Oh, I don't know, maybe because the Pope didn't take up arms, commit war in civilian garb, or kill a medic while pretending to be wounded?
“There were, we are told, equal reasons why the current pope was not considered responsible for his membership in the Hitler Youth when he was precisely the same age (15),” he notes. “Certainly we did not try the Pope at Nuremburg, thank goodness, and it is fairly ludicrous that the US decided to try Omar Khadr as if he were an adult.”
Should have just shot the traitor.
Should have been shot in the field, in the face.
I to am embarrassed, by the media in this country who have chosen to brush off the death of the person this little rat killed.
I' m disgusted by this bull shit about child soldiers. He understood right from wrong and was a trained killer.
Did you read any of the +1400 comments Lance? *Not willing to take one for the team on that front*
My idiocy meter is pegged already and it's only monday. ect..
These same people will blame Harper when this guy gets out and massacres people.
But the lefties pride themselves in cultivating human garbage. The millions spent is such a small price to bring this proud Canadian home. Did you not see the beaming faces marching and holding signs "bring Khadar home" ? Politicians only seem to listen to the shrill voices and not the grumbles. Didn't see any rallies with signs "leave Khadar there". Layton would have been out there stating "if I had a son I would want him to be like Khadar". This is not your grandparents Canada and just think of the joy this brings to our ever growing Muslim community. Politicians know where the votes are. Too bad they can't see past the next election.
should have been shot...yup..... and it's not to late yet either!
Overall, the comments seem to be running against the Globe narrative.
The "Child soldier/young offender" and "Conservatives don't care about brown Canadians" seem to be the only comments in support of Saunders.
To these people a Maple Leaf Flag on a passport is all it takes to be a good Canadian and 15 year old must not be held accountable for their actions.
'Politicians know where the votes are. Too bad they can't see past the next election.'
Indeed. Politicians don't seem to understand that once you start feeding a viper, it will seek you out and bring an expectation.
The comments section at the Globe makes me cry. I can't beleive there are that many of them out there.
Well the biggest lie in Saunders piece is that "every definition" of child Soldier means Khadr is one. This is not true.
THe VERY FIRST trial of War Criminals using Child Soldiers was Thomas Lubango. ANd the defintion in the documents used by the International Criminal Court was that Lubango used coldiers UNDER the age of 15....not 15 and under but UNDER 15.
So Saudners, if you ar egoing to use rhetoric, and somehow get past the fact checkers and editors because you are some sort of expert get your freaking FACTS RIGHT.
So he is polemicist and not writing based on fact. But we knew that already, he just proved it.
The current pope wasn't tried at Nuremburg because he wasn't old enough to be in a position of leadership at that time. The Nuremburg Trials didn't try ALL Nazis, just the leadership. Once again a case of the left trying to rewrite history to suit their narrative.
The "child soldier" lie is wearing thin. Kadhr did not ever meet the accepted definition of a child soldier. All this compassion for Kadhr, who remains unrepentent, with none whatsoever for his victims and their familes is disgusting. I agree that it was a serious mistake not to have killed him on the spot instead of saving his life.
So what your all freaking out about nothing.
He comes back ,big whoop !!!
Just want to make few points here
A)almost every conservative has been outspoken against his return.
B)we have all been told by the left that we are silly baffoons and bigots and islamophobes!!
C) the sun news network has been doing its part to expose the guy for who he is .
In closing let me say when he commits or leads someone to commit a crime or terror act make DAMN!! Sure those that insisted on him returning feel your wrath !!! Plain and simple until he does something mum is the word!! When he does everyone who considers them selves a conservative should plaster the lefts idiocy from floor to sky non stop for years!!! To show how stupid the left ideology is!!!
Posted by: Paul in Calgary at September 29, 2012 10:52 PM
So is he being kept in solitary/isolation? I've got to think that he's a prime candidate for the wrath of other prisoners.
He came back just in time to run for the leadership of the Liberals.
Well the biggest lie in Saunders piece is that "every definition" of child Soldier means Khadr is one. This is not true.
THe VERY FIRST trial of War Criminals using Child Soldiers was Thomas Lubango. ANd the defintion in the documents used by the International Criminal Court was that Lubango used coldiers UNDER the age of 15....not 15 and under but UNDER 15.
So Saudners, if you ar egoing to use rhetoric, and somehow get past the fact checkers and editors because you are some sort of expert get your freaking FACTS RIGHT.
So he is polemicist and not writing based on fact. But we knew that already, he just proved it.
I feel dirty just clicking on that link. I have to go take a shower. It's all PMSH fault. Oh wait let me think...The Lieberals were in charge for some of that time too. The poor little douche should be in gen pop and let nature take its course. Same should have been done with Clifford Olsen.
I'm sure there are a couple or so cons in the penitentiary who consider themselves patriots of Canada, who may be willing to take care of business. Many of the older soldiers and sailors I met at the beginning of my career were given a choice by a judge to join the CF or go to jail.
Comparing Omar Khadr to the Pope? Seriously? Whoever wrote that piece of trash should be held civilly and financially responsible for Khadr for the rest of his life.
Craig Oliver is crazy!
There, I feel better. I've never said it before.
After the first comment and the replies to it, I lost my appetite. Please God, let someone in Millhaven finish what the Americans should have done!
I'm also confused as to why any Al-Qaeda militants were taken prisoner.
Why has the citizenship of every member of the Khadr family not been revoked? Mother Khadr has stated publicly that 'we are an Al-Qaeda family'. Since the stated goal of Al-Qaeda is to bring down western civilization belonging to it is surely a breach of the oath of citizenship, not to mention taking up arms against our allies. I'm kinda broke this month, but I'll happily chip in for one-way tickets to their native Pakistan for the whole bunch.
Re the pope having been a member of the Hitler Youth, my boss 24 years ago was Austrian and he explained it this way, "I was 12 and they let me fly gliders, of course I joined."
@ favill
"patriots of Canada, who may be willing to take care of business"
Can almost guarantee that Khadr will be segregated with all the amenities to make him comfortable. Too much interest in him for prison officials to chance a mishap if he were placed in general population. Also would not want to contaminate others of the Muslim faith (heh) as he has never shown remorse for killing the medic that tried to help him. He was seen as the leader at guantanamo lockup. Any hope of flushing this piece of flotsam will have to wait until he's released.
“There were, we are told, equal reasons why the current pope was not considered responsible for his membership in the Hitler Youth when he was precisely the same age (15). Certainly we did not try the Pope at Nuremburg, thank goodness, and it is fairly ludicrous that the US decided to try Omar Khadr as if he were an adult,”
said "Clive Stafford Smith, the British civil-rights lawyer who has acted on behalf of at least 128 Guantanamo inmates", thus demonstrating that the difference between paying a civil-rights lawyer $500 and paying a whore $50 is $450 (and I'm probably being unfair to the whore in saying that).
I agree with the author, the treatment difference between the sex offender and Khadr are startling.
We should remedy that by putting the sex offender in Millhaven indefinitely as well.
The pope was a conscript aged 16, in 1943. The Hitler Youth was not a military organisation. Under moslem law soldiers must be volunteers, post-pubescent and at least fifteen or sixteen, the version I heard was at least fifteen (that is the prophet enlisted volunteers at age fifteen, but not fourteen). Thus Khadr was a soldier under moslem law. He was captured under US military law. While, in my view all captured enemy combatants should be held for the duration of hostilities, unless exchanged, the US sees fit to release them to murder US ambassadors, seals and other diplomatic staff.
"should have shot the punk"
I thought conservatism stood for rule of law? Or are we just going to start shooting people we don't like? If so, can the Occupy Wall Street crowd start shooting people THEY don't like? Could get messy fast.
Just sayin'.
Do tell, mister curious -- what IS the rule if law for unlawful combatants on a battlefield?
I need some help here as I don't understand Canadians supporting Khadr.
Nor do I understand the connection with a sex offender's sentence. (Hang those bas!ards also.)
He confessed (and don't give me that guff about torture!) and was given a 40-yr sentence for murdering the American medic.
Whey the He!l should Canadian taxpayers have to tolerate him?
My uncle was a genuine 14 yr old soldier in WWI who was shot by a German sniper before his 16th b'day. Spare me the boy soldier routine!
mister curious, What are the requirements for conducting war in a battlefield, under the Geneva Conventions?
Are you suggesting the "Occupy Wall Street" groups should be declared war upon? And that those rules should apply?
Mr. Kadr was outside of the protections provided to all militaries, that fight under those conventions. And the imbecile in chief B. Hussien, doesn't understand that.
The "Canadian Left" is unmatched in its hypocrisy. They hide behind the charter to defend the rights of a convicted terrorist insisting that as a Canadian he has perks of citizenship...all the while...Conrad Black should be deported to England because he faced trumped up charges following a conspiratorial persecution by Chretian and his Liberal jack-holes, leading Black to abandon citizenhip (It was a Liberal Party conspiracy against him and the National Post!)
I swear if WWII occurred in our time we would lose hands down.
In WWII, Khadr would have been tied to a poll and shot by firing squad for colluding with the enemy.
Please oh please Bibi,could we borrow a couple of agents just for a few days?Watch for this POS to get some kind of copensation awarded to him from some bleeding heart liberal judge.
The pope was a conscript aged 16, in 1943. The Hitler Youth was not a military organisation. Under moslem law soldiers must be volunteers, post-pubescent and at least fifteen or sixteen, the version I heard was at least fifteen (that is the prophet enlisted volunteers at age fifteen, but not fourteen). Thus Khadr was a soldier under moslem law. He was captured under US military law. While, in my view all captured enemy combatants should be held for the duration of hostilities, unless exchanged, the US sees fit to release them to murder US ambassadors, seals and other diplomatic staff.
Posted by: oldfart at October 1, 2012 5:43 PM
oldfart....please say that is a misnomer.Khadr was never an enemy combatant under the Geneva Convention.He wore no uniform,killed civillians,used civillians as hostages,ad naseuam
In WWII, Khadr would have been tied to a poll and shot by firing squad for colluding with the enemy."
That's "pole",Mark,the other would mean voter suppression.
It's going to be a real bitch, in about five years,to be required to refer to Our Little Omar as "The Right Honorable Member " from wherever.
Probably somewhere in Ontario,Jack's old Riding,maybe?
He should be dead already if it were not for the generousity of on site medics and support groups. WTF were they thinking? They showed mercy, considering this "child soldier" foucker killed one of their own. I don't think it likely if the roles were reversed and the muzzies in charge. To the left we are the savages for our outrage? PMSH is going to pay a price for this one....from me at least.
bverwey
@justthinking Agreed under the Geneva convention strictly Khadr was not a legal enemy combatant. Should he and all other Taliban prisoners be tried and shot? Discuss! The Nazis routinely did this to captured guerrillas, and the US militray considered that this was legal.
don...
The "Right" Honorable (that's how we spell it in the Republic of Alberta) Omar Khadr would mean that he's either the new P.M., the New Gov'nor General, or the Chief Justice.
I think he's got the inside track on Chief Imam of the Greater Toronto Metro area. pbum.
He was a minor and that's really all that matters. It's also unclear that he killed Speers. Khadr's due process rights were violated. Government doesn't exist to compensate for your feelings of powerlessness deal with it.
All I'm saying is one week in GenPop, and we'll never hear about the little murderer again. Surely some patriotic member of the prison service will make an honest mistake with the paper work for the sake of the rest of us.
Three lies in four sentences. C'mon, LAS, you can do better than that and go four for four.
Las he pleaded guilty. Or are you to stupid to see what it is to plead guilty. Make all the shit up you want, but he killed someone and he should have been shot on sight. There is not a person anywhere that thinks he was a minor. Read the Geneva Convention.
The link to the ICC case on lubanga case. The first conviction on child soldiers, so the only operational Definition of child soldier, as in one actually used in a court.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhiG6_83pbc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Saunders is wrong.
Oh and if he was correct, where I'd his column calling for mama khadr to be hauled up on child abuse or abetting the recruitment of child soldiers.
Sorry here is the link. Ignore above
http://iccnow.org/?mod=drctimelinelubanga
mister curious >
“If so, can the Occupy Wall Street crowd start shooting people THEY don't like? Could get messy fast.”
Yea. Like a whole lot of dead rapists and wannabe hippies in a heartbeat.
The occupy wienies are not selflessly suicidal, just selfish and pathetically suicidal. If they ever opened up with real firearms on the police they would have hellfire raining down on them from every sector of society, public and private.
They would be scraping them up with bulldozers and gravel trucks by the end of the week.
Because I will not sign up with the socialist propaganda paper, I will say something here.
Saunders obviously is an idiot, aside of pretending to be a “journalist”.
This is difficult to write, because most people that grew up in relative freedom of democracy will not accept the truth. The truth is so strange that it sounds bizarre and made up.
The Pope, grew up in national socialism, the membership in national socialist organizations was not a choice. It was an order. If you did not join, the national socialists would join you all by themselves.
Now it is only a deduction on my part that this happened. Growing in a socialist setup run by communists was not different; since they found that in a totalitarian dictatorship it works the same, whoever is in charge.
I had to be a young spark (cute little scout style white shirt and blue pants), then graduate into pioneer (cute little scout style white shirt with cute little red handkerchief around the neck), then graduate into a unionist (blue scout type of shirt, white pants, this is different than trade union).
By the way I traded my red hankie with Chou-En Lai’s,(or if you prefer Zhou Enlai) when he visited my home town, that though is another story alltogether.
It is just so completely stupid to compare the two people.
The Pope did not go around killing people.
This cadre guy killed. And he was really happy about it. His mother was ecstatic about it. His family could not be more proud. Cadres and Khaders do that you know. Cadres are very good at merciless killing.
Who is this Saunders character? Does he know anything about anything? This is so completely stupid it’s mindboggling.
Knight 99 at October 1, 2012 8:18 PM : Is that not what happened.
Take heart, people:
The Globe comments are by a self-selected sample of wankers dumb enough to waste good Tim Horton's donut and coffee money on glorified toilet paper.
Yes,LAS is too stupid to understand anything other than liberal dumbass talking points.You are an idiot LAS,deal with that.
Las he pleaded guilty. Or are you to stupid to see what it is to plead guilty. Make all the shit up you want, but he killed someone and he should have been shot on sight. There is not a person anywhere that thinks he was a minor. Read the Geneva Convention.
I don't need to make anything up. The interrogators who interviewed Khadr have been implicated in a unit that beat Afghan detainees to death, so his confession is suspect.
http://reason.com/blog/2008/07/15/you-call-this-an-interrogation
And eyewitness to the killing Speer says Khadr was unconscious when he was killed. Khadr's report was altered in grossly inappropriate ways. http://www.thestar.com/article/345838
There is not a person anywhere that thinks he was a minor.
If you can count to 15 and understand that 15
...is less than 18, then you can understand Khadr was a minor, unless you're to dishonest to want to.