to buy carbon-emission offsets that are paid for by school districts, post-secondary education institutions and health authorities as part of making their operations carbon-neutral

  22. scar
    I’m sure the greenie bstrds would be quite content for a mass forced migration of every citizen of the north (except for “live off the earth aboriginal types”), ot the south, and turn all of Canada into a giant park.
    Economy be damned, just tax “the rich”

  23. Dizzy, why would anyone here give a rat’s ass about some dippy index put out by you silly Greens? We regard it as a strength of the current government that it’s not intimidated by this kind of worthless propaganda.
    You still don’t get it, do you? When Canada wins Fossil of the Day award, we regard it as a badge of honour in resisting you Daleks and your conquer-the-universe schemes.
    But as to the subject at hand, you lot must be thinking longingly of cyanide or high windows right about now. Your climate schemes are spiralling down the drain, and there’s not a single damn thing you can do about it.

  24. The climate crowd have taken one step too far. By deciding that only developed countries had to pay up for perceived wrongs committed over the last century and a half the truth became obvious, this whole thing was mererly an attempt to do wealth distribution. The western industrial nations realized quickly that this idea couldn’t be sold to their electrate and besides why should they have to pay so that third world countries could more quickly become what they were now being punished for having done. The AGW crowds refusal to back down from their obviously discredited ideas has just made it easier for the western nations to tell the UN to go to h*#l.

  25. The Haiti earthquake proved that.
    Most folks have not forgotten the Billions sent by people being used to make the upper class their even richer while nothing for the poor.
    More wealth transference by socialists.
    The only way to be sure if your donation to these things gets their. Is to personally send money to people there. That or support Ground operations divorced from any Government “help”.
    Folks are sick of being suckers from government graft.Giving money to dictators.
    No one mentions Arafat had 5 billion in Swiss banks while the “poor” Palestinians went with out.
    Yo can bet your bathtub this is regular practice with these “suffering ” countries.

  27. Can’t adapt to a typhoon? Must be the fault of some of the western democracies …. I am not sure whose fault it was over the past few thousand years, but the current ones are definitely the fault of the western democracies except for the USA at this time. Absolutely nothing is Obama’s fault … so don’t even ask.
    As far as the Filipinos who just had the typhoon, I think most of them want to adapt to North America.

  28. meanwhile here in Canada, Shiny Pony and the Mad french guy are pushing for a carbon tax…
    Another Harper majority…..

  29. Both. That’s why I think that the people who negotiated us in to Kyoto are traitors.
    As for Australian behaviour, at least the Australian delegates weren’t doing elephant impressions!
    (As has been wisely said, you haven’t seen anything until you’ve seen drunken Australians doing
    elephant and kangaroo impressions).

  30. The theory that other countries have to compensate someone living in a grass hut who is hit by bad weather, the theory underpinned by pseudo-science and utter lies, is just a form of blatant extortion.
    Priceless… thanks for that excellent summary I’d add ‘tin roofed shack’ to the ‘grass hut’.

  31. Let’s see. The G77/China bloc/poor demand climate reparations for the global warming they’re going to cause. We’ve decided not to pay up what amounts to foreign aid to corrupt/tyrannical leaders who spew poison all over the countries while flitting about, on somebody else’s dime, in green jeans. Lizzie May joins the Afghan delegation. Yep, that’s it in précis.
    Now, just follow the money. Really, is there any doubt left what the goal was all along?

  32. Let’s see. The G77/China bloc/poor demand climate reparations for the global warming they’re going to cause. We’ve decided not to pay up what amounts to foreign aid to corrupt/tyrannical leaders who spew poison all over the countries while flitting about, on somebody else’s dime, in green jeans. Lizzie May joins the Afghan delegation. Yep, that’s it in précis.
    Now, just follow the money. Really, is there any doubt left what the goal was all along?

  33. As a Canadian,I am hanging my head in shame.
    Every year in memory,we won an award. Usually it was the ‘fossil of the day,week,month,…etc. ” award,but an award nonetheless.
    This year we won nothing.
    I was looking forward to watching the hippies with their ukeleles and ‘inexpensive’ costumes.
    Damn those Cons and their cuts to the CBC !!!

  34. Enjoy your triumph, cgh, although it’s not clear that you had anything to do with it.
    As for the “current government” posture, Steve is sounding very climate changey these days. His strategy of doing nothing until the Americans do something, while pressing on with his “petro state” rhetoric [isn’t he aware that “petro state” is not a compliment?] has come back at him now that the Americans ARE doing a bit. He is now dancing between boasting about our climate change activism and trying to keep Obama from deep-sixing the bitumen for Texas strategy. Obama doesn’t need Texas.
    Meanwhile we have been dropping manufacturing jobs and are really threatening to become a “petro state”. That & sour gas.
    And while Joe Clarke [a genuine western PM] has a new book detailing the retreat from traditional Canadian politics, Steve has been spending his free time in antiquarian persuit of forgotten Toronto hockey players. [40% off at Chapters]
    In any case, the Planet is supremely indifferent to PR successes & the science will continue.
    Even the PR is starting to lose its clout —
    // In all 46 states, they [Stanford University] found that at least 75% of participants thought global warming was happening. Even in traditionally conservative red states such as Texas, 84% thought global warming was happening and 72% agreed humans were the cause. Acceptance of global warming increased to at least 84% for states hit by drought or vulnerable to sea level rise. //
    That last bit is ironic. The same people that can be convinced that a snowstorn refutes GW can also come to believe that a drought confirms it.

  35. we have been dropping manufacturing jobs
    That’s because your neighbors would rather buy cheap Asian disposable crap instead of good quality Canadian products.
    People who want cheap, get what they deserve.
    The polls quoted are meaningless without knowing exactly what was asked and who was sampled. The questions are always drafted to elicit the response the pollsters want to hear.

  36. Canada has been entirely too timid in dealing with this revolting herd of statist kleptocrats. We should be demanding reparations from these “underdeveloped” countries to compensate us for all of the plant food that we’ve exported to them. Increasing the CO2 content of the atmosphere makes plants grow faster and, heating our homes in -40 weather as well as idling vehicles for hours to make them warm enough to drive in the same winter conditions results in increased crops for the farmers in “underdeveloped” countries. At the very least, the benefits which accrue to those countries as a result of sharing the same atmosphere should be taken out of foreign aid budgets (foreign aid is something that should be abolished completely but this would be a good way to start the process).
    Considering that climate is perpetually changing, the only option is to adapt or go extinct. When villages have houses that are made of scrounged bits of garbage and when the houses are built on land only a few feet above sea level, I prefer to view the effects of a typhoon on such a human settlement as evolution in action. Gaia doesn’t like wimps or incompetents and forces even complex intelligent dissipative systems to undergo trial by weather.
    The only people who should build in such highly unstable locations are either:
    (a) those rich enough that they can readily replace their beachfront home (while I’d never have my main residence on a beach, it’s very pleasant to spend time in such places) or
    (b) people who have realistic escape plans and can readily rebuild when a typhoon or hurricane hits. There are fishing villages that have prospered for thousands of years in very unstable locations and this is because the survivors of the rare big storms learned from them and adapted.
    Being statists, the kleptocrats who make up the CAGW industry first try to ensure that they are dealing with a helpless and unarmed population and then toss a few coins and trinkets to the impoverished non self-reliant individuals that they are attempting to make the primary personality type in the world. Not being able to help themselves, the totally dependent peasantry will look to the munificent state who will “help” them recover from a weather disaster by diverting a tiny portion of their embezzled funds to “recovery” efforts. The efficiency of this process can be seen by comparing the efforts of self-reliant and determined US midwest residents in effectively dealing with city flooding in comparison to the helpless wards of the state reacting to Katrina in New Orleans. Statists don’t want self-reliant people as such people have no need for statists and are also able to see through the kleptocratic and totalitarian weltanschauung that underlies the nanny state.
    While the CAGW scam is the most blatant attempt of the statists to create the ideal bureaucratic world dictatorship, the scourge of statism still infests the educational system and is the official religion of the MSM. Such programs as “human rights” acts, “anti-bullying” campaigns, “anti-workplace violence” programs and a plethora of regulations specifying in mind numbing detail the only bureaucratically correct way in which one is allowed to do things are an attempt by the statists to eradicate homo-individualis from society. N. American cities are infested by metros*xuals and girly-men who are conformist unintelligent herd animals being easily controlled by statists. Only in the countryside it seems that there is a majority of resourceful self-reliant and free thinking individuals who give the state the respect due to it (ie none). Western society became what it was because of humans who were intelligent, resourceful, ready to engage in violence when necessary, individualistic but capable of participating in temporary self-assembling human organizations when required and the most ruthless and meanest SOB’s on the planet. That’s how western society came about, not through the payment of reparations to sheeple who are too stupid to know that living a few feet about sea level in grass huts is a recipe for disaster.

  37. Of course we’ve been dropping manufacturing jobs. That’s in large part because of your boy Dalton who’s driven Ontario to the third highest cost electricity jurisdiction in North America. The rest of your post is nothing but slanted polling data, signifying nothing. As I said before, your AGW world takeover scam is circling the drain, and there’s nothing you or the rest of the green slime can do to stop it.
    Shouldn’t you be more concerned about your good friends about to be introduced to the joys of hard labour in Siberia?

  38. (with apologies to a great song)
    “The scam is gone. Go home Third World Thieves. It’s Over”
    The rich western sucker governments don’t love you anymore
    Golden days before they end
    Whisper secrets to the wind
    Your cash cows won’t be near you any more
    Tender nights before they fly
    Send falling stars that seem to cry
    Your Enron thought up scam doesn’t work anymore
    It’s over
    It breaks your heart in two, To know it’s scam adieu
    But oh what will you do? They said to you
    There’s something new and sensible now We’re through We’re through
    It’s over It’s over It’s over
    All the rainbows in the sky
    Start to weep, then say goodbye
    You won’t be seeing rainbows any more
    Global Warming took the fall, Echo to you that’s all that’s all
    But you’ll see lonely sunset after all
    It’s over It’s over It’s over It’s over

  39. // That’s in large part because of your boy Dalton who’s driven Ontario to the third highest cost electricity jurisdiction in North America //
    +
    No, that’s in small part [& he’s not my boy]. The larger factor is the 50% increase in the dollar. Driven by petro development.
    We could have done so much better.

  40. “he’s not my boy”
    Oh, a Horvath fan; I might have known. Spouting the Dutch Disease nonsense, same as Mulcair, are you? And you want to pick up on currency rates as the cause against all the longer term, much more important factors like productivity, energy costs, US government subsidy competition?
    I notice you’re not trying to deny that Ontario’s electricity rates have gone through the roof.

  41. // Oh, a Horvath fan; I might have known. //
    +
    You might have, but you didn’t. But YOU must live in Ontario, or you wouldn’t assume that everybody else does.
    And you must also have a low roof — have a look at this chart & stop whining.
    Relative to purchasing power, Canada’s rates are the cheapest in the 15 country list.
    http://theenergycollective.com/lindsay-wilson/279126/average-electricity-prices-around-world-kwh
    And Ontario’s are not the highest rates even in Canada.

  42. Your link is drivel. First it aggregates Canada which does not address my point. Second, it shows price as a function of earning power. This has nothing to do with industrial rates and direct costs between jurisdictions.

  43. // First it aggregates Canada which does not address my point. Second, it shows price as a function of earning power //
    +
    Which matters, eh? Those Mexican rates wouldn’t seem so low to Mexicans. Secondly all you had to do was scroll a tiny bit for the actual prices chart.
    As to your point your about // your boy Dalton who’s driven Ontario to the third highest cost electricity jurisdiction in North America //
    I mentioned that Ontario is not the highest in Canada. It is the third highest in Canadian provinces. And, given that Canadian prices are lower than American on average it stretches the imagination to assume that ALL american jurisicictions are lower than Ontario. [which your point implies]
    And even in Canada do you imagine that electricity rates in the jurisdictions of NWT, the YT & Nunavut are also lower than those in Ontario? [tell it to the Iqaluites].

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