#electionsmatter

Now we can all go nuts and shoot up the town. No?

Your local police force will now require a "tip" from your neighbourhood lefty loon before they smash down your door to "inspect" the firearms and ammo you own.

Nice

heh. I just happen to be cleaning my shotguns right now. Good news fer sure, no? Mind you, I'll bet the Liberals and NDP have already factored in the cost to resurrect it should they ever knock over the CPC. Only worse next time...

Is Quebec keeping all the old data? Or only registrations for people living in Quebec?

I'm still looking for a seal skin gun case for my unregistered, semiautomatic hunting rifle.. lol..

And charge Quebec $2-billion if they want to keep the Quebec information.

It's great that the government respects people's privacy and rights in this case. But as far as *destroyed*? Who really knows. Anyone with access to the data could have kept a copy on a USB stick, ready to restore it once a different party takes power.

The only thing that will destroy that information is time itself, as the information becomes obsolete.

Eventually, if and when technology becomes advanced enough, government will be able to construct adequate information via payment and transport records obtained legally or otherwise. Then they won't need to obtain the information openly.

The thing is, Antelope, guns change hands all the time. the only thing you can reconstruct is who owned what when the LGR was in operation.
Quebec has an interesting situation in that a resident can buy a gun legally and possess it anywhere in Canada except in Quebec where it instantly becomes illegal and must be registered when it crossed the border.

I guess in hindsight, the long gun registry was a mad waste of money. I have mixed feelings about it.

The long gun registry is 2% of gun control.

C-68(1995) makes simple possession of a firearm a criminal offence. It still is. The presumption in law is that citizens can't be trusted with firearms and are a constant threat.

The Possession and Acquistion Licence requires everyone to lease their own property, or rather the right to possess their own property, on a 5yr. renewable basis via any capricious conditions set by the federal government.

Only a third of gun owners obtained licences. The federal gov't. has data on 300,000 citizens whose firearms licenses have lapsed.

Also, via order-in-council, the federal government has the power(C-68, 1995) to prohibit any and all firearms, one at a time or all at once.

Any allegation, no matter how unfounded e.i. a child's crayon drawing is enough for a police raid.

The federal gov't's "Holy War" on civilian firearms ownership is at a slight pause, not over.

"...a resident can buy a gun legally and possess it anywhere in Canada except in Quebec where it instantly becomes illegal and must be registered when it crossed the border. "

posted by BDFT
Note that since the federal registry is no longer operating under the Firearms Act, a Quebec resident who doesn't comply with Quebec's registry requirement won't be committing a criminal offense. Quebec will only be able to impose penalties under civil law.

Guess we'll have to destroy Quebec to ensure compliance.

@ marc in calgary at November 1, 2012 7:16 PM
Only information pertaining to Quebec.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/04/16/matt-gurney-quebec-becomes-canadas-gun-law-control-group/

antelope >

"But as far as *destroyed*? Who really knows"

Na, I've already bought and sold so many rifles this year the OLD data is guaranteed flawed beyond serviceable ever again. And that’s just me!

Never again will the LG registry affect the lives of free Canadians. Even if they tried again under a Communist NDP regime, no firearms owner will forget the lessons of the past and it would be handled much differently by the firearms owning public. Once bitten, twice shy.

As far as I am concerned I think we should all be able to carry openly and freely our side arms, long guns, shot guns ,what ever and in tandem we should enact the castle law. And not have to register or prove we can safely operate any of them!!!

Believe me I know the gun crime will spike as we thin the herd of incompetent , retarded nervous trigger fingered rejects , but once they are finished I bet crime in general would drop far below our lowest historically recorded levels!!!

Just my opinion

Apparently elections don't matter that much because the LGR was not even the most liberticidal part of C-68, which is still very much in force as the law of the land. Elections won't matter until we get real choices on the ballot.

"with the exception of QC"

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell ya.

I can get my Remington 870 an my .22 LR Marlin Rifle back?

Sweet, only took 10 years....

repeal s.91 and s.92.

Decriminalize those made criminals by the Lieberals.

Make possession of any and all LGR information a criminal offense.

Larry is spot on. What is even more important is the repeal of the Liberals' Firearms Act which makes a criminal out of every law abiding gun owner unless he or she is able to prove otherwise. None of this has the least effect on crime committed with a gun of any type, but it makes the urban chattering class feel smug.

@TEXAS CANUCK

YES you still need your pal/ fac to purchase ,sell,or own a fire arm. And a restricted rating if you want to own a hand gun and it is not worth it !!!

Individuals exercising their inalienable right to self defence are naturally perceived as a direct threat to the supremacy of the state.
For this reason, those who perceive themselves our natural betters will never stop trying to disarm the unwashed masses. This is built into our DNA. There was "sword control" long before gunpowder was useful in weaponry.

All arguements in favour of firearms control have been made moot by technology, but the control freaks haven't realized it yet:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/10/wiki-weapon/

I am not sure if I have seen anyone as completely misinformed as ok. Well, almost. Climate hysterics still take the prize there, but it is close. What is scary is his/her/it's mentally deranged nature. Here's hoping there is an idiot registry.

This is a very good start. I haven't checked lately, have the gun stores in Alberta quit collecting the information?

m@1034pm: Yeah my thoughts exactly. The chief firearms officers of each province are a law unto themselves. If each store is told to maintain and forward purchase records, it's effectively a private gun registry.

@M

As far as I understand the ones in Alberta were extremely happy to NOT take your information ....they from what I gather do not take any info from you other than for you to show your pal !!!

TrueNorthist; "Here's hoping there is an idiot registry". Umm, there is. It doubles as the Liberal Party of Ontario membership list.

@andy canuck, and to what good grabbing $2 billion from Quebec do? Do you really think Quebec has EVER paid it's own way EVER? That $2b would be shouldered by the HONEST have provinces.

BDFT: "Note that since the federal registry is no longer operating under the Firearms Act, a Quebec resident who doesn't comply with Quebec's registry requirement won't be committing a criminal offense. Quebec will only be able to impose penalties under civil law. "

Sorry, but you need to check your facts. The temporary injunction granted by Justice de Grandpre last April keeps the Long Gun Registry alive in Quevec. It's rather bizzare, as criminal law is nation-wide, yet owning an unregistered firearm in Quebec remains a crime, but only there.

Can any one tell me if a F.A.C. is still required to purchase a firearm in Alberta?

A victory for Democracy, if not decency. Except Quebec of course who always lay a big one in everyones yard. They get to do what they want , no matter how illegal or immoral.

STOP FEEDING THE IRANIAN TROLL.

Do not respond, do not acknowledge, do not reply.

You accomplish nothing and turn a quick cleanup into a major chore for the admins.

Every single one of you knows better, and I swear to God that if it happens again, I'll ban every damned one of you.

Kate :)
Welcome back, I missed you.

Dale

Sumbuddy >

“Can any one tell me if a F.A.C. is still required to purchase a firearm in Alberta?”

The Firearms Act is Federal legislation so it applies across the country, regardless of province.

The F.A.C is defunct, today it’s called the P.A.L = Possession and Acquisition Licence. Essentially the same rules apply as before with (Acquisition) but you now need the “possession” part of the licence to actually own, keep, or legally carry a firearm.

M >

“.....have the gun stores in Alberta quit collecting the information?”

Gun stores in Alberta still do collect basic information, but not for a Gun Registry or government data on the buyer. It has to do with inventory control of a regulated product particularly imports under the Firearms Act. I’m not an expert on this, but it’s akin to keeping the books strait for government inventory auditing proposes, as with car sales.

Otherwise you can buy or sell a ‘long gun” privately without recording the buyer or sellers information, providing that you earnestly see that the purchaser has a valid PAL. To my knowledge it’s an honor system and you are not required to keep a copy as proof, although most firearms sellers will to cover their butts, especially with stranger sales and write basic information down and stuff it in a drawer.

CYA - Just in case some Islamic Fort Hood shooter or Arab Montreal Massacre turns up dead with a firearm in his hand and the last known owner happens to be you.

Someone above wanted to know if you still need an PAL to buy a gun in Alberta.

Yes you do. You also have to have a PAL to own, borrow, rent, inherit or otherwise possess a firearm. Which means you still need the Crown's permission to have what you have. Which is bullsh1t.

So the job is only half done. The GUN registry is dead, but the gun OWNER registry totters on. This then is our next push as Conservatives, to kill the rest of it.

In truth I don't have a serious problem with the FAC model. Show a certificate that proves to the vendor that you are of sound mind, acceptable character, and understand which end of the gun the bullets come out. Odious perhaps, unnecessarily Big Brother perhaps, but not an intolerable abridgement of individual sovereignty.

A -license- to possess which is given at whim and can be taken away at whim, that is intolerable. That must be struck down.

In hindsight, canuckguy? There wasn't one single person anywhere with any knowledge of firearms or criminal justice who didn't know that this was a big, fat waste of money that would never prevent one single crime and make criminals out of millions of law abiding gun owners, as well as provide the means to confiscate any guns that the government would decide were illegal down the road. What's to be mixed about?

Does this mean I can dig up my unregistered semi 22 and single 12 gauge from the back yard and bring them back into the house? I've missed them.

bverwey

@Calvin:
Well I still think the handgun laws are necessary. As for the long gun, I found it very annoying to comply but now that it is gone, I presume the forbidden weapons like sub-machine guns like AK-47's are still outlawed as they should be. As for my hindsight, I was a bit naive back then for thinking the government was acting wisely for the greater good.

Canuckguy >

“Well I still think the handgun laws are necessary”.......”.. sub-machine guns like AK-47's are still outlawed as they should be.”

Why is that? Please explain.

I don’t understand why “law abiding” people who commit no crimes with a long rifle would all of the sudden start committing crimes with a handgun if not registered.

Equally why would criminals not commit the crimes that they already do with handguns and “sub-machine” guns if law abiding people continue to register theirs?

Criminals have always had access to whatever type of guns or drugs that they want, they always will. Registries and bans are designed to restrict and infringe on those that follow the law.

You can't pick and choose the freedoms that only accomodate your personal tastes and then pretend to be fair & just.

Kate. Nothing I can put my finger on but I sense there is something about the Iranian troll that you don't like. Could be just my over active spydey senses of course. I always thought we were refreshed and challenged by her unique point of view and just because no one understands her does not mean she's not a artist. Her eloquent posts suggest she works for the CBC or CHRC. I'll keep working on this gut feeling and let you know if I can pin it down.

Canuckguy; Look up the law "Pointing a firearm". That is the only firearm law Canada needs. Murder is already the ultimate crime and if people are willing to break that law, a firearms prohibition is nothing. The US has shown that allowing the populace to arm themselves drives crime down not up. Check out the murder stats in Chicago and Washington DC vs states like Florida. Then check out their gun laws.

BDFT >

"Murder is already the ultimate crime..."

Small caveat, according to the Government and the Liberal left tax evasion is the ultimate crime. Murderers get far less time in jail and sympathy than someone who decided that the left has had enough of their money.

Otherwise your comment is “bang on”.