The Sound Of Settled Science

What's your point?
Science is never settled, despite what CAGW fanatics and Creationists say.

Gee, I thought evilution was proooven...oh well, what's a few million years between socialists?

""proooven"" a werd only used by fooools in either the positive or the negative context

science is only a road to discovery, not a raleroad to absolutes

Oh okay, evilution is not proven. Good to know.

It was another socialist fantasy, anyway.

Next...

"Settled science" is a phrase used only in climate "science."

Hee hee, strad. Some commenter on the original site has your number: "interesting

on a side note, some creationist is gonna take this out of context".

OOh look a fossilized skeleton. Indicates exactly what it proves - that which you choose to believe. In other news I have two count them two Tyrannosaurus Rex in my living room. Well if not exactly T Rex then T Rex's nearest living relatives budgies.

You'll notice that the scientists in evolutionary biology and palaeontology aren't threating to have eachother fired, black-balled from publishing in peer reviewed journals or calling the other dangerous anti-science sellouts.

To be fair to creationists, they aren't burning people at the stake or hauling them up in front of the pope for blasphemous ideas. Christian religion has.....evolved. Not coincidentally their evolution occurred when they began to lose political power. So there's hope that young earth warmers will emerge from their stasis as the political climate changes.

Interesting article but a very exotic topic and not for everyone. If the reason for posting it here was to stir the pot with regard to religious arguments of creationism or evolution, it adds NOTHING NEW to either sides' "facts". And indeed, if stirring the pot was the reason for posting, I will quickly lose respect for the poster as that road never goes anywhere. What's your point Kate?

At any rate, good to hear evilution hasn't been proven :) I was kinda under the opposite impression considering the chorus of consensus that emanates should anyone be a 'denier'.

And then the usual mentioning of religious persecutions and 'burning at the stake', even though atheist morality during 20th century produced the bloodiest century ever.

You'll notice that the scientists in evolutionary biology and palaeontology aren't threating to have eachother fired, black-balled from publishing in peer reviewed journals or calling the other dangerous anti-science sellouts.

Wanna bet? I have more than a few friends who work in the biological sciences. They learned long ago that dissenting voices to evolutionary dogma are not acceptable or welcome and continuing to express them is a career shorting proposition. Dogma is dogma and whatever the veneer slapped upon it, it remains dogma and its holders are closed minded dogmatics.

yah joke (joe), and religious dogs bark the loudest

stard, phunny that, the Roman cats are quit the lefty supporters, (read communist lovers, especially in south/central amarica and Africa), maybe some history leasons are in order for U?

Why there is that most dogmatic of all commenter nme666. Yawn. I wonder if he is even capable of recognizing that I have not mentioned Christianity or creationism in this thread let alone understanding that I came to my position based on logic and evidence? I suspect the same can not be said of nme666 because is rejects all contrary evidence in a most illogical way. Pity.

religious dogs bark the loudest

I've noticed that with the religion of evilution. But then, it is the religious following of a mentally ill person.

"The Illness of Charles Darwin", William B. Bean, September 1978, American Journal of Medicine

In regards to illness associated with evolutionary ideas a journal article in the American Journal of Medicine declares that Darwin suffered from "psychoneurosis provoked and exaggerated by his evolutionary ideas"

You're being pretty vague on details so I'm going to guess that your friends in the biological sciences are of the creationist variety. Creationism is not science, it's religion. Nothing wrong with being a believer in YE creationist - whatever floats yours and Noah's boat. In my experience with working with one particular Evangelical (among other evangelicals who were pleasant) in a lab is that we mocked him because he was an obnoxious jerk whose constant religious and moral preaching made everyone either avoid him or goad him so he'd stomp off in righteous anger. Perhaps this scenario might describe your friends situation.

Anyway it's the mixing of science, politics and religion - creationism or evangelical environmentalism - that is the problem. Both start with their belief and project it outwards with hostility to new knowledge, discoveries and observations. Bad science like this is common "scientific progress advances one funeral at a time" but that is a flaw of human nature imposing itself on the scientific method. In an ideal scientific endeavour the scientist both defends his hypothesis and takes a skeptics stance on the hypothesis. Objectivity.

“If there's something you really want to believe, that's what you should question the most.”
― Penn Jillette
tags: cognitive-bias, critical-thinking, faith, reason, religion

True science, and scripture match in every detail.

Scripture says the earth is millions of years old (Genesis 1:2, it wasn't created empty, it became that way, Isaiah 45:18)...science agrees.
Scripture says the age of the dinosaur came to an end rather suddenly (Jeremiah 4)...science agrees.

It's only when the religious advocates of evolution insert their beliefs that scripture and science do not agree.

Such a silly belief anyway. If true, why did it stop? Every step in the process should still be happening, all the way from the amoeba to man. There should be living examples of each stage. Why did it stop?

More current Mythology. In 100 year this too will be seen as silly.
There really is only two choices.
Matter spontaneously created itself by accident. Which means all things including intelligence are just by products of chemical reactions. Emotions just a function of need in a biological micro climate. Complexity a by product of chance. Chaos the reining master, not order.Spirituality a farce or force of brain function. Even love just a response, to have moving matter replicate itself.The Universe is just a void that will die a chilly death.

The second is a Creator.
Life , order, meaning than can be both observable or subjective.
Instead of nihilism, you have purpose by a Being apart form our reality. Free will than becomes a reality.Emotions or desire, from just biological function.Intellect is than put on the onus of the individual. Not just a survival instinct.Christians believe you can know personally this God.

There are at least three theories of the former like the Electrical Universe theory.
The latter as well, from Instant creationism to gradual evolution by design.
Thing is you can prove none of them. There are all suppositions built on Faith. One theory piled on another.

To me its obvious that this complex a Universe from cells to Stars is Built for a purpose, with great design. Others though feel the desire that this is but a series of mischances.

Yeah well, the supreme being MUST abide by the rules as well as us mortals.....IMHO.

I'm neither religious nor dogmatic but I will entertain, the possibility that, somewhere, there may be an atheist in a foxhole.

Oh yeah, I recall the Lord Kelvin, sometime around 1900, declared that all science was known, it was merely a matter of refining the calculations....

In less than a decade, an obscure customs clerk, published his unifying theory.....and here we all are.

Nobody truly understands the origins of our universe and life.. Belief systems have built up around our two best guesses.. This battle royal has both sides sweeping far more under the carpet than they drag out into the light..

My God is the god of chance, because 15 seconds before the beginning of time what were the chances of something happening.. When it happened it confirmed the chance that existed before time and space existed..

We are here, it would have had to..

Chance has always existed.. Math is able to sustain itself and all of its properties in a total void of nothing.. But its not really nothing if math is there..

No chance means no reality, no matter how you measure it..

Question for LAStupid: Who died and made you god that you alone can determine what is 'science' and what is not? The field of science in and of itself MUST be open to all dissenting and agreeing ideas when there are areas of debate. A lot of medical advancement has been made based on the idea that if you can figure out how the system is designed to work then you can tweak the non-functioning system and make it work. Evolution, despite its allure is a dead end. Its kind of like Islam. It looks good as it steamrollers every other idea except its not creating any ideas of its own. The net effect is an ever increasing downward spiral.

Heh, must be the drugs...

"Yeah well, the supreme being MUST abide by the rules as well as us mortals"

Why must He be bound by our inadequacy. It would seem to me that One sufficient to create all that we see and interact with us MUST be beyond the rules that govern us mere mortals. As one sage once said, "If I had a God I could understand God then I would have a really stupid God.

Okay, let's not do dinosaurs any longer. Forget the bones and fossils. Let's put our energy and resources into protecting the live ones we have right now, the endangered ones.

I do wish people would not misuse the term "creationist" to mean "young-earth cosmology" or "fixed-species biology". Most creationists hold neither view, and significant numbers of those that do aren't creationists. The beliefs are not inherently or necessarily linked.

Too true ebt. The problem most atheists have is that they can not imagine a God sufficient to create-design-build a universe such as ours. They seem to get stuck with the funny guy with the long beard that hides in a cloud god. Were that my concept of God I would likely join them in their belief!

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