He has a tough job ahead. We’ll keep our fingers crossed and wish him well.
The media treated this as a circus. Talking heads that had no idea what it was all about.
I wonder how many of them have any idea what religion is all about or whether they even believe in it.
I’m not Catholic but it seems to me when someone is chosen to advise over a billion people it may behoove the media to spend a little more time informing themselves of the import of the event.
He will be hated no matter what he says or does by the left, the popular press and the Muslims.
He’s perfect.
{shrug}
What I don’t get is the Catholics who appear to like all things Protestant but don’t want to walk across the street. There would be lots of empty seats for them in Anglican and United Churches since they forgot about Jesus Christ and took up every liberal cause on earth. Just think, the Catholic Church could be just like them.
White smoke is what keeps computers working.
If the white smoke ever escapes, the computer stops working.
25% of the worlds people reduced to a twitter feed
maybe we will get a “shoes of the fisherman” step up to the biggest corporation on earth
original rick: ” … it seems to me when someone is chosen to advise over a billion people it may behoove the media to spend a little more time informing themselves of the import of the event.”
The media by and large never get it right when it comes to religion — members of the media don’t want to. The “progressives,” which would probably describe a good 80 to 90 per cent of them, don’t want to know how it “works” or who it helps because religion tends to cramp their permissive/promiscuous lifestyles.
So, they continue, like Evan Solomon this evening, to ask stupid questions about gay marriage and women priests as though these are the most pressing issues of the day. Of course, they’re the most pressing to them and their constituents but not to the Church. The Church’s main priorities are serving the poor, providing education and health care to Third-world countries, and supporting individuals and families in living healthy, generous, and caring lives — not only for themselves but so they can help and serve others.
These ideas are completely foreign to most of the media.
What I don’t get is the Catholics who appear to like all things Protestant but don’t want to walk across the street.
I will make an intuitive leap that you’re talking about “dissenting” Catholics who — like the topless protestors in St. Peter’s Square today — want things like gay marriage, women priests, abortion/contraception…etc.
The reason they don’t do the intellectually honest thing and jump ship is, if they become Anglican/Episcopalian or another Protestant, they cease being the rebels, the dissidents, the “brave” folks taking on the big, bad Catholic Church. Away go the fawning media stories, the sympathetic nods from their progressive brethren, and the self-righteous sense of superiority that comes with believing they’re “fighting the good fight.”
In short: they’re just fish in a really big pond. And that’s way too boring for them.
I don’t understand this, seeing as when *I* decided I no longer agreed with the WELS Synod Lutheran church I was raised in, I simply left. Yeah, I could have whined and stomped my feet, and *demanded* the church give in to my demands because — boo hoo — I’m an oppressed woman. But why? I believed, even when I was a liberal, that people had a right to worship as they pleased.* So I decided to go where I wanted to — squishy liberal “spirituality” for a while and, eventually, Catholicism (which, by the way, ticked off former WELS pastor. Big time.). But, then again, I’m more open-minded and tolerant than liberals care to believe or will ever admit.
Although he reputedly received the second-most number of votes in the previous conclave that elected Benedict XVI, Cardinal Bergoglio was not listed among the top ten names of possible popes this time around.
Which merely proves the old nostrum that even under the most rigorously controlled conditions of volume, temperature, pressure, humidity and other variables, the conclave will do as it damn well pleases.
Agreed
(comment from earlier got snipped)
Thanks, Mods.
Didn’t need to be seen in Public in that moment…
Happens to the worst best of us.
Moody these days, not Winter and not Spring, tired of freezing rain. Miserable stuff.
dwright
Re: The result of the Papal election. The Catholic church is a theocracy, and not a democracy. They do what they please, much like we do. While we do have a right to comment, its not up to us to decide what they do. Even those of us who are Catholic.
And yes, we do have a choice–we can stay home on Sundays.
Francis has no number behind his name, not even Francis 1? – Still, Francis – Tu est Petrus!
The first Francis can’t be Francis I until there is a second Francis.
World War I was just The Great War until WWII.
Hey we needed a Pope from the ‘ends of the earth’ Argentina, to deal with all that sulphur Chavez kept on smelling in Venezuela.
If you’re gonna take on “Hell or Highwater”, it’s good policy to have the Pope on your side.
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Francis. How appropriate. Not only was Francis of Assisi a lunatic who preached the gospel to the birds (as if the animal kingdom, who had never rebelled against God in the first place, had any need of it—they knew God’s law and obeyed His will far better than any sinful man). He was the first outstanding Catholic to practice a detente policy with Islam. Francis went so far as to go the court of the Saracen king of his day, supposedly to preach the Gospel to him (as if the Saracen had any more interest in Christianity than the birds). What Francis and the king actually discussed is not known (no Muslim account of the visit survives). What is a historical fact is that the Franciscan order was permitted to remain in the Holy Land after the fall of Outremer, and given a bit of floor space in the Jerusalem abomination styling itself the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
A fresh start my auntie. If Bergoglio were at all interested in that, he’d wind up the whole operation—insist that the few clergy who aren’t unrepentant perverts and opportunists assist him in liquidating the church’s assets and giving the proceeds to the needy, and spend the rest of their days working twice as hard to bring people to Christ as they did to lead them astray. I’m not holding my breath. They’ve had seventeen centuries, since Constantine’s day, to do something of substance about priestly perverts (for example). As it is, the Society of Jesus of which Bergoglio is a proud member was organized to help enforce the Counter-Reformation. (Yes, he made a big show of preferring his own bedsit to the archbishop’s house—at the diocese’s expense, of course. He clearly liked the thought of the palace being there, because he doesn’t seem to have given any thought to its sale.)
Rome has merely become aware that her cause is lost in civilized nations where the people have more or less enough to eat (no thanks to the EU and the banksters and communists of every nation, let alone Rome), can read the Bible on their own and generally have the sense God gave a goose. If she has a future at all, it’s with the ignorant riffraff of the poorer parts of Latin America and Africa, and even among them Protestants are eating Rome’s lunch where Islam isn’t converting people at gunpoint. The developed world will never again give her a Pope. It was only French-Canadian arrogance and provincialism that led anyone to believe that Marc Ouellet had any hope of getting the job, and the Church in terminal decline in Lower Canada. The continent of Europe, in particular, is being yielded to Islam, with the Church of Rome mostly interested now in whatever detente and dhimmification will permit them to maintain their privileges in the Islamic republics of future Europe, in the footsteps of Francis of Assisi.
Bergoglio is well suited to collaboration with the enemies of Christ, having admitted without shame to helping plenty of communist-sympathizer priests escape Argentine justice while the Church in Argentina was making a big show of supporting their (laughably incompetent) anti-communist military government. The opposition to Cristina Krichner’s “gay marriage” law was so much bluster to keep the credulous on board in a nation where only 10 percent of people bother going to Mass. Expect Bergoglio to intensify Benedict’s detente policy with Islam, the better to maintain the Church’s bank accounts, maintain the free passage of priests and see that jihadis only shoot Protestants when they can help it. The few Christians who still live in western Europe and value their faith and their liberty can expect no help from Pope Francis in exposing and opposing the Islamification of their countries.
May God help them—and may the devil take the Pope of Rome.
Slater, you say you won’t hold your breath? How about you give it another try?
TheTooner, thank you for that; makes sense!
So I gather you are against Catholics and view the Pope as an obstacle to faith?
Instead of ragging on about ‘Catholics’ perhaps concede the point that faith is about forgiving and helping others. What progress have you made in that department?
Saint Augustine of Hippo wrote: “As Christians, our task is to make daily progress toward God. Our pilgrimage on earth is a school in which God is the only teacher, and it demands good students, not ones who play truant. In this school we learn something every day. We learn something from commandments, something from examples, and something from sacraments. These things are remedies for our wounds and materials for study.”
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
The new pope is a South American Jesuit. This makes me nervous. My understanding is that the SA Catholic Church was corrupted by communist sympathies, Jesuits especially. (John-Paul II publicly rebuked the SA Church for its communist ties.) Francis must have been in the thick of it. (paranoid worst-cast: Is this the takeover of the corrupted and worldly wing of the church from the religious wing?)
OTOH Francis was elevated by JP II, the communist-secularism fighting hero. Also, “Critics accuse him of failing to stand up publicly against the country’s military dictatorship from 1976-1983”. Excuse my ignorance of Argentinian history but weren’t those the strongmen who saved Argentina from the communists? One who walks among evil and resists can be stronger than one who walks the good road.
(disclosure: I am not an RC but respect it and them. I think John-Paul was a great hero and Benedict was a leader of intellect and bravery.)
He has a tough job ahead. We’ll keep our fingers crossed and wish him well.
The media treated this as a circus. Talking heads that had no idea what it was all about.
I wonder how many of them have any idea what religion is all about or whether they even believe in it.
I’m not Catholic but it seems to me when someone is chosen to advise over a billion people it may behoove the media to spend a little more time informing themselves of the import of the event.
He will be hated no matter what he says or does by the left, the popular press and the Muslims.
He’s perfect.
{shrug}
What I don’t get is the Catholics who appear to like all things Protestant but don’t want to walk across the street. There would be lots of empty seats for them in Anglican and United Churches since they forgot about Jesus Christ and took up every liberal cause on earth. Just think, the Catholic Church could be just like them.
White smoke is what keeps computers working.
If the white smoke ever escapes, the computer stops working.
25% of the worlds people reduced to a twitter feed
maybe we will get a “shoes of the fisherman” step up to the biggest corporation on earth
original rick: ” … it seems to me when someone is chosen to advise over a billion people it may behoove the media to spend a little more time informing themselves of the import of the event.”
The media by and large never get it right when it comes to religion — members of the media don’t want to. The “progressives,” which would probably describe a good 80 to 90 per cent of them, don’t want to know how it “works” or who it helps because religion tends to cramp their permissive/promiscuous lifestyles.
So, they continue, like Evan Solomon this evening, to ask stupid questions about gay marriage and women priests as though these are the most pressing issues of the day. Of course, they’re the most pressing to them and their constituents but not to the Church. The Church’s main priorities are serving the poor, providing education and health care to Third-world countries, and supporting individuals and families in living healthy, generous, and caring lives — not only for themselves but so they can help and serve others.
These ideas are completely foreign to most of the media.
What I don’t get is the Catholics who appear to like all things Protestant but don’t want to walk across the street.
I will make an intuitive leap that you’re talking about “dissenting” Catholics who — like the topless protestors in St. Peter’s Square today — want things like gay marriage, women priests, abortion/contraception…etc.
The reason they don’t do the intellectually honest thing and jump ship is, if they become Anglican/Episcopalian or another Protestant, they cease being the rebels, the dissidents, the “brave” folks taking on the big, bad Catholic Church. Away go the fawning media stories, the sympathetic nods from their progressive brethren, and the self-righteous sense of superiority that comes with believing they’re “fighting the good fight.”
In short: they’re just fish in a really big pond. And that’s way too boring for them.
I don’t understand this, seeing as when *I* decided I no longer agreed with the WELS Synod Lutheran church I was raised in, I simply left. Yeah, I could have whined and stomped my feet, and *demanded* the church give in to my demands because — boo hoo — I’m an oppressed woman. But why? I believed, even when I was a liberal, that people had a right to worship as they pleased.* So I decided to go where I wanted to — squishy liberal “spirituality” for a while and, eventually, Catholicism (which, by the way, ticked off former WELS pastor. Big time.). But, then again, I’m more open-minded and tolerant than liberals care to believe or will ever admit.
Although he reputedly received the second-most number of votes in the previous conclave that elected Benedict XVI, Cardinal Bergoglio was not listed among the top ten names of possible popes this time around.
Which merely proves the old nostrum that even under the most rigorously controlled conditions of volume, temperature, pressure, humidity and other variables, the conclave will do as it damn well pleases.
Agreed
(comment from earlier got snipped)
Thanks, Mods.
Didn’t need to be seen in Public in that moment…
Happens to the worst best of us.
Moody these days, not Winter and not Spring, tired of freezing rain. Miserable stuff.
dwright
Re: The result of the Papal election. The Catholic church is a theocracy, and not a democracy. They do what they please, much like we do. While we do have a right to comment, its not up to us to decide what they do. Even those of us who are Catholic.
And yes, we do have a choice–we can stay home on Sundays.
Francis has no number behind his name, not even Francis 1? – Still, Francis – Tu est Petrus!
The first Francis can’t be Francis I until there is a second Francis.
World War I was just The Great War until WWII.
Hey we needed a Pope from the ‘ends of the earth’ Argentina, to deal with all that sulphur Chavez kept on smelling in Venezuela.
If you’re gonna take on “Hell or Highwater”, it’s good policy to have the Pope on your side.
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Francis. How appropriate. Not only was Francis of Assisi a lunatic who preached the gospel to the birds (as if the animal kingdom, who had never rebelled against God in the first place, had any need of it—they knew God’s law and obeyed His will far better than any sinful man). He was the first outstanding Catholic to practice a detente policy with Islam. Francis went so far as to go the court of the Saracen king of his day, supposedly to preach the Gospel to him (as if the Saracen had any more interest in Christianity than the birds). What Francis and the king actually discussed is not known (no Muslim account of the visit survives). What is a historical fact is that the Franciscan order was permitted to remain in the Holy Land after the fall of Outremer, and given a bit of floor space in the Jerusalem abomination styling itself the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
A fresh start my auntie. If Bergoglio were at all interested in that, he’d wind up the whole operation—insist that the few clergy who aren’t unrepentant perverts and opportunists assist him in liquidating the church’s assets and giving the proceeds to the needy, and spend the rest of their days working twice as hard to bring people to Christ as they did to lead them astray. I’m not holding my breath. They’ve had seventeen centuries, since Constantine’s day, to do something of substance about priestly perverts (for example). As it is, the Society of Jesus of which Bergoglio is a proud member was organized to help enforce the Counter-Reformation. (Yes, he made a big show of preferring his own bedsit to the archbishop’s house—at the diocese’s expense, of course. He clearly liked the thought of the palace being there, because he doesn’t seem to have given any thought to its sale.)
Rome has merely become aware that her cause is lost in civilized nations where the people have more or less enough to eat (no thanks to the EU and the banksters and communists of every nation, let alone Rome), can read the Bible on their own and generally have the sense God gave a goose. If she has a future at all, it’s with the ignorant riffraff of the poorer parts of Latin America and Africa, and even among them Protestants are eating Rome’s lunch where Islam isn’t converting people at gunpoint. The developed world will never again give her a Pope. It was only French-Canadian arrogance and provincialism that led anyone to believe that Marc Ouellet had any hope of getting the job, and the Church in terminal decline in Lower Canada. The continent of Europe, in particular, is being yielded to Islam, with the Church of Rome mostly interested now in whatever detente and dhimmification will permit them to maintain their privileges in the Islamic republics of future Europe, in the footsteps of Francis of Assisi.
Bergoglio is well suited to collaboration with the enemies of Christ, having admitted without shame to helping plenty of communist-sympathizer priests escape Argentine justice while the Church in Argentina was making a big show of supporting their (laughably incompetent) anti-communist military government. The opposition to Cristina Krichner’s “gay marriage” law was so much bluster to keep the credulous on board in a nation where only 10 percent of people bother going to Mass. Expect Bergoglio to intensify Benedict’s detente policy with Islam, the better to maintain the Church’s bank accounts, maintain the free passage of priests and see that jihadis only shoot Protestants when they can help it. The few Christians who still live in western Europe and value their faith and their liberty can expect no help from Pope Francis in exposing and opposing the Islamification of their countries.
May God help them—and may the devil take the Pope of Rome.
Slater, you say you won’t hold your breath? How about you give it another try?
TheTooner, thank you for that; makes sense!
So I gather you are against Catholics and view the Pope as an obstacle to faith?
Instead of ragging on about ‘Catholics’ perhaps concede the point that faith is about forgiving and helping others. What progress have you made in that department?
Saint Augustine of Hippo wrote: “As Christians, our task is to make daily progress toward God. Our pilgrimage on earth is a school in which God is the only teacher, and it demands good students, not ones who play truant. In this school we learn something every day. We learn something from commandments, something from examples, and something from sacraments. These things are remedies for our wounds and materials for study.”
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
The new pope is a South American Jesuit. This makes me nervous. My understanding is that the SA Catholic Church was corrupted by communist sympathies, Jesuits especially. (John-Paul II publicly rebuked the SA Church for its communist ties.) Francis must have been in the thick of it. (paranoid worst-cast: Is this the takeover of the corrupted and worldly wing of the church from the religious wing?)
OTOH Francis was elevated by JP II, the communist-secularism fighting hero. Also, “Critics accuse him of failing to stand up publicly against the country’s military dictatorship from 1976-1983”. Excuse my ignorance of Argentinian history but weren’t those the strongmen who saved Argentina from the communists? One who walks among evil and resists can be stronger than one who walks the good road.
(disclosure: I am not an RC but respect it and them. I think John-Paul was a great hero and Benedict was a leader of intellect and bravery.)