Now is the time at SDA when we juxtapose!
Contrary to the president’s assertion, the creation of aircraft carriers and submarines did not mean that we needed fewer ships. Quite the contrary. Aircraft carriers need just as many if not more supporting vessels than the obsolete battleships that no are no longer under commission. So do subs. The decline in naval strength compromises America’s ability to project power abroad. That is particularly true in places like the Persian Gulf, where President Obama is trying to sound as tough with Iran as Romney.Even more foolish is the president’s attempt to portray contemporary naval vessels with cavalry horses. That says more about his own lack of understanding of the military than Romney’s. It also may cost him some votes in a state that he still hopes to win: Virginia, home of the largest U.S. Naval base in the country and hotbed of support for a stronger military.
Some commentators reckon O lost Virginia on that snide and ridiculous comment One certainly hopes.
The petty little man kept inserting his childish one liners. What does a goat herder know about the real Military?
Mitt will be President!
have a friend who did 7 tours in Nam, a seal, and very proficiant with a "knife", Ouseless is a disgrace
You could drive a truck -- er, a bayonet? -- through Obama's gaffs and untruths tonight, including his condescending -- and incorrect -- talk of horses and bayonets in the military.
Not to be outdone on the gaff front, however, here's Rogers/Yahoo's verdict on the debate tonight: "Obama rattles Romney in final debate."
You wonder if they were watching the same debate because it was the other way around. Romney rattled Obama; he really got under his skin and it showed. Obama came across as thin-skinned, petulant, and juvenile, whereas Romney kept a cool, calm, mature demeanor. Some would say presidential.
Victor Davis Hanson:
In the third debate, Obama had to show in 90 minutes that the first two debates were a fluke, and that Romney was not presidential enough to end his tenure. He did not do that by any means; for all his pique, interruptions, and attacks, Obama scored few points against the workmanlike Romney who knew that he simply did not have to lose. In any debate, when the two score comparable points, the more aggressive and petulant usually comes off less well, especially given that Romney’s tone and expression were more like the reflective performance of his wildly successful first debate. The take-away quotes and sound bites from the debate will favor Romney.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/331313/romney-should-be-pleased-victor-davis-hanson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_sq77nBus4
Surviving the Cut: Marine Recon Full [HD]
Looks to be pretty challenging, for those youthful and not afraid of muscle fatigue.
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Governor Romney is much more Presidential than that other guy who didn't know that bayonets are still quite useful:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/6178044/British-officer-wins-two-gallantry-awards-for-fending-off-Taliban-attack-with-bayonet.html
Slap Shot:
What does a goat herder know about the real Military?
Very succinct comment.
Mitt Romney will be President if he wins the Electoral College, and I hope he does.
This was a horribly condescending moment for Obamao.
What a disgusting small minded POS he is.
Well Obambam's nonsense about horses and bayonets certainly shows his ignorance about modern warfare for instance in Afghanistan riding horses is often the only practical way of performing certain tasks. Oh well if reinforces his image in the eyes of the average marine corpse man who is trained in the use of bayonets..... Not that his image can be much lower.
Obama should spend some more time reading:
Horse Soldiers: The Extraordinary Story of a Band of US Soldiers Who Rode to Victory in Afghanistan [Hardcover]
Doug Stanton (Author)
Horse Soldiers is the dramatic account of a small band of Special Forces soldiers who secretly entered Afghanistan following 9/11 and rode to war on horses against the Taliban. Outnumbered forty to one, they pursued the enemy across mountainous terrain and, after a series of intense battles, captured the city of Mazar-i-Sharif, which was strategically essential if they were to defeat the Taliban.
The bone-weary American soldiers were welcomed as liberators, and overjoyed Afghans thronged the streets. Then the action took a wholly unexpected turn. During a surrender of six hundred Taliban troops, the Horse Soldiers were ambushed. Dangerously outnumbered, they fought for their lives in the city's immense fortress, Qala-i-Janghi, or the House of War. At risk were the military gains of the entire campaign: if the soldiers perished or were captured, the effort to defeat the Taliban might be doomed.
As the Americans struggled to hold the fortress, they faced some of the most intense urban warfare of our time. But until now the full story of the Horse Soldiers has never been told. Doug Stanton received unprecedented cooperation from the U.S. Army's Special Forces soldiers and Special Operations helicopter pilots, as well as access to voluminous after-battle reports. In addition, he interviewed more than one hundred participants and walked every inch of the climactic battleground.
This exciting story is filled with unforgettable characters: brave Special Forces soldiers, tough CIA operatives, cunning Afghan warlords, anxious stateside soldiers' wives who do not know where their husbands have gone, and humble Afghan boys spying on the Taliban.
Deeply researched and beautifully written, Stanton's account of America's quest to liberate an oppressed people touches the mythic. The Horse Soldiers combined ancient strategies of cavalry warfare with twenty-first-century aerial bombardment technology to perform a seemingly impossible feat. Moreover, their careful effort to win the hearts of local townspeople and avoid civilian casualties proved a valuable lesson for America's ongoing efforts in Afghanistan.
Horse Soldiers is a big-hearted and thrilling read, with an epic story that reaches not just across the cold mountains of Afghanistan but into the homes of small-town America, and confirms Doug Stanton as one of our country's preeminent storytellers.
Enjoy the read...
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
batb: "Obama came across as thin-skinned, petulant, and juvenile" Excellent choice of words. Obama may have been aggressive, but I felt he did not connect with the audience (viewers), whereas Romney did. If the most important thing in this debate was style, then Romney won. I found him much more credible and coherent. Every once in a while I felt Obama went out of focus -- and I kept waiting for him to forget what he was going to say. That did not happen, but he definitely seemed to me to be wandering at times -- relating the same old talking points (we need good education), but not really appearing particularly lucid.
Linda; he was not wandering, but obfuscating, ragging the puck, playing out the clock, the man is a Maxsist dud.
I was not happy with this debate because there was much Romney could have hammered Obama on but did not (like his Chinese stock, Libya, his inflated opinion of himself the US abroad). Still, he got in a few cracks. Better than nothing, I guess.
Yeah, bayonets are still standard kit, and special ops is very proficient with horses.
Basically a horse is more mobile and can traverse most terrain that a man can that vehicles can't.
During WW2, the Red Army had generally about 100,000 mounted troops, employed in the same role as Jeb Stewart's confederate cavalry. Cutting communications and supply lines....recon...
Stop reaching or you'll pull a muscle. Bayonets are used but they've never made the difference on the battlefield since...ever. It was a good line just deal with it.
Obama's 1917 crack came off as demeaning and patronising. For a guy who thought Austrians spoke Austrian and campaigned in "57" states, he's not one to impress his alleged intellectual acumen on everyone.
"Bayonets are used but they've never made the difference on the battlefield since...ever."
~LAS
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/05/british-sergeant-brian-wood-someone-you-should-know.html
Must have been when you were still in short pants, LAS.
(Note to Leftists: history didn't just start this morning)
Blackfive, knowing a thing or two of what they speak.
Um, Ox. The linked article mentions nothing about actually using the bayonets. Swing and a miss.
The Krauthammer analysis...
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/23/krauthammer-on-romneys-unequivocal-win-romney-went-large-obama-went-very-very-small/
I saw this:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/331197/superpower-bystander-mark-steyn
"The best way to to end a war is to lose it." (George Orwell.)
If I was American, I`d cheer for the right, but I`d vote for Obama.
Germany and Japan might agree...or not.
Same Action: Successful Bayonet Attack
May 2004 Basra Iraq
Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of the British Army 16th Air Assault Brigade
Motto: Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
No One Assails Me With Impunity
When ammunition ran low among the British troops, the decision was made to fix bayonets for a direct assault.
The British soldiers charged across 600 feet of open ground toward enemy trenches. They engaged in intense hand-to-hand fighting with the militiamen. Despite being outnumbered and lacking ammunition, the Argylls and Princess of Wales troops routed the enemy. The British troops killed about 20 militiamen in the bayonet charge and between 28 and 35 overall.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bd_1249524865
Thank you for that, Oz.
Four years and he finally discovers the navy he commands has these new fangled things called submarines and air craft carriers.
Guess between fund raisers he must have made a detour through Norfolk Virgina.
From the article: "one soldier recalls the day his unit was forced to fix bayonets and engage in close-quarter combat with insurgents." Hardly a swing and a miss. LAS, no wonder you like Obama - say a bunch of lies on the hopes no one checks on them.
The article doesn't mention anything about actually firing their guns either - I guess that means they didn't.
Os. Kin. at 1:22 AM: Mark Steyn poses the questions we are all asking. Did you read Hillbuzz's theory about why the U.S. gov't and military passively listened to the struggle in Benghazi and did nothing to save the living (now dead)? That blog speculated that Obama's admin was trying to create an election-winning event, a hostage scenario, wherein they could come off as big heroes and skillful diplomats and negotiators by trading the blind sheik for the captured ambassador and security team. It all went wrong when the Americans were killed instead of captured and Obama's administration members have spent the rest of the time trying to cover up what they let happen.
It's a sordid, scurvy, sleazy Hollywood-plot-like scenario, but then, that's the left, after all.
The bipartisan solution is obviously welding bayonets to submarines.
@max...that would be cool...but those bayonets better be 30 feet long...so you could ram a ship from directly below. LOL
I was amazed at Barry last night with that bit about the Navy. Not that he held that opinion, but that he was dumb enough to voice it.
Say, maybe this is why you always see -Russian- ships in DemocRat tv commercials!
LAS - "It was a good line..."...as if a presidential debate is a face off in a comedy club.
I think the undecided voter is weary of the games and does not decide who to vote for on the basis of who has the best one liners.
Did I hear Obama correctly? Did he say "ships" that go under water? Someone should tell him that ships that go under water are called "sunk".
Good point, Syd B. A submarine is called a boat, never a ship.
My take away from the debate last night was that Obama targeted his base, rather than the independent voter, that's why he was so snarky. Turn out with black voters we be down greatly(gay issue & job/economic) and he needs to ralley young snarky liberals, feminazis and union workers. If his base isn't revved up, Obama will have a hard time to get them to vote once, little lone twice or more!
Although last night Romney didn't b*tch slap Obama around on the issues like many of us wanted him to, he wasn't campaigning to us or his base, Romney was campaigning to independents and soccer moms, and I think his strategy will pay off huge. His base is locked up already, enthused(crowds still growing), and can't wait till Nov. 6th.
The sign that Obama was done three weeks ago, was when the Washington Post and NY Times began increasing the Dem sample from +5 to +8, to +10, even +13, just to keep Obama in the game up to the first debate. After that there was nothing they(MSM) could do but let Romney rise in the polls.
Obama in that clip impressed me. In his four years in office he has learned from dealing with defence matters that aircraft carriers are ships that airplanes can land on and that submarines go under water.
How did someone this unAmerican come to occupy the white house? Jefferson must be spinning in his grave.
Looks like bayonets is it then...against the next agressor. We can make em by the thousands every day starting right NOW. But it takes upwards of 10 years or so from design stage to complete an aircraft carrier.
Looks like bayonets is it then...against the next agressor. We can make em by the thousands every day starting right NOW. But it takes upwards of 10 years or so from design stage to complete an aircraft carrier.
The decline in naval strength compromises America’s ability to project power abroad.
America won't be able to run the world-horrors!
LAS said: "America won't be able to run the world-horrors!"
Ok, I'll bite. Who'd you rather have then?
Those of us who never served in the US military might be forgiven for thinking it's roughly half white and half black, with a few token hispanics, based on the Oliver Stone films we've seen. In fact, the proportion of both is very nearly equal to their proportion of total population. That means there are a lot of black veterans out there who are going to be mightily PO'd at Bambam. They might not vote for Romney, but they're not going to vote for a man who denigrated them so badly. And I'll bet they'll be trying to influence their friends and relatives not to vote for him either.
It's reminiscent of his 'guns and religion' comment. He got away with that one because every one still thought he was the black Messiah but now they know he's just a black mess. I don't see how anyone can think this was a "good line"; it will definitely upset a large number of people who otherwise might have voted for him, and I doubt very much it will entice a single person to switch from undecided to Bambam's camp.
Ideally, Phantom, nobody. But certainly the American people should not be hefting this baggage.
This is somewhat amusing:
How Asia saw last night's debate
Not sure how important bayonets on guns are for people-warfare, but in some wars bayonets on helmets worn by dogs works.
The only thing more frightening than a bayonet charge is a horse charge. The former in tight quarters is still usefull, if not heart stopping.