I will never be in favour of electronic or Internet enabled voting.
On Monday, several voters complained that their electronic ballot machine cast the wrong vote. All the complaints were made by people who voted at the Bur-Mil Park polling location.One of the voters, Sher Coromalis, says she cast her ballot for Governor Mitt Romney, but every time she entered her vote the machine defaulted to President Obama.
In other news, Saskatchewan civic elections are today. Voter ID is required....obviously racist towards our First Nations communities.
I'm with you on that lance. I love our American friends, but the poor way they conduct the voting process has always astonished me. It's almost like the third world. Hanging chads, confusing forms, electronic voting machines, voter fraud, you name it, they've got it.
I'll never understand why Americans often go for machines and punch cards when a paper ballot never fails.
The punch cards might be read by machines. It would speed things up - if the machines worked and were programmed honestly.
People reading and counting ballots can just as easily cheat. I'm afraid that there have been some questionable results in some of our ethnic areas.
l @ 10:15 AM, in Canada all parties are allowed to have their own monitors watching the counting. Did it once myself at our local polling station. Not saying there is no fraud at all, but the process in Canada sure keeps things in check.
With an electronic voting machine it is not possible to do that.
And the idea that the most powerful country in the world would allow citizens to vote without any ID is nothing short of bizarre.
Americans don't. Politicians do. Rigging the ballot this way is easier to cover up than paying some feral farm animals to vote Democrat 15 or 20 times using a different name in each precinct. The computer won't snitch. That, and it's a one-time expense.
'It's Not the People Who Vote that Count; It's the People Who Count the Votes'
"Guilford County Board of Elections Director George Gilbert says the problem arises every election. It can be resolved after the machine is re-calibrated by poll workers."
That's amazing. Every election and they still use them. And the function desired of the machine is as simple as yes/no but that needs "calbration" by poll workers.
From success comes growth comes complexity comes failure. The United States, and all of our civilisation, seems closer to its end than to its beginning.
The day we start voting on the Internet is the day I quit voting. PERIOD !
Why would anyone trust a system that leaves no paper trail.
I have scrutineered many elections and the opportunity is there for fraud but if political parties are motivated they can have someone present during the vote and during the count. Those counts can be tabulated indepenant of Elections Canada so any difference will be known.
Allowing bureaucrats to take over elctions with electronic voting is an abdication of civic responsibility. Most Canadians should know the political leanings of Elections Canada by now! Seriously, are you going to trust them?
Bizarre. How many iPhones would Apple sell if the keypad had to be "recalibrated" regularly?
This topic comes up every election.
We have local 'electronic voting' here on the Sunshine Coast'.
You fill out your paper ballot...black out the appropriate little square...then pass your completed ballot through a scanner which counts the vote. Then your paper ballot goes into a ballot box for backup; recounts etc. Seems really simple and straightforward.
The scanned votes are already tallied by the computer when the polls close.
"The voters mean nothing the people counting the votes matter" - joseph stalin
"It's just a machine that needs to be corrected." And it gets "corrected" when? When the results fail to agree with the expected outcome? How (any) democracy can abide by this non-verifiable system escapes my understanding. Without an audit trail, you have no proven result. No conspiracy? Really?
Here in CDa we our electoral systems are very vulnerable to acts of fraud:
Three fundamental requirements that would make fraud far more difficult:
Voting only in person.
Photo voting card only
Everyone's right index finger gets dipped in India ink immediately after depositing their paper ballot in the box.
Yes, Gord Tulk, I agree that more can - and should - be done to ensure the integrity of the voting process. Unfortunately, a positive identification of the voter is not a requirement. I have seen instances of non-residents voting in a constituency as well as attempts to vote more than once. In each case, the Returning Officer either failed to exercise his/her authority or abused it. Voter ID should be a given. The vote is too precious.
This is the only way Odumbo gets re-elected...voting machines defaulting to him. Stand-by, there will be fraud, it will be widespread and it will get ugly.
Expected as much. All it takes is tiny a line of code that erases itself. The no paper trail was identified as serious concern on blogs, not sure if this important piece of information was picked up by the mainstream media.
Instead of buying thousands of votes either through persuasion or incentives, all it takes is buying out one company programmer in another country. Their new voting system was bought from a company in Spain.
Actually the US does really need impartial foreign election monitors....but not the UN types from "ratholeistan"(t/m Dennis Miller)
Problem is getting impartial observers...Libby Davies, Hedy Frye need not apply.....
The main reason Harry Reid is still a senator, is that one of his relatives maintains Nevada's electronic voting machines....it's not a rumour but general knowledge.
It is estimated by audits that 3,000,000 deceased citizens still haunt the voters lists. Efforts to clean this situation up, as mandated by an Act of Congress are openly opposed, in court, by Holder's DOJ as are any voter ID initiatives.
The Obama campaign has basically abandoned North Carolina as a lost cause because 100,000 dead folk got scrubbed from the voters lists.
Seriously, I scrutineered at a Canadian election too, paper ballots were fast, efficient, the counting was in the open, the scrutineers (at least where I did it) from all parties, split the work and recounted one another's ballots.
If there was question as to what the ballot meant it was fast to resolve, either it was completely invalid, (Failed to meet elections canada's minimum requirement)or if there was any question we'd bring over a scrutineer from some party who wasn't going to get the vote anyway, to opine.
I seriously hope one the next US administration's goals will be reform of the voting system to be more transparent.
Paper ballots.
Photo ID.
Purple finger.
No advance voting, except for serving military folks. Everyone else can take a couple of hours to show up.
Offended? I don't care. The connection to democracy one gets from actually helping in an election isn't replaced by knowing instantly what those results are.
Unions are using online strike voting in BC for ambulance workers.
Computer programs do what they are instructed to do-nothing more and nothing less.
Wasn't this in a Simpson's episode.....?
Sask. civic elections today. I strongly urge everyone in Saskatoon to cast his/her ballot as the socialists have basically given up any hope of governing the province but they sure as hell have their sights set on running the city.
Project Veritas (James O Keefe) has video of a Democrat campaign official advising on how to perpetrate massive voter fraud.
http://redalexandriava.com/2012/10/24/breaking-jim-morans-son-conspires-to-commit-voter-fraud-forge-docs-video/
the reason the americans go for the automated ballot counting is that on election day this year, they are voting for president, house of representatives, 1/3 of the senate, as many as half of the governors, state reps, state senators, mayors aldermen, DA's judges ,propositions etc. there's just no way to count all those ballots by hand- it's not just an invitation for fraud, it must be damn near impossible to understand what the hell all those different races mean.
And folks just to make it more interesting ...guess who owns the voting machine comapny in spain ....
GEORGE SOROS!!
nuff said ...looks like the end of the world may come a little sooner than dec 21 2012
@MARC IN CALGARY!!
AGREED!!!
Doti the long slow painful way this way the true patriots both left and right , the lovers of democracy freedom and liberty will show up and vote !! and the rest can continue to smoke pot , and ponder the conspiracy theories of the world and universe!!
That's not racist. All the *real* First Nations already have a status card anyway. (Is that racist?)
Paper ballots.
Photo ID.
Purple finger.
No advance voting, except for serving military folks.
YES...
simple, easy, and verifiable
Interesting that every single Canadian Indian has photo ID. I think it entitles them to free gas.
Come to North Carolina if you enjoy voting twice.
Really folks, why do we use machines at all? Just marking an X by a name or a yes or no is not a fate more terrible than ones honor. All this hockey Poky over using machines when most of us have hands is a scam.
Good for Saskatchewan for having ID voter registration. It is only common sense.
What Marc in Calgary said but I would add a mandatory IQ test beforehand.
Related ....
Man in the street NYC ....
Audio from Howard Stern version of Jwalkin.
Expected as much. All it takes is tiny a line of code that erases itself. The no paper trail was identified as serious concern on blogs, not sure if this important piece of information was picked up by the mainstream media.
As someone who writes software for a living I gotta say electronic voting should be banned completely. I suspect a whole bunch of federal liberals are going to figure that out after their leadership race.
"paying some feral farm animals to vote Democrat 15 or 20 times using a different name in each precinct."
They don't have to pay anyone anything, Dick.
Seniors and college kids do it for free.
Followed the local retirement community* vote fraud bus around one year and even took photos of it parking at various polling places and everyone getting out. Elections officials didn't care.
*said retirement community has two polling places on the grounds.