The Huffington Post's Opinion

Industrial Grade Stupid.

They'll say anything to protect the rent-seekers government paycheque.

I'm impressed! The IPCC has moved the estimate from "very likely" in 2007,to "extremely likely" in 2013!

How many more years before they declare it to be " so f***ing likely that I'll punch you in the face if you even smirk"?!

Even IF AGW/CC WAS authentic,the answers provided by the IPCC and their cronies make no difference other than to transfer wealth from some Countries to others,with IPCC cronies taking a commission along the way.

It's disappointing that so many AGW acolytes can't seem to see the truth of that agenda.

Maybe they're blinded by the red curtain surrounding it all.

from a Huff Super User...

"Deniers should not be legally allowed to reproduce. That's about all there is to it. Unfortunately, people with this mindset tend to reproduce at a faster rate than mice, usually because of a lack of education or a lack bus money to get to the drug store to buy condoms....so we're in a lot of trouble."

The leftard is strong with that one

Jail David Suzuki.

One commenter at the HuffPo wrote: "I got rid of my vehicles 6 years ago. Lots of other options."

This could only come out of the head of an urban ignorant bigot. Of course if you live in the center of Toronto or another metropolis then a car isn't usually necessary. But what if you live somewhere in the other 99% of the landmass of Canada?

Leftists truly are uncaring, selfish folks.

Ross McKitrick says:
SPM in a nutshell: Since we started in 1990 we were right about the Arctic,
wrong about the Antarctic, wrong about the tropical troposphere, wrong about
the surface, wrong about hurricanes, wrong about the Himalayas, wrong about
sensitivity, clueless on clouds and useless on regional trends. And on that
basis we’re 95% confident we’re right.

Alvin (blog comment) says:
I missed the live feed (of the IPCC presser this morning). Did the groundhog
see his shadow?

I am generally on the same page as you on a variety of issues but on the climate warming issue, we are at opposite ends. No use trying to talk sense to you all on this. But soon(within a decade) even you knuckle-draggers will see the light and realize how wrong you were. Be prepared to eat crow with a side order fries with humble pie for dessert.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/26/time-to-end-the-climate-of-fear

Lorrie Goldstein writes another great column on the IPCC.

Even the comments in the HuffPo are calling BS on this AGW scam.
If they've lost the Huffington Post . . .

As someone pointed out, all models are wrong; some models are useful. The climate models are wrong and useless since the IPCC's own temperature data fall outside the 95% confidence interval predicted by their own models. The desperation moves, like claiming the warming is all in the deep oceans (remember when it was all supposed to be high in the atmosphere) are risible since the warming claimed falls within the range of error of the measuring instruments i.e. non-existent.
One thing is certain, the earth will either warm or cool. I'll take warming over cooling since ice sheets and glaciers are defacto deserts. And human beings insofar as they have any impact beyond local effects will have a trivial effect at most.

@ Canuckguy, the one thing that you forget is that many of us know the earth is warming, we just disagree on why. You think that humans are causing the temp to rise, I think that the temp rises and falls for many reason and that human activity is the least of the concern. Sure, humans will have some affect, but if you shut down all human activity that could cause a rise in temps, you would be going back thousands of years. Not to mention that the proposed fixes, like reduction in carbon creation, are a farce created to try and transfer wealth. If there was a serious agreement to reduce carbon output China and India would be #1 and #2 on the list of countries forced to change, and that isn't what has happened in any of the UN sponsored recommendation.

In the end, the earth will do what it will do, and we will be along for the ride.

Climate is never stable. That's why life has to be able to adapt. We're made to be here, but we didn't develop brains because life is easy. We developed them because when conditions change, those who can't adapt will die.

The current climate is favourable to Canada. Less than 10% of the country is covered in ice. For the period of time that the main oceanic currents have been in their present form, this is unusual. The Dryas events show that regime shifts of over 5 degrees Celsius are the natural range.

Canuckguy - I will agree that we affect micro-climates. A city is a huge heat reservoir. Less than 1% of the planet is urban, so we'll have to disagree about how important we are in the grand scheme of things. I really doubt that going from 99.965% not-CO2 to 99.96% not-CO2 can account for the kinds of changes being forecast.

Canuckguy "No use trying to talk sense to you all on this." If anyone were talking sense on this, people might listen, but instead what we get are highly manipulated IPCC reports, political spin and films like Al Gore's filled with grievous errors. We get people trying to make a buck on carbon exchanges, and draconian carbon taxes that drive up the price of everything, including food. So, do let us know where you have encountered some "sense" when it comes to discussing AGW and how to effectively deal with it.

Amazing how little credit we get for improving the planet. A hundred years ago when lightning started hundreds of fires annually, they would burn for months or until they ran out of fuel or rain put them out. The Thames/Rhine River and many others were so polluted they were devoid of life in the 30's. All thriving again today. Belching coal fired power plant stacks along with coal dust actually turned day into night in many industrial countries. We are presently cleaning up the planets biggest natural oil spill in Alberta, no thanks to mother nature. The urban vehicle pollution in the 60's and 70's is but a fraction today of what it was then. I could go on but you get my drift ? We did all that because it was in our best interest as inhabitants of this planet long before tree hugging was in vogue. We did that long before we became afraid of our own shadows and common sense was frowned upon in favor of snake oil salesmen riding power tripping gravy trains. The sky is not falling but the public IQ has degraded to the point of panic over witch doctors like the IPCC/Gore/Suzuki playing with computer projections under the garbage in/garbage out model when they have no clue how mother nature operates. By natures time, not that long ago all of north america was covered with ice, yet we hope to stop that natural warming progression with a carbon tax ? Don't think so. The planet will do exactly what it wants to do, with or without us. We really are that insignificant and panic over a .038% trace gas, essential for life, shows the power of brainwashing on a very gullible public. Somewhere, Gaia should be thanking us for the incredible gains we've made on her behalf to maintain a lifestyle unsurpassed in history while considering and acting on what's best for her well being. The question we should be asking is why the IPCC/UN(Agenda 21)/Gore/Suzuki and their ilk are pushing all the brainwashing in western societies while China, India, Indonesia etc are getting a free ride to continue doing things we stopped doing decades ago. Now that would be worthy of discussion.

The commentators at the HuffPo do not see the obvious self-interest of those maintaining the scare. They are all crusaders to prevent man from destroying the planet .. or something.

kanuck guy

a person with an IQ of 120 can understand things to a level that a person with an IQ of 120, and no more, and they are not as capable as a person with an IQ of 140. This fact also applies in general to knowledge. So all you have done is demonstrated your IQ/knowledge level, nothing more. You wore about the over loaded car, and want to throw out the 6 pound puppy dog, while ignoring the 600 pound (AL) gorilla in the back seat:-))) So tell me this, the same scientists that predict gloom and doom on this file, also say that the CO2 was 10 times higher than it is today, and that was before the Hummer was invented, and in the middle of an ice age!!!

I'll wait for your explanation on this, seeing as most ppl can't come up with an answer to that riddle!!!

The IPCC did not have much of a choice.

The gravy train is slowing down and it would be catastrophic if it stopped in front of a courthouse.

If they had stalled their doomsday scenario,it is very likely more people would have taken a closer look at their scheme.
If they scaled back their doomsday scenario,it is extremely likely that more people would take a closer look at their scheme.

So they doubled down by ratcheting up the threat level. This will give them a few years to grab as much as they can and head for the hills.
Grifters do not give back to the grifted.

I absolutely love the front page of the huffpo post! 2 huge stacks belching ....wait for it....STEAM! Perfect symbol for the article. Steam equals terrible pollution making it hard to drive in China (at least that looks like a Chinese bus in the other picture)! I am fairly certain the Chinese don't have a terrible pollution problem from steam.

When I drive by coal fire power plants in the summer, there is no hint of any particulate matter (smoke). They are infinitely cleaner than they were 50 years ago. In the winter the stacks are belching that nasty steam.

"Many scientific journals in the 70's and 80's spoke of global cooling - the next ice age - and then they made the big switch deliberately and fraudulently. The biggest con perpetrated on mankind." Sporty

I just re-read "Only One Earth" by Barbara Ward and Rene Dubos
(Unofficial Report by UN 1972) It becomes obvious that integrity was part of the common thread of the times, they provide both pro /con arguments and admit what they don't know..., or

The lack of scientific integrity & honesty today is the result of the uneducated opinions of political Scientists...Gore, the Zuk..etc. It is strange why anyone would think that political Scientists are anything but paid liars.

The next Generation of the UN-IPCC will be another group of like-minded Apes.

The UN is obsolete & useless....turn off the lights

Yeah well, here in NA and Europe, even in winter the only visible emissions are steam from cooling towers....

Reminds me of the photo shopped smoke belching from a decades past decommission thermal plant in the GTA....at the time of publishing the photo the stacks had been destroyed....

CO2 is supposed to 'FORCE' climate/temperature change.

LESS CO2 is supposed 'FORCE' lower tempertures,
MORE CO2 is supposed to FORCE higher temperatures.
(this is the language of the Global Warming Gurus for the past 20 years)

The ppm of CO2 has continued to climb BUT there has been no warming for 15 years.
The 'theory' has been falsified. End of argument.

All the economy damaging taxes and building of tax subsidized inferior 'alternate' energy farms etc. based on the 'more-CO2-causes-higher-temperatures' horseshit should be hung around the necks of the supporters of this terrible hoax like a millstone and they should be thrown into an oilsands tailing pond to drown.

I can't believe that people who don't understand the 'theory', people like Canukguy, think they can even participate in debate.
Hey Canukguy, how many years of cooling must there be before you admit that you and your ilk are wrong? What is the real normal Global temperature supposed to be anyway?

POLL ALERT

http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/

Have you had enough of the climate hysteria today already? Time to fight back.

There may be benefits coming out of this kind of thinking. With everyone getting rid of their cars, I may at last, be able to afford one, given the glut this will cause on the market!

The biggest part of this global warming fraud is the "CO2 per capita" scam. Canada is actually a net CONSUMER of CO2 given its large forested land mass and low population. Yet Canada is hauled to the woodshed by these fraud artists regularly.

But the REAL measure (if you even agree for a minute that CO2 is a problem to begin with) is the emissions per square mile of the land area of each country. And the reason for that is quite simple. It catches the real problem which is overpopulation in some countries. As well, populations can grow and occasionally shrink but the land mass stays stable.

And when you look at CO2 emissions per square mile of land area, you find some interesting things. For instance, Canada is the lowest producer of CO2 (and that is not considering the carbon sinks in the forests that suck it up) per square mile in the world.

Here is some statistics for some of the other countries compared to Canada.

China - 12 times as much
U.S - 11 times
Italy - 29 times as much
France - 13 times as much
Spain - 13 times as much
Poland - 19 times as much
UK - 43 times as much
Germany - 41 times as much
Japan - 63 times as much
South Korea - 88 times as much
The EU collectively - 16 times as much

Politicians in many countries have led their people down the path of paying out hundreds of billions of dollars of TAXPAYER money in scams like solar and wind turbines. These same countries have created fuel poverty in their countries and if their populations get wise to this game, they will be very, VERY angry. So the politicians of those countries need to keep the lie alive....but it is collapsing around their ears.

Not sure what is going on with Captcha today, but I'm going to try this yet again....

The biggest part of this global warming fraud is the "CO2 per capita" scam. Canada is actually a net CONSUMER of CO2 given its large forested land mass and low population. Yet Canada is hauled to the woodshed by these fraud artists regularly.

But the REAL measure (if you even agree for a minute that CO2 is a problem to begin with) is the emissions per square mile of the land area of each country. And the reason for that is quite simple. It catches the real problem which is overpopulation in some countries. As well, populations can grow and occasionally shrink but the land mass stays stable.

And when you look at CO2 emissions per square mile of land area, you find some interesting things. For instance, Canada is the lowest producer of CO2 (and that is not considering the carbon sinks in the forests that suck it up) per square mile in the world.

Here is some statistics for some of the other countries compared to Canada.

China - 12 times as much
U.S - 11 times
Italy - 29 times as much
France - 13 times as much
Spain - 13 times as much
Poland - 19 times as much
UK - 43 times as much
Germany - 41 times as much
Japan - 63 times as much
South Korea - 88 times as much
The EU collectively - 16 times as much

Politicians in many countries have led their people down the path of paying out hundreds of billions of dollars of TAXPAYER money in scams like solar and wind turbines. These same countries have created fuel poverty in their countries and if their populations get wise to this game, they will be very, VERY angry. So the politicians of those countries need to keep the lie alive....but it is collapsing around their ears.

It amazes me the same people who say 15 years of temperature decline is too short a period to be significant but have no trouble concluding we're headed for climate catastrophe based on a much less reliable 70 year measure. How can this be?

It's very simple really. When this poppycock theory was bandied around in the early 70s, aided ironically by Margaret Thatcher's battle with coal worker unions, it was accepted that it was just a theory yet to be proven. IOW its proponents understood they bore the burden of proof, IOW proper science backed up empirically by actual observation. Though they never had a chance of proving their nonsense they tried and tried until one day they turned the tables on science itself. They declared proof, based solely on rising temperature and CO2 levels and others now had to debunk their ideas, that since they were convinced and somehow pure of heart dissenters must be evil, flat earth holocaust deniers. This was based solely on the model based exaggerations of CO2's GHG potency, with climate projections to date NEVER fulfilled. The gig is up and claiming higher confidence of AGW now has doomed them as the snake oil salesmen they really are.

I never bought their garbage and their watermelon solution proved to me their real intent; to transfer wealth from the first world to the third world with governments, Maurice Strong, Suzuki, Gore et all getting filthy rich facilitating it. As the boom times ended (and rising temperatures) so ended their opportunity, though they have, and will for a little while yet, wreak huge environmental and economic damage to the planet.

Governments that even mention carbon taxation get hammered. Obama was the last of these dinosaurs, bragging he'd spent $50 billion to "combat climate change." Their reign on the planet is coming as they experience their own ice age.

I've been sure all along and the warmists conspiracy arguments (ie where 99% of your argument is defeated but you just straddle the one per cent, hanging on for dear life) were dribble, so insulting me and cherry picking stats that somehow increase confidence when climate models and observations diverge day by day doesn't phase me.

"Another leading hypothesis is that heat is settling temporarily in the oceans,"

This could be true. I once met a leprechaun that had been searching for years to find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I asked him if was ever going to give up. He said, "No, the gold could be temporarily hidden under one of the trees in the gumdrop forest".

Here's where their 95% certainty originates.

http://judithcurry.com/2013/09/27/95/

Pass the asprin. Smell the desperation.

Anyone who thinks CO2 is pollution and needs to be controlled by a cap and trade system though the UN to control climate change is either stupid or a criminal.

Scientific American has been of the opinion for some time that the IPCC process needs reform --

// [...] The massive report, the panel's fifth, is being released in four parts between now and October 2014. It is stuffed with science, woven together by more than 800 scientists. And it is already out-of-date. Here are a few recent results that you won't find in the new report:
[...]
Without the latest data, the IPCC, already conservative in its proclamations, tends to underestimate the risks of climate change. And the slow update schedule gives foot-dragging governments cover, as they can always claim that they should wait for the next report to come out before taking action.
The IPCC has to move faster. To do so, it should drop the major assessments. Instead it should issue frequent, tightly focused reports on specific topics, such as sea-level rise, water scarcity and agricultural yields. Such reports would allow it to incorporate science that is only months old rather than years old.
The organization should also conduct its reviews publicly, online. Scientists would post drafts and comments in a wiki-style repository that would grow daily. [...] //
The IPCC Has to Move Faster to Remain Relevant

As part of a multi-billion per year publishing empire perhaps they could offer a hand.