"Panel calls for protecting world's largest forest"

Great, then like the left wanted with Brazil the rest of the world can pay us to protect it.

Why does it work for Brazil and not us....oh yeah, protecting the environment is the point, wealth transfer is. But if Al Gore could sell boreal support credits (bs credits) you know he would support it.

Shouldn't they be trying to convert Southern Ontario back into forest as well?

All they did there is draw a line where nobody lives and colour it green. Leftards.

Oh well, everything in the world is made in China by slaves these days. Why not keep Canada as one gigantic cottage country for our Chinese overlords to have summer vacation in, eh? Who could begrudge the little scions of the Communist Party some summer fun jumping off the granite of the Canadian Shield into the pristine waters of the myriad lakes in norther Canada?

Maybe I should start up a company building docks to be flown into the giant summer houses of the wealthy Chicoms to come?

They've done their own juxtaposing: while a panel of 23 "experts" was off contemplating what we may or may not do with our resources, one of the alumni was off finding out what makes cuckoo feathers shimmer. Wasn't there room for a 24th "expert"?

Weird how the worlds largest boreal forest abruptly ends at the Yukon/Alaska border...

I pine for the good old days, when folks had to do something productive to make a living.

Gus, I pine for the day when tar and feathers solved these rediculus problems

And if we disagree, then I guess they will have to come and take it away from us, eh? This might be the time to get out the guns and oil them up, maybe even consider getting some more - oh, and stocking up on ammo!

I live in the green shaded area. Nobody has to worry a bit about the environment here. Nobody really wants to live here because the climate is inhospitable but the money keeps people here. My guess is that the area is less than 5% developed and never will be more developed because of fast recovery of environment damage. No matter what we do, 10 - 20 years later it's invisible. Usually the cleanup is way more damaging than the pollution.

The Americans can save any environment they want. Just pull out the chequebook and start writing or STFU.

Is Siberia to far gone already to rate? Oh, I forgot that is Putin's private game preserve now.

The only reason these crazies are active here is this is the only place on earth that will listen to them.

International Boreal Conservation Science Panel
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I love it when the conclusion of their study is right in their name.. It kinda takes the math out of figuring out whats on their mind.. International (read leftist UN) Boreal (Read green idiots) Conservation (read anti Capitalist) Science ( Political advocacy) Panel (stacked to the rafters)..

Yup lets let this leftist green anti capitalists political advocacy group in the side door so they can pull off what the failing global warming wing failed to do.. Kill our future with political bureaucracy.

You have to remember that these people and their politics are like water damage.. Ever present and looking for any crack or flaw to impose their communist world view on whats left of the free people of the world..

If its not wealth redistribution (bribes) Its lowering the bar so the western man can look eye to eye with their ass picking third world cousins (jealousy).. Cheap base emotion or greed politics all dressed up as some bull shit charity..

Wish it were still possible to get to the Yukon "before mining companies develop areas and extract natural resources". I'd be staking claims around Dawson City.

"...members of some 600 aboriginal communities in Canada should lead decisions and play major roles in planning where and how to conserve land."

Welcome to the World's Largest Casino! Seriously, has any aboriginal ideas and innovations resulted in anything besides flat screen TVs and handouts? If so then I ask anyone to list them.

Two words - Agenda 21.

This is a push to remove Canada's sovereignty over crown land (public land) and put it in the hands of UN regulators - Canadians are rich beyond all other nations because of our wealth of public property held in trust by the government (crown lands) for our use and exploitationl Under agenda 21 we will not be allowed to enjoy any benefits of this legacy - gone! These are prohibitionists, not conservationists - they want no human contact in this forest - like buffalo commons, this will herd humans into highly concentrated urban centers where it is easier to keep us under the boot heel of the new transnational Feudalism.

If we even hear a Canadian politician or NGO entertain the idea of handing crown land over to the control of these transnational prohibitionists, the knives should come out. This is a direct hostile assault/raid on Canadian territory by venal globalists. We won;t surrender our lands without a fight.

This is a bit of a nonstarter because the foam at the mouth tree huggers would have to leave the confines of the city and picket... what exactly ? Save everything sign are vague and heavy with no one outside of the cities (except CBC) to give a damn. The Indians already have their hands full avoiding jobs as well as education and can't even keep their own nests from looking like garbage dumps. There's just nothing romantic in worlds largest forests when the granola chomping crowd can't take a bicycle or Prius to locations that don't have flush toilets, electricity or anyone that gives a damn. "Save everything in Canada" is just too big at this time, although as long as there is generous funding I'm sure the Suzuki wannabees will give it their best shot. It's just too generic a cause to get any traction. Anyway, this advisory group has only been around since 2008 so they are only trying for a pat on the head from Obama and a approving wink from the flakes in Hollywood to keep the gravy train rolling.

Sooooo, when do the Clearance Acts get enforced and we start rounding up non-native folks and herding them into ghettos? Whatever will be next, a Final Solution and trains to remote "work camps"?

Better tell Kenny to turn off that immigrant tap.

And they don't have trees in NB,PEI,NS,or Nfld/Lab? Or the New England States?Colour me confussed.

oppps. Meant BC,not Nfld/Lab. And there are no trees in all of the USA?

And there are no trees in all of the USA?

It's about Imperialism and the body count is lower than frigging with Muslims. Americans love to think they are so superior about everything. Since their economy is in the toilet, they want us to join them.

"New science, including computer models that calculate the minimum amount of land necessary to support many species and their interactions, led to the revised guidelines, Wells said."

So we should deprive people of jobs and prosperity because computers models say so, just like the IPCC says we should abandon what is proven to work for windmill and solar panels? Were Disraeli alive now he would say 'There are four types of lies - lies, damn lies, statistics and computer models.' Computer models are so easily manipulated by the biased activists who create them that they become tools of disinformation rather than science.

I have hunted on abandoned farms in the Pembroke area. It is hard to tell that the land was cleared for farming at all. You might see a stone foundation in the trees and that is all that is left. Nature is incredibly robust and begins to reclaim land as soon as people leave.

The sliver of land available to south will be reserved for caves. We will be under constant surveillance by our environmental overlords.

Why don't they just say it for what it is .... let us protect the planet from all human activity until all the humans have either starved to death or died fighting over the last piece of commercially produce bread.

I suggest .... while using up all of earths resources we should take funding away from rapid breeding welfare people, phony foreign aid and big spending liberals and put that money to work on getting us off this planet and on to new ones and by finally developing fusion energy so we can tear down those horrid windmills.

Meanwhile, if needed, we could extract resources from the moon and the asteroid belt. This is not sci fi ....we are very close to these technologies ... if we can keep the left and the muslims from dragging us back a few centuries.

We are never going to have an orderly population reduction, which is the only other sensible option if we are to remain here earth-bound. There will eventually be pop die off due to one or more of the following ... war, famine, disease, asteroid, or even major volcanic eruptions that poison most of the people.

Humans have made a mess of our societies which tells me we have no idea how to live together, and never will ... and we insist of elect psychopaths to govern us.

We have no chance really. "Enjoy the Decline" - Cappy

did I miss something or did they shrink Russia again while I wasnt looking , If I remember it still spans 11 time zones

For these people in New York the narrative is everything and reality is not to be countenanced. For example before European contact most of the forest life cycle was determined by the natural forest fire cycle which might average between 60 - 180 years depending on ecosystem type and physical location. Black spruce in muskeg would have a longer natural fire cycle than Balsam fir stands for example. For one area in NW Ontario that I am familiar with the average suppression natural fire cycle, weighted by ecosystem area probably averaged about 60 years.

Extrapolating the results of some classical Canadian research - Wagner C.E. (1978) - into the relationship of fire cycle length and forest age class distribution suggests that before 1900, with a fire cycle of 60 years, about 32% or one third of the forest would be older than 90 years. It also also suggests that 47% or about one half of the natural forest would be younger than 50 years. It is important to realize that before European settlement, with a 60 year average fire cycle, probably only one third of the forest area was mature. Fire and other disturbances ensured that probably about half the forest was in immature states.

These proportions would be different for areas with different average natural fire cycles. Whatever the exact proportions were, the pre-European forest was quite different from continuous old growth forest.

But since 1900 varying degrees of fire suppression have been applied. The pre-European fire cycle has been altered meaning that the pre-European character of the Boreal has been changed by fire suppression activities alone. These New York geniuses seem to think that the natural state of any forest is unbroken vistas of permanently senile forests in some fantasy limbo where there is no death and no rebirth.

We should send them off into the Boreal forests and hope they meet a Windigo.

My comment above regarding natural fire cycles is specific to the Boreal and sub-Boreal forests of NW Ontario. It does not apply to the forests of the Canadian West Coast where very long fire cycles enabled very large tracts of old growth forest to develop.

If these leftards tried this in Russia, there would be polonium in their tea and ricin in their soup. Uncle Vladimir does not take kindly to those who want to prevent economic growth.

My father is a self made man who runs a lumber jacking company in the green zone http://www.eeyougd.com/index.php/ and provides real non-government jobs to a lot of people. He cuts down lots of trees but I know he loves nature as much as anyone (more so than the suburbanite tree hugging pricks) which is why he spends more than half the year out the remote wilderness.

This BS is designed to hold back any economic progress in Canada by foundations that have a foreign basis with given monies to do just that. This is deliberate bankrupting sabotage of our Nation, by opposing commercial entities in competition with us.
It has really nothing to do with conservation. We have the largest parks in the World. But has all to do with pecuniary emasculation of our Industries for other Nations profit by squeezing us out.
You just have to see where those that promote our business extermination have their foundational origins. Including the funding of fanatics to implement this agenda.
The ever compromised Media to sound the trumpet of our deconstruction as a competitive State.

I live in the green zone, and I suspect that almost all the disparaging remarks come from people who don't live here.

One of our greatest economic development potentials is the ever growing market for people from all over the world who will pay very good money to come here and experience undisturbed wilderness. They don't pollute the environment and they don't leave a mess. We are striving to diversify our economy so it's not tied to the boom and bust cycle of fluctuating world metal prices. In most cases there is more value in protecting some areas from development than exploiting it for short term gain and leaving a mess that will take hundreds of years to recover. Our goal is a diversified economy with a balance of undisturbed wilderness and resource development, so our grandkids can live as well as we do.

Why would anyone have a problem with that?

That's insane. And it works by legitimizing-in the public's eye-the more 'reasonable' demands by 'moderate' groups like the Sierra Club.

north_of_60 "One of our greatest economic development potentials is the ever growing market for people from all over the world who will pay very good money to come here and experience undisturbed wilderness."

Bullcrap. Then we'd just have to bring in more Filipinos to work in the service industries. Compared to real industries, tourism sucks the big one.

That's IT!!! F..k it.
I've had enough.

I need to go for a long drive with my Hemi. A/C full blast too.

The linked study comes from academics in the field of conservation biology (theology, in reality) and like their counterparts in almost every Canadian university, have to justify their existence by publishing papers aimed at rent-seeking from the eco-hysteria political band wagon.

The reality is that as recently as 12,000 years ago (about 100 generations of boreal forest White Spruce trees) all terrestrial life (on that map) was smeared off the land and buried by a couple kilometers of ice. All species now present re-colonized from refugia far to the South. Now these academics claim that half of this vast area must be saved from any and all human impact to save every species capable of recovery from such disturbance as what mother nature can throw their way?

This is another product of the Disney-Suzuki Mind-f..k and the worst part is that taxes from people who actually work for a living will be given to those on side with this proposal. Corporate rent seekers have already piled on.

Here is my favorite quote, " an area larger than California ... employ(s) close to 700 indigenous people in a ranger program."

So an area the size of California produces 700 jobs. California is 158,700 square miles. The land surface of the earth is 57,000,000 square miles so California is 1 / 359th of the land surface. At 700 jobs for each California size chunk of land we will have jobs for about 250,000 people, about the number of bureaucrats in the UN. I guess all the rest of us are out of luck.

But who will produce the food and booze to feed all the bureaucrats?

As usual, both extremes in this issue are dead wrong. What's needed is a balanced approach that preserves some areas and develops others to create a diversified economy without destroying the planet that sustains us. Regardless of how much money you amass you can't buy another earth.

The name-calling extremism that only seeks to polarize contentious issues is so much like the Americans, and a huge contributing factor to how fup-duck their country has become. It does nothing to promote those traditional Canadian traits of seeking understanding and finding workable compromise solutions to problems so we can move forward in a manner that most benefits everyone.

Be very careful that you don't become indistinguishable from that which you most revile. That's what's happening in America today, and I for one do not want to see Canada going down that rocky road.

Anyway, this newest proclamation from the high priests of environmentalism is nothing to worry about. Bob Rae's post-political career is working to exploit Ontario's Ring of Fire (sustainably and in First Nation friendly ways, of course) so even the Liberals won't sell Canada out to groups like this.