It's Probably Nothing

Being a Saskatchewan Ham radio operator, I am disappointed in sun spot cycle 24. The anticipated improvement in propagation at the higher frequencies has not materialized. What effect it has on climate change is for someone else to speculate.

Being a Tennessee Ham radio operator, I am also disappointed. Being an early senior citizen, it appears that there will not be a good cycle again in my lifetime.

How did George Bush do that?

Actually, the numbers are suddenly very much UP! Not necessarily good news, but something is definitely going on with our sun.

This is not a problem, as science has proven that carbon is driving temperature. We will just have to burn more carbon. It could go out completely but if we all will drive V-8's, we will be just fine.

That's what I've always loved about computer generated predictions. Garbage in equals garbage out. Probably why mother nature doesn't own a computer.

I don't know if the climate is going to get warmer or colder and neither do the climate change modelers despite their confidence levels. Too complex. If we do get colder though we will immediately rekindle our love of fossil fuels and all forms of reliable, affordable energy. One of mankind's best inventions, IMO. The small change in temp that is attributable to AGW is a small price to pay for all of fossil fuels benefits. 1.5C of warming since the Industrial Revolution for spectacular economic growth and societal development is a good trade by any measure.

Stop man made CO2. It's even affecting our sun spots!

It's not just the lower peaks - it's also the length of the solar cycles. There for a while we were having shorter cycles, and now they are getting longer than average.

The historical record of temps correlates quite well with intensity plus length, combined.

I followed a link on Lord Monkton's site that lead me to a scientific study paper from a German university which essentially predicted the start of a mini ice age such as they experienced in Europe (and the northern hemisphere) between 1550-1850, due to the indicators of low sun spot activity they have tracked for some decades now. According to the trends they have mapped on sun spot effects on our weather, the extreme low level of spot activity now indicates the sun is going into one of its long term inactive modes. These last between a decade to 100 years.

So the warmistas theories of AGW are toast so to speak. As Monkton and other proper scientific sources have stated; long term cooling is a greater threat to humanity than warming. Food production will be the first to be impacted by extended winters and cool springs.

Meanwhile our demented politicos and the deranged left are still chasing plant food molecules around the atmosphere trying to make them guilty of a heating trend that not only is non-existent but highly unlikely in any event. Being stuck on stupid is a lefty trait that an get us all in trouble.

I'm sure they are working on another tax on nothing to prevent global cooling. Once they've felt the power on taxing nothing it's hard to let it go.

Its a good test. Problem is there is contradictory data all over the place. More ice and very cold winters in Alaska and china. But record breaking temps in Tasmania.

Same as when sunspot activity was really high. So point is we really don't know yet do we. Co2 or sunspots or heat from the earth driving warmer oceans or those o rnas coming off.....nothing definitive yet. Not worth drastic action.

Al Gore must take control of the Sun!

These science type guys with their scientific up and down measurements, and, and science stuff - they're not sure about anything! But Al Gore is positive it's your fault - and he's got a fistful of petrodollars to prove it!

Is this payback for all the meddling Oceans & Fisheries has done on the Prairies since the Chretien era began? It's no secret that the Saskatchewan government is unhappy with Fisheries & Oceans. It and SARM probably put the heat on the Conservative MPs over this and the Conservatives can't afford to lose the prairie vote like Mulroney did. I recall that Fisheries and Oceans had a cutback in staff back in August.
http://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/two-federal-branches-to-close-in-sask-15-people-out-1.908947

Sorry, wrong thread. The captchas got me.

Solar activity is clearly a major driver of climate, even in the ~1,000 year natural cyclc.

Readers of my paper "Planetary Surface Temperatures. A Discussion of Alternative Mechanisms" will realise that it is merely a review paper of other studies. Some of the references do in fact refer to papers published in, for example, The Journal of Atmospheric and Solar Terrestrial Physics. Another reference is to work done by Hans Jelbring whose 1998 thesis was Wind Controlled Climate. Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University. 111pp.

The concept of the temperature gradient in an atmosphere developing at the molecular level is not my original work by any means. Hans Jelbring (in my Ref [11]) wrote "Hence, the atmospheric mass exposed to a gravity field is the cause ..."

Either you accept the fact, first postulated by Loschmidt in the 19th century, that the requirements of both the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics dictate that an autonomous thermal gradient must develop in a still gas in a gravitational field, or you accept the naïve conjecture of climatologists, who usually have little understanding of physics, that there would have been an isothermal atmosphere in the absence of water vapour and so-called greenhouse gases. The latter requires a blatant violation of both the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics because it assumes that, every time a molecule moves upwards, energy is created and entropy decreases.

Doug Cotton

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