The Problem With Socialism

If you are unable or unwilling to kill those who are destroying your country, succession is the next choice. Food production, energy resources, good neighbors and a few nukes will improve your chances of success.

The socialists in Spain are feeling the pain of reality. Spain could be split asunder or sink into civil war. Socialists do not like having the tap of borrowed money turned off. Just like the socialists in Quebec. Same in France. They are now howling. Why can't I retire at 50 with full benefits and free education etc. All with borrowed money. Yet somehow it is the banks fault now that they will no longer loan money to socialists for their welfare states. |Instead the dirty filthy banks are damned for forcing austerity on them. For shutting down the endless scams.

If this succeeds, look out for the End of Italy. Italy as we know is an artificial nation and the northern part is tired of sending money to the rest as Catalonia is. We could be looking at the End of Europe as we know it. And that can only be a good thing.

Hopefully, Quebec will see this as being the change they want to be...

Mr. Quebecois? How about lobbying for a hike to the wealthy's taxes in Quebec of 75% and if / when that works out, you've still left 25% on the table...

The 75% tax only apply to the revenue above 1 million and it is temporary for only 2 year.

I strongly encourage the Catalan people to break peacefully from Spain. The Scottish too. They will provide an example to Canada and Quebec on how peaceful breakup can occur.

@ Quebecois NDP separatiste
" The 75% tax only apply to the revenue above 1 million and it is temporary for only 2 year"

If you believe that you must be from Quebec. France is heading for the economic garbage can just like Quebec would if Canada cut the money for whine payments. Both France and Quebec are economically illiterate.

Quebecercommie, you're too funny.

"Right now, it takes an enormous amount of English tax money and English generosity to keep Scotland proud and feisty, and it’s a biting irony that nationalist Scots bash England and the English while being financially sustained by cash from those evil Saxons in the south.

More than this, the Scots are also hugely over-represented in the British Parliament, and enjoy education and health-care subsidies the rest of the country can only imagine.

So the situation becomes politically delicious. The majority of Scots will probably vote for more devolution but not separation, whereas every poll indicates that if the English could vote on the issue, they would kick the Scots out." (Emphases mine.)

Don't get me wrong, I like Scots, but Britain is a ruined country anyway and they might as well make it official. I like Montreal, but you lot... c'est ici ta chapeau, et pourquois tu te depeche comme ca de nous quitter mais aurevoir. (Plus, I think you missed the part about Catalonia being rich.)

The Catalans don't even consider themselves Spanish. I know this from human interaction and from Patrick O'Brian novels.

You know the troll is wrong when she appears exactly on cue.

The EU would like the break p of nation statesl then it will have fewer obstacles.

Granted Scotland would never have become the country it is now if it hadn't been for the English. Plus the English are shoveling cash everyday at Scotland. I bet if Scotland separated they would start digging coal again so's not to freeze to death in the winter though.

Chesterton's The Napoleon of Notting Hill comes to mind.
DB

"The 75% tax only apply to the revenue above 1 million and it is temporary for only 2 year"

The income tax in Canada was established temporarily in 1914 or so to pay for the war.

The only reason this 75% tax will be temporary is (I'll bet you a doughnut) that their tax revenues will fall because of it.

The big shock for the Quebec Separatist Welfare Bums will come if they do separate and they are handed back the original strip of land along the north shore of the St. Lawrence which they had when Conquered by the English. That and the aftermath were all French Bilingualism is ended in TROC. Here is an early Map of the Original Quebec about the time Wolfe handed them their asses. http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~1914~120020:A-New-Map-Of-The-Province-of-Quebec?sort=Pub_Date%2CPub_List_No_InitialSort

Thanks for the link! That was very kind of you. God bless!

Frenchdip said: "and it is temporary for only 2 year."

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!!!!! That's a good one, Dippy. Once the camel gets his head in the tent, the rest of him will inevitably follow.

I look forward to the westward flight of every single guy in Quebec with two nickels to rub together. The rest of you doofuses (doofi?) who think culture is more important than money will no doubt be very happy together.
Sharing body heat.
In the dark.
Because there's no power and no fuel.

Don't say we didn't warn you.

Qns: imagine if Quebec brought a 75% tax in for only two years.

How many wealthy quebecers would move to Ontario or NB or elsewhere in Canada almost immediately? And how many would not return?

The EU is not unlike Canada in terms of mobility within the various states. A 75% tax will behead the French economy.

Actually, the reduction in size of an entity, a reduction in both its spatial territory and population size, whether a nation or a biological species, is a realistic and biologically natural action in times of stress.

The nation or species no longer has the economic capacity to support a large domain and reduces its actual support to a smaller area and population. This actually enables the entity, whether nation or species, to strengthen its wealth producing capacities. It can then begin to grow and increase its territorial spread and population. And, in later times of stress, to reduce and recoup.

What is different in this era of complex networks, is that by virtue of the networked connections, there may be little need to expand these separate domains in another cycle. The networked connections will suffice to allow a spread of the wealth and reduce excessive disparities between different domains or species.

I am also suggesting that inequality of wealth production (and consumption) is a natural law of reality. Problems arise when the consumption exceeds production in an area and natural reduction is prevented by artificial means.

Problems arise when the population of an area is artificially increased beyond the natural carrying capacity of an area; this is what has happened in the MENA. Rather than changing its infrastructure to generate more wealth, by developing a middle class economy, the MENA is relying on utopian rhetoric (Islamism) and borrowing by extortion from the West. This is disastrous.

Problems arise if an area doesn't itself produce enough self-supporting wealth and is sustained in too large a proportion by external input; this is the case in Quebec and in many other parts of the world, eg, in Spain, Italy, the UK etc. This depletes the wealth-producing sector of its capacity to Invest in more wealth production..because it is always sending its investment money to prop up the non-wealth producing domain. The system implodes.

The best, by which I also mean the most natural, is to accept that different parts of the globe (and species) have different capacities to produce wealth and must function in a complex global network of wealth production and exchange.

If one is to compare this to the situation in Canada, it is akin to the four western provinces getting together to hold a referendum to decide whether to stay in Canada and pay off the deficits created by the other provinces. As to the individual from Quebec, the decision to leave this confederation may not be yours to make. If the rest of Canada continues to elect the likes of McGuity, Marois, etal., it will result in the Canadian version of the Catalonia solution.

Quebec NDParasite ...

Catalonia separated from Spain would be more like independent Alberta.

See, this is exactly how I have been thinking. I thought, why would Greece leave the EU? They will say and do anything to keep their position at the trough. I predicted that it will be Germany that leaves the EU first.

RFB:

Look at that map again. In those days Quebec included the Ottawa valley as far as Lake Nipissing. Do you think for a minute the French ought to be let walk off with half of eastern Ontario, never mind most of Quebec?

No. If the French Canadians want to leave, they know where the airports and seaports are, and God have mercy on any land whose sovereign is daft enough to give them shelter. Whatever the Queen spent on their passage would repay itself a thousandfold. But if I have anything to do with it they won't take a square inch of her realm with them.

I digress.

Catalonia isn't going anywhere. The Catalonian government in Barcelona, unlike the government of Alberta which is debt free no thanks to the Tories, has been begging Madrid for bailout money.

If they're serious about a Catalan Republic, let's hear these yahoos explain how they plan to feed water and equip the Catalan army, and the treasury in Barcelona empty. George the Third did not yield the United States without a fight, George the Fifth did not yield Ireland without a fight, and Elizabeth the Second should not yield Scotland or Wales without a fight. Fair is fair---I see no reason why the King of Spain should let Catalonia go without a fight, for his own sake and for the sake of loyal Spaniards in Catalonia.

If the Catalans find being subjects of the King of Spain intolerable, they know where to find Barcelona's seaport and airport, and the road to France. Catalans have been the merchant class of Spain for hundreds of years. Europe could better spare many another race (the Irish Catholics come to mind).

The ones who would have any hope of surviving outside Catalonia aren't the ones jabbering about a Catalan republic. They're a shower of communists and anarchists whose ultimate goal is exactly what it was in the Thirties, namely a Soviet Catalonia. There is no place for that lot in Catalonia or any other land outside a prison, a lunatic asylum, or an unmarked grave. Franco did well putting them down. The sooner Rajoy gets on with doing likewise, the better.

I strongly encourage the Catalan people to break peacefully from Spain. The Scottish too. They will provide an example to Canada and Quebec on how peaceful breakup can occur.
Posted by: Quebecois NDP separatiste at October 1, 2012 1:49 AM

Pauvre p'tit NDPiste. If any of us believed for one second that Marois et al were truly serious about separation, we'd be sending her donations by the cartfull.

Viva Le ROC and Catalonia libre.

The ant soon gets tired of the grasshopper.

Black Mamba:

The Catalans are subjects of the King of Spain, who by the grace of God has ruled Catalonia for hundreds of years. Why shouldn't the rest of us consider them Spaniards? Because they have their own jabber, like the Irish or the French Canadians? Most people in Catalonia don't speak Catalan at home any more (maybe 36 percent do, I hear, less than speak French in Quebec).

I've been to Barcelona. All the signs are bilingual, far more often than they are in Montreal for example. Maybe there are a few peasants in a few God-forsaken villages who somehow managed to never learn a word of Spanish, never mind that Franco did everything he could think of to suppress the Catalan language (as the Kings and Queens of Canada should have done in Quebec). As far as I know all educated Catalans speak Castilian.

I don't care what they think they are. If I took myself for a Tibetan, that wouldn't give me the right to establish a Republic of Tibet on Canadian soil. If the Catalan republicans really can't stand being subjects of the King of Spain, they can leave Spain and take their belongings with them, and so much the better for loyal Spaniards, or they can fight the King like men. They tried that in the Thirties, and they won't try it again, same way the French Canadians won't fight for their Quebec republic like men. They know very well they'd lose.

or they can fight the King like men.

Or they can just leave peacefully and be allowed to, because that's civilized, your silly love of monarchy notwithstanding.

Wny socialism can never work , a parable:

An ant worked hard all summer collecting food and preparing his home for winter. The grasshopper, on te othr hand, played all summer not doing any work and caring not about the potential of starving and freezing because he had no house of his own.

When winter came the grasshopper had no food or no warm place to go. Immediately blaming his lack of ambition on the inequity between the ant class and the grasshopper class, the grasshoppers elected a socialist leader that took away 40 percent of the ants food and dwellings gave it to the grasshoppers.

The next year the ant decided that the new government would take care of them the same way as it did grasshoppers so they played all summer, free of work and enjoyed himself too, as did all the other hard working producing ants.

When winter came, there was no food for anyone and they all starved to death.

The moral of the story is; socialism relies on the enslavement of the productive class and panders to the underacheiver voting block. When a socialist nation is finally totally equal and all classes are the same, all will be equally destitute and equally unproductive.

I will welcome the wealthy from Quebec when they decide to flee the 75% tax for being successful.

I don't have/make anywhere near that amount, yet I would not punish anyone for having wealth with what is a userous amount regardless of what income level it starts at.

A message for Le Pet it FrenchDipper. A quote for Queen Mario. "The Queen's (Marios) Writ Extends Only As Far As Her Muskets)." Beware what you wish for Le Pet it FrenchDip, We bastard English Guys may Foreclose on you despite your whining, handringing and continual bedwetting....Viva WOLFE.......

If you are unable or unwilling to kill those who are destroying your country, succession is the next choice.
Posted by: rimcMT at October 1, 2012 12:50 AM

That is secession, of course, and you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
I'm reading a lot of revisionsit history at the moment, trying to figure out "what the hell happened" to America; much of it by the indispensable austrian economist/historian Thomas diLorenzo.

What destroyed America:

- The destruction of States Rights by Father Abraham Lincoln in 1865. The American Revolution, at base, was a SECESSION from the tyrannical, mercantilist British government.

- The 17th (?) amendment changing how state senators are appointed (from selection by state houses to special-interest-bribed popular votes).

- the 1913 Tsunami: Federal Reserve, income tax, and the aforementioned state senator change.

All of of above created the massively CENTRALIZED American Leviathan.

rimcMT is entirely right. The possibility of secession concentrates the CENTRALIST mind. Divided sovereignty creates political competition and provides a refuge for people looking for relief from Leviathan.

Oh, secession and NULLIFICATION and a SCOTUS which is only ONE opintion which may or may not be accepted.

I see no evidence Lincoln destroyed state's rights. America was freer after he was done. There are no such things as 'state's rights' btw only individual rights. No one has the right to create a slave state.

LAS, that's a common misperception about "states rights". True, only individuals have rights, but "states rights" refers to shared sovereignty, the devolution of power; the Jeffersonian right to secede.

As a libertarian (in training wheels, perhaps) you'll have to learn this!

Read: Thomas diLorenzo's:
- The Real Lincoln
- Unmasking Lincoln
- Hamtilton's Curse.

Life-changing experiences that teach us just how much FABLE we've been force fed. It is a truly shocking thing to hear you say that there was more freedom post 1865.

That would be Lincoln Unmasked (not Unmasking Lincoln)

It is a truly shocking thing to hear you say that there was more freedom post 1865.

Yes that's right. Clearly freeing the slaves = less freedom. THIS IS WHAT NEO-CONFEDERATE ACTUALLY BELIEVE.

Try those books LAS.
I too thought that way once.
Hint: The War Between the States had nothing to do with freeing the slaves, tho of course that was at least one good outcome. Father Abraham himself was -- get your smelling salts out -- a white supremacist with zero interest in liberating negroes (the then common term).

600,000 dead. All other nations abolished slavery through peaceful means including compensated freedom. Ron Paul was RIGHT about this.

Trust me: you will get a LOT out of those three books starting with Hamilton's Curse. And GROW as a libertarian.

LAS, of course there is such a thing as 'State's Rights'. These are political not natural rights, and are embedded in a particular Constitution.

And, as me no dhimmi says, a divided sovereignty creates political (and economic) competition. But note, this is division-in-a-federation. Not totally sovereign states in adversarial competition, but division of powers. The Obama Regime is destroying these dividions of power.

Occam, with the full updated edited version of the ant and the grasshopper story, perfectly describes the Soviet Union and its satellites @ 11:41.

LAS said: "No one has the right to create a slave state."

Oh. My. Gawd. Are you the thickest brick in the out house or what? Rights? Are you kidding me?

The tyrant with the most followers and the biggest guns can create any kind of state he d@mn well pleases, as is presently happening RIGHT NOW in the Sudan, Egypt, Syria, Libya and many other places in the world. For that matter its happening not very far away, in Mexico. Drug cartels use slave labor, right now, in South America and Mexico. For real.

Conquerors can do anything they like. Any d@mn thing at all. That's what the word "conqueror" means.

If we want to keep our nice country with the lovely parks and the oil and the no-sparrow-shall-fall social arrangement, which I assume you do, we will eventually have to go do war upon some of those slave keeping types. Probably very soon.

Wouldn't it be just swell if parts for our fighting machines were made right here in Canada, and we didn't have to buy them off some slave state? Like China?

@ Phantom
"Probably very soon."

I'm with you but we can't put a single division into the field. Still have more Generals than Tanks. German Tanks. No Navy or Airforce to speak of. Depressing and credit to Harper for trying to rebuild 50 years of neglect. As long as it's a "little war" we will punch above our weight as usual. Anything major and we are just tokens.

Dick Slater, speaking out in favour of His Catholic Majesty the King of Spain? Wonders never cease. (I say this kindly, Dick. I think it's a good thing. You should do more of it.)

LAS, in the US Constitution, the actual states ended up with more power than the Federal Government. Because as it clearly states, all things not specifically enumerated as being a power of the Federal Government is reserved unto the States. And the American Civil War, in the beginning had nothing what so ever to do with slavery, that was just a happy outcome of the deadliest war in US history. The slavery thing was an after thought. It was all about State Sovereignty vs Centralization moves by Lincoln. Don't watch so much History Channel go to the Library.

The government of France will soon make an astonishing physiological discovery: namely, that people have feet.

Draconian tax rates are rarely paid. Either rich people find ways to avoid them, perhaps by emigrating, or rich people themselves disappear.

Looks like regions have feet too.

People have feet indeed. French entrepreneurs do have feet and England can rejoice at this fact, as shown in this french tv report : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE8lZZs1nqA