THOUSANDS of planes coming in to land at Britain's busiest airports are in danger of crashing because pilots are being 'blinded' by laser pen attackers.
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- Loki: Al, I'll agree with you about turning off cell phone read more
- NME666: Kevin sonny BOY, there are some very good "toy' lazers read more
- nv53: I guess the British police are too busy arresting people read more
- Yukon Gold: From someone in the industry, a couple observances: 1. It read more
- Al_in_Ottawa: My mistake. I distinctly remember being told it was 500ft read more
- Steve: Just want to correct the previous poster Al in Ottawa read more
- Daniel Ream: This should probably be under the "your moral and intellectual read more
- John A: I wonder why so many people do this> ---- OK, read more
- KevinB: "Cairo Airport in Egypt appears to be a particular problem, read more
- Al_in_Ottawa: Actually KPD, there is a very good reason that cellphones read more










The new WMD.
Attention entrepreneurs, there is a new application for laser guided munitions.
Pilots are by definition, whiny little unionized bitches and are always complaining and advocating for more regulations in an already over-regulated industry. These lasers are a mere annoyance and pose no threat whatsoever. Pilots are the same douches that call for cell phones to be shut off during flight operations. Fuck them. During the Cairo riots there were literally thousands of these lasers trained on helicopters flying low and slow over the crowd and they seemed to be Okay.
More to point: is there an entrepreneur out there who might come up with a laser-defeating clear material for the cockpit glass?
More to the point, is there an entrepreneur out there with a laser-defeating cockpit glass solution?
Frickin sharks!
Wasn't there a fooferall, back a coupla years, about a pilot gettin' green lasered in Calgary?
THOUSANDS of planes in danger.
Number of crashes: 0
Reminds me of global warming..
richfisher made me laugh.
well now Kevin, it takes only ONE crash to kill a shit load on ppl. wait till the dear little darlings figure out there are two pilots on board and team up, maybe then you can go help with the body bags. The problem is the little darlings never have to face consequences when they git stupid, just had that discussion earlier today when a friend on a more personal level. Idiots with lazers have been a problem for a lot of years now. I remember telling one of these fools about 15 yrs ago I would beat the shit out of him if he shown the damn thing in my GD's face one more time!!!!
Anyone who takes deliberate action to interfere with an aircraft in flight should be hanged for attempted mass murder.
Have the media announce that the air force will be treating such attacks as provocations which will result in retaliation.
Equip a few aircraft with missiles that follow the laser to it's source.
One or two blackened holes in the ground would solve the problem I'm thinking.
Has Justina Trudeau chimed in on the root cause of why the Islamic idiots would want to laser commercial aircraft?
"Prospective buyers must tick a box agreeing not to shine the rays in the direction of aircraft or within two miles of an airport."
Well,THAT was a stroke of genius!
Why in hell didn't WE think of that when selling firearms or knives,"just tick the box that says you promise not to use this item to do harm to any person,or animal".
There isn't enough sarcasm in the entire world to describe this properly.
I like it, but it may upset a lot of other people in that house or apartment(:
Actually KPD, there is a very good reason that cellphones and other PEDs (Personal Electronic Devices) should be shut off in flight. Cellphones are very 'dirty'; they emit radio waves on many more frequencies than the one they're assigned. The wattage may be small but the wires and cables for the planes nav systems are in the ceiling and floor of the aircraft a few feet away. On 9/11 when dozens of passengers in each airliner simultaneously received panicked calls from their loved ones on the ground, many of the planes experienced interference that caused the autopilots to shut themselves off, unexpectedly forcing the pilots to fly manually. In Reduced Vertical Separation Minimum (RVSM) airspace planes are spaced 500ft from each other, ie some at 39,000ft, some at 39,500ft, some at 40,000ft etc. The planes systems must hold altitude to within + or - 16ft. Do you want to gamble two planeloads of passengers that a human pilot can control his aircraft to 1.25% of his assigned altitude? Note that most airliners are not manually flyable at their normal cruise speed and altitude. If the systems fail the aircraft has to slow down and descend to denser air to be manually controllable.
Regarding the helicopters in Cairo being unaffected by lasers, that would probably be because military pilots wear laser blocking visors that specifically exclude the wavelengths used by most laser and lidars. Military spec lasers will burn a spot on your retina in a millisecond.
For that matter, the solution may be as simple as a set of goggles or a super-duper sunvisor for the airline pilots.
www.noirlaser.com/about/laser_pointer_hazard.html
I did notice that all the places mentioned have high Muslim populations.
"Cairo Airport in Egypt appears to be a particular problem, with one Boeing 767 carrying up to 250 Britons was hit “in excess of 100 times” by a green laser on July 28."
Er, one airplane, hit "over 100 times" on a single approach, and it lands without incident. Can I class this with the hundreds of other weapons where I can be hit over 100 times with no discernible effects? Wet noodles, NERF guns, and bean bags come to mind.
500 millwatts - that is, to anyone with a scientific bent, one-half a watt, or less power than NME would use punching someone in the nose. Your typical handheld cellphone emits more power than that. Even if the entire power of the beam hit the aircraft, the effect would be nothing, especially since it's in the visible portion of the spectrum, and hence would be reflected by the skin.
The only possible danger is that the sole pilot would stare directly at the beam for a period of time, possibly injuring his eye. As with the big yellow sky-thingy, the trick is DON'T LOOK DIRECTLY AT IT. Since the person operating the beam is unlikely to be at the centre of the runway as the airplane approaches - the only time in flight the guy in the cockpit is looking down - moving his eyes away do the trick, as it apparently already has, GIVEN THE ZERO CRASH FIGURE. I have no doubt that big green lights splashing over the window can be distracting, but these guys are trained to focus, are they not?
I wonder what other things NME is afraid of.. shadows, things that go bump in the night, etc?
I wonder why so many people do this>
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OK, I don't know a much (that is, I know nothing) about lasers. But I doubt a "laser pen" or pointer would be a larger problem than the mirror from a face-powder mirror at more than thirty feet, gun-sighting lasers at more than 150 feet. However, I am aware of one case in which some twit was using a civilian-grade astronomical laser, which can track satellites to keep them in a telescope's view: such a thing might well be dangerous for over a mile.
This should probably be under the "your moral and intellectual superiors" tag, because the linked article consistently conflates "high-powered" presentation-grade £12 laser pointers (which won't even reach a plane in flight) and bench-grade or astronomy spotting lasers worth £400. Those ones are dangerous.
Just want to correct the previous poster Al in Ottawa
RVSM seperation standards are 1000 ft (reduced from previous 2000ft.)NOT 500 ft
see... : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduced_vertical_separation_minima
My mistake. I distinctly remember being told it was 500ft separation on the course I took a few years ago. They say the memory goes first, I forget what the second thing is....
From someone in the industry, a couple observances:
1. It IS a big deal, especially the green lasers. Momentary blindness is immediate, and permanent eye damage is possible for all those in the cockpit. Usually, the pilots are quick enough to look away and avoid getting hammered with the beam.
2. It happens in every city around the world thanks to morons with nothing better to do.
3. It usually ends when the police come knocking at the door and take you away in cuffs.
I guess the British police are too busy arresting people for calling their horses gay to bother with finding people who are actually endangering human lives.
Kevin sonny BOY, there are some very good "toy' lazers out there, and some dimwit(maybe like you) wouldn't know shit from shingles, now as to the airport thing (the lazer aspect has been addresses by Yukon Gold) once the industry had been convinced that they are harmless, then the ppl wanting to actually use lazers that are harmfull will be free and unrestricted to inflict actually damage. They use very low power lazers for eye surgery, and I can show U how to take a common pen lazer and focus it to be quite effective at the range that my GD was to the idiot. It's LIVs like you that are the problem in much of todays society.
Al, I'll agree with you about turning off cell phone transmitters during flights, but the policy of the airlines at present is totally asinine. I've been told to turn off all electronic devices and have asked the stewardess if I can get a screwdriver to open the back of my watch to pull the battery -- this usually receives a totally blank stunned look. My cell phone is put into "flight mode" before takeoff but is still on yet taking digital photographs seems to draw the ire of stewardesses who haven't a clue about the degree of shielding on modern electronic devices. No one appears to be asked to turn off their hearing aids although such devices are far less well shielded than laptops and tablets.
I have a computer speaker system which seems to rectify RF at cell phone frequencies and gives me advance warning of when a cell phone call or text message is coming in or when my cell phone contacts it's local cell station. Despite multiple other devices on the same frequencies in my basement, none of them trigger my "cell phone sensor". That's because the radiated power of a cell phone is massive in comparison to the tiny amount of RF interference caused by a laptop or tablet.
A far better policy on aircraft would be to have an RF strength meter which would read the total RF output power from various devices in the cabin and selected passengers could be told to turn off improperly shielded devices. If a device is FCC approved, there's almost zero chance that it has any significant RF leakage.
As far as the laser pointers go, this is an absolutely idiotic alarmist article. Laser diodes are easily purchased and are such a staple of modern electronics that a ban on hand held lasers would just result in people ripping apart DVD recorders to get high power laser diodes. High power IR lasers are used in industrial applications and would be far more dangerous as the first indication that one had been looking at a ground based laser for a pilot would be when he went blind from his retina being fried. Laser pointers have very diffuse beams and shining one on the sidewalk from 17 stories up in Vancouver gave a spot which I estimate at an inch or so in diameter. The laser diodes used in laser pointers are rather poor quality and can only blind someone at close range. Even if one has a high power laser diode, it's no guarantee that one won't get a huge amount of beam spread with distance. I gave up on trying to use modulated cheap laser pointers for long distance communication as they are just too crappy for this application.