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Stealing a tweet: "I bought a book in http error codes but it was missing page 404".

What else could you expect but an error message from an error.

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Hey, 'mericans.

You ain't seen nothing yet.

If this lying asshat of a POTUS ran an airline like he runs the country the graveyards would be full of his customers - maybe he's trying to emulate mass airline crashes with his health pans.

I recall introductions from business concerns, including Apple, which phased in access to enrollment for new services etc. They either followed a State by State opportunity which may have been politically difficult, but! it does seem an area code by area code process could have been used. The area codes determined by lottery.

Come to think about it this is market introduction 101, "keep the glitches contained and do not overwhelm your respond capabilities". I guess this is the only time the Obama Administration did not or would not follow advice. Cheers;

OK, my northern friends - what do I say when a leftist Canuck pops into a thread about Obamacare and boasts of your wonderful, wonderful system and tells conservatives what barbarians we are for opposing it? Help me out with some pithy comeback. I've heard both good and bad things about the Canadian system. I also question whether things are going to do quite so smoothly in a country of 300 million special snowflakes.

Remind him that single payer, universal health care inevitably leads to rationing and that just as many 'fall through the cracks' as they do in private insurance systems.

For proof you can just ask that poor homeless guy in Winnipeg who waited 36hrs for care in the emergency ward. Oh, wait, you can't ask him. He's dead.

None of the systems work for everyone. You can have expensive excellent care or broad based poor care. but it is an absolute that the wider the scope of healthcare, the less the depth of care.

We chose wrong, as has the US now.

Good. Cheap. Fast.

You can only have two out of three.

The current US system highlights good and fast.

In Canada, it's good and cheap.

On both sides of the border, the debate is always comes down to ‘who pays?'

What I don't like in the current US debate is that the feds have a country-wide mandate, whereas private insurance companies can only operate within state borders. That puts the private sector at a distinct disadvantage because of the legislated overhead and maybe a better solution would be to allow insurers to operate country-wide.

The achilles heel in the current US system is that it's based on employment. If you don't have a job, you're out of luck.

When my mom was alive, she always received across-the-board great attention since her afflictions were of the highest priority.

Those with other procedures, which are deemed not as life-threatening, are put on a waiting list. Again, that differs with the US where a patient can receive immediate help, including work-related injuries.

Canadians have to wait longer to get treatment, while in the US, the worker is treated immediately and can be back on the job quicker, thereby helping economic activity.

In other words, there's pluses and minuses in both systems.

Oh, yeah, almost forgot.

The Canadian system works by squeezing doctors' pay through a mandated fee schedule.

But, since doctors are rich oppressors, that's OK./sarc off

In IT we follow the principle of "one, some, many" when rolling out a new service.

"What I don't like in the current US debate is that the feds have a country-wide mandate, whereas private insurance companies can only operate within state borders."

Both Bobby Jindal and Paul Ryan have made recommendations to have private insurance be portable across state lines. Those recommendations were ignored by the Dems - because they don't, ultimately, want private insurance companies to exist.

All sorts of suggestions on how to improve the present messy system have been made by various Republicans, as well as by people like the CEO of Whole Foods. All ignored - so Democrats can keep on repeating "The Republicsns don't have a plan." It's maddening.

Thank you for the responses.

DV....two weeks ago I was sitting in ER with a buddy from work who had fallen and took a good whack on the head.There was a gal sitting across from us who had a siezure.Without a doubt in my mind,we saved her life(we are both trained in EMT). The nurse at the desk? Not sure where the hell she was,but buddy with the bloody head got the Docter from the ER desk to help us.I feel really sorry for you guys down south of us.There is no such thing as national healthcare.I just wish you luck,and remember,there are only now 6 countries who have mandated health care....Cuba,North Korea,China,Canada,Britian,and now the US.God help us all.

I called for a doctor's appt this aft and have an appt for Mon. aft.
It won't cost me a cent, and if there is any follow-up required, that also won't cost me a cent over and above the taxes I contribute.
Damn, but I'm badly treated.
I have to pay my own major medical coverage which is over $60. a month so if medication is required the insurance company will reimburse me 80% of the costs.
What a bummer. /sarc

The young man who says he got coverage under Obamacare has discovered he will be paying premiums of $175./mon or 18% of his $11,500. salary. The Obamacare website is making him their poster boy and his father doesn't even believe that he has signed on. (More on today's The Blaze.)

Here is a good article from Reason about the phony media poster boy for Obamacare:

http://reason.com/archives/2013/10/04/obamacare-chad-henderson-father

This rollout of Obozocare will likely be the definition of hubris for some time. Who in their right mind would have proposed having a nation of 300+ million sign up on a webserver at the same time?

I've had bad experiences with distributed hospital information systems where the IT people tell me I'm not qualified to bring up concerns about scalability and then they wonder why they're getting an earful from every doctor about a system that is glacially slow. The systems that I've seen crash and burn only have a few thousand users and the creators of these systems never seem to grasp the "scalability" concept.

Most likely the Obozocare system has many thousands of servers but I suspect the bottleneck is getting through to a single central database. I'd hate to have to code something like this as there should only be one record for each person and when a good fraction of the 300 million potential users are all attempting to sign on at once the system will simply fail. I can't think of a single centralized system attempted on this scale before. With a decentralized system, such a project would be possible but this is not the way statists operate with their obsession with hierarchical systems.

Likely if this was attempted on a state by state basis it would work as long as the state was divided up into manageable sized chunks. Then there would be a second step where data would be collated in a non-real time mode.

Just tried to get coverage at healthcare.gov, and after what I consider to be an unacceptable response interval, got the following message:
We have a lot of visitors on the site right now.
Please stay on this page.
We're working to make the experience better, and we don’t want you to lose your place in line. We’ll send you to the login page as soon as we can. Thanks for your patience!

I've got better things to do on a Friday night than to play around with a server that's a metaphor for everything wrong with the Obozo regime. I'm sure that my curiosity will be interpreted as a DOS attack by the apologists for the incompetent.

As far as Canadian healthcare, it's teetering on the brink of collapse and I suspect that will happen once the new crop of "lifestyle" oriented physicians starts to enter the system in large numbers. These are physicians who aren't prepared to work 80-100 hour weeks and it also now comprises a majority of women who will likely be having babies and reducing the number of practicing physicians even further. Combine this with the increasing average age of the population, the multiple medical problems that this older population has as well as the non-scalability of a centralized state medical system and one is looking at total collapse in the near future.

Nurses I know are getting burned out, the criteria for admission to hospital are so high now that the average acuity of patients has increased so much that some of the patients I care for now would have been in an ICU 20 years ago. The hospital administration sends out daily messages about getting patients discharged as the hospital is 30% over capacity although this is the new norm. Of course there's no money for new hospital beds in a socialized system that puts the welfare of overpaid union workers over that of patients. Despite all of this, the hospital bureaucracy grows ever larger and every dead patient results in a flurry of new policies and the hiring of more bureaucrats to supervise the imposition of these "safety" measures which cause even more workload and burnout among the staff and more people dying. One has to have a very dark sense of humor to see the funny aspects of this policy.

Doctors, at least, are much harder to replace than nurses in "remote" BC locations and thus I can still give the administration the equivalent of an upraised middle finger and keep my job. I figure that probably the only way I'd lose my privileges would be to have sex with a medical student in a hospital stairwell during the day and smoke a cigar afterwards -- the hospital administrators of BC are deadly serious in their war on smoking on hospital property.

My first post got caught in the spam filter possibly as a result of some excessively ribald imagery to prove a point.

However, assuming my first post gets through the spam filter eventually, I'm now on my way to signing up for Obozocare. Have an email I need to fetch from my throwaway email address and my fictitious Florida resident who's currently uninsured will soon be well on his way to getting a unicorn in his garage and free health care. (Not sure if that includes servicing of the unicorn).

Just occurred to me that I should have used Tor for the signup process but then what can the NSA do to me in Canada?

Edit: Yep, in the last it was the word, 'sex'. That's a -6 right off. :)

I've had this argument with lefty friends more times than I can recount. Here's the crux of my argument - see if you can pick any holes in it.

10 people are waiting for a hip replacement. All 10 have paid their healthcare premium. One is tired of waiting and opts to pay a privately owned clinic $10K for immediate surgery. Now there's only 9 people in the lineup, but the premiums of all 10 people remain to treat the other 9. Everyone moves up a spot and there's more money available to treat them. Win. Win.

The only response I ever get from lefties is that "it's a matter of fairness". They'd rather see 10 people suffering equally than have 9 enjoy the benefit afforded by the one with the wherewithal to attend to their own health needs.

It always comes to down to economic jealousy.

Well, as advertised, in just over 1 hour I got an email sent to my throwaway email account:
Your Marketplace account has been created. There is one more step left before you can use your account. Click on this link to verify your email address: https://www.healthcare.gov/marketplace/global/en_US/emailVerification?trackingId=[deleted]

One would think that the system would scan for non-US email addresses but no such safeguards. Had enough of this project for tonight and will do further explorations via Tor and a new throwaway email address. It would be priceless if the Tor exit node was in Iran.