Whaa?

Sorry i don't want a country of over a billion people owning any land in my country , companies sure , buildings sure but not the land on witch the building resides .

Any country that grinds up forced aborted babies and makes health pills out of them is not a country i want to do buisness with.

I hope that harper understands the basics and does not get lost and wrapped up in all the complicated crap , because i worry about china, and russia,and india . pretty much anyone else outside of the dictatorships , i am o.k. with doing buisness with as they seem to be moslty trust worthy and do not steal our technology right from under our noses....hmmm maybe the chicoms are just gypsies in discuise.

Brian Adams implies that the Chicoms are not our friends. That makes me sad, in fact it cuts like a knife.

Why is it when I see ChiComs I automatically think Chicago Commies?

Letting foreign governments especially communists run business in Canada is a perilous territory. A lot as in whole lot of unintended consequences.

It is understandable that those that own shares in Nexen are stalking for the kill. We are talking big coin.

However a foreign communist government should be out of bounds.

For the ignorant, notice that it is about government, not private enterprise.

End of story.

Letting foreign governments especially communists run business in Canada is a perilous territory. A lot as in whole lot of unintended consequences.

It is understandable that those that own shares in Nexen are stalking for the kill. We are talking big coin.

However a foreign communist government should be out of bounds.

For the ignorant, notice that it is about government, not private enterprise.

End of story.

Apology for double post.

Wholeheartedly agree with Lev. Listening to CBC radio the other day (of all places), one speaker made the point that Albertans went apeshit at the prospect of having their oil resources nationalized by Trudeau 30 years ago, but seem to be peachy-keen with having them effectively nationalized by the Chinese?

Does not compute. China is not a friendly government. We can trade with them, but we should not permit them this kind of doors-wide-open access to our economy when they simply do not and will not permit like access to theirs.

The only ethic a communist has is the advancement of its agenda. No lie or deception is too great. But, China is no longer a pure communist country and has married the ethics of a communist to its national interest and to unethical business practices.

I would not trust China any further than I could throw it.

The Chinese are NOT our friends. Getting into bed with them like this is a huge mistake. In fact I would go as far as to say that this cyber attack is an act of war and should be treated as such.

The need for investment capital to develop the oil sands has been an ongoing struggle for decades. The fact that easterners never provided much of that capital and that the Americans did is not forgotten by westerners. It was only when profits started coming in that easterners, first under Turdeau and is NEP swindle up to Dion under the guise of 'carbon credits', that the east tried for a slice of the cash flow.

I don't trust the Chinese and think any participation on their part should be in the form of investment capital with perhaps guranteed access to a % of production. No operational control.

A retired NASA engineer was telling me that they were aware of the Chinese operating a international spy agency which spends most of its time stealing industrial and scientific info. NASA guards its cyber security very closely but still had the Chinese penetrate as they have the Pentagon. The USA's biggest concern was keeping up to date on what had been stolen as prevention was almost impossible.

Not that many years ago that CISIS warned of the Chinese trying to influence Canadian politicans all the way down to the municipal level. A hugh national security risk.

Get a firewall. Pure alarmist hyperbole to scare us into accepting Federal legislative attacks on internet freedom.

Um, no, Occam. The truth is that computer and especially networking technology is woefully unreliable and almost impossible to secure effectively. Add to this the fact that the overwhelming majority of IT organizations simply don't have the expertise, the talent or the political clout to actually impose security and what you have is a wide-open, vulnerable networks everywhere.

A firewall doesn't make you secure. It just makes you think you're secure. That's actually worse.

What Daniel said.

No firewall will stop information being passed on if the physical infrastructure is compromised.

Nor will the vast majority of firewalls catch application layer hijacks.

Nor will they protect data in transit past the firewall (obviously).

Firewalls are useful, adding an application layer
firewall adds a bit more security.

Communication and storage with encryption adds more security.

None should be relied on.

Since when is the artsy-fartsy Left suddenly concerned about "National Security", especially with a Communist country?

I remember back in the day when Communist China's "Mao jacket" was all the fashion rage -- I'm pretty sure you can find plenty of old photos of Adams wearing one too. For those who are old enough to remember, blue jeans and the wearing of denim in general was heavily influenced by the official State-sanctioned worker's uniform in Maoist China which was romanticized in the West going as far back as the '60's.

Methinks a bit of feigned outrage against those "nasty Commies" going on here, simply because it's the Harper Conservatives, Alberta oil sands, etc. involved.

Not that there aren't legitimate security concerns with Harper's China deals, but my memory isn't that bad that I've forgotten already how Ignatieff continually harangued Harper for not getting closer to China, and how Olivia Chow went bonkers and called it "racism" when CSIS warned us about Chinese spies only a few years ago.

@ Occam at 11:35 AM

Does the name Wen Ho Lee ring a bell?

Really, I am surprised at the claims of some people. Cnooc is a publicly traded company on the New York stock market and the Hong Kong market. It will on purchase of Nexen list on the TSX. It in no way will own Alberta or any portion of the Province. It is purchasin a private corp. which operates world wide but has its roots in Alberta. The Gov't of Alberta owns and controls the resource eg. oil.It charges a royalty for each barrel extracted, the Co. will also pay Can. taxes, and will retain the Alberta head office. Northern Gateway pipeline if built will be owned by Enbridge and probably some B.C. indians.

The simple fact that China will behave, like any other Corporation, in thier best interests is almost hilarious.

Canada just has to insure they (Canada) know how to set RULES and manage the relationship. Stop with the stupid

I have less a problem when foreign businesses buy out Canada relegating us to branch-plant status. We have lost Stelco, Alcan, and Inco recently. Having a communist dictatorship own a chunk of us when they do not reciprocate ticks me off.

Oops, I think my comment @1:29pm confused the diplomat with the singer Bryan Adams.

Oh well, diplomats these days are artists too!
;-)

In related news, anybody seen the first ChiCom aircraft carrier? Pretty cool -- has a ramp that looks like a skaters wet dream. BTW, when is Canada going to build its first aircraft carrier? No worries anyway, we can always take out the Chinese with one of our cranky broken subs.

Just make sure they feed the mouse that turns the propeller wheel.

They are still our benefactors. Let all of their investments and immigrants in.

ricardo, 1st aircraft carrier? Google HMCS Bonaventure, HMCS Magnificent and HMCS Warrior.

ricardo: Google HMCS Bonaventure.

In the classic "Prisoner's Dilemma", where your only choices are co-operate or rat out your friend, game theory has proven that the most effective strategy is to co-operate on the first move, and then do what ever your friend did on his last move. It's called 'tit for tat'.

Which is what we should do with China. They won't allow any foreign companies to buy or have majority stakes, so we should not let Chinese companies have majority shares of any Canadian company. They're going to need our oil, so we have a position of strength. Let's use it.

China is also going to need our food exports.
It's time we started using food as a weapon, not just with China but leaverage in our trade policy generally.
That means we've got to end internal production blockages like the Quebec dairy monopoly.

@ Kevin B
They won't allow any foreign companies to buy or have majority stakes, so we should not let Chinese companies have majority shares of any Canadian company.

That's putting a free country like Canada at the same footing as Communist China. As if policemen and criminals should be subjected to the same rules.

Even if the CCP allows us to own their (technologically backward) companies, we must not allow them to own our high-tech (RIM) or strategic firms (POT).

Rizwan:

It's not putting us on the same footing as China. American and European companies are free to buy Canadian firms. But China won't let us play in their backyard, so they shouldn't be allowed to play in ours.

And your last sentence is completely at odds with your first one. So we should let China buy up companies, except for 'strategic' ones? Who decides that? And what kind of freedom is it that allows for a random and politicized process? A little consistency would be appreciated.

They won't allow any foreign companies to buy or have majority stakes, so we should not let Chinese companies have majority shares of any Canadian company. They're going to need our oil, so we have a position of strength.

1) That's not true there's just been an agreement hammered out that allow Canadian access to Chinese markets.

2)'Retaliating' by blocking Chinese investment is like getting back at somebody for shooting themselves in the foot by shooting yourself in the foot. Stupido.

) That's not true there's just been an agreement hammered out that allow Canadian access to Chinese markets.

Do learn to read, will you? The new Canada-China trade agreement still does not allow Canadian companies to take over Chinese ones, which is the issue I raised. Yes, it gives greater access to the market in theory, but the Chinese are notoriously xenophobic, and most companies succeed on the strength of their local connections. I suspect the agreement is just window dressing, trying to pressure the Tories into allowing the Nexen takeover.

70% of our exports to China is oil, wood, ores, foodstuffs, and organic chemicals like potash. No value added there. We have a $30 billion annual trade deficit with China. If you think those numbers are going to change substantially, you're dreaming.

Why on Earth are we trading with this octopus anyway?

'Cause they've got the money - devalued US currency. Lots of it. They gotta launder it somewhere and the Iranians won't take it, nor Russians or anybody else these days. We can use it to buy milk products in Buffalo.

0% of our exports to China is oil, wood, ores, foodstuffs, and organic chemicals like potash. No value added there.

I see you subscribe to the Labor Theory of Value. No need to take your musings on economics too seriously.

Kevin B. - As a foreigner of any nationality, try to buy any Canadian newspaper, T.V. station or cable or satellite, or if you prefer any Can. bank! No restrictions in canada - give yor hrad a shake!

lance @ September 28 3:31 PM
and
Rocky View Redneck @ September 28 3:46 PM,

Apologies, I never heard that Canada had aircraft carriers (and I'm definitely old enough to remember). I blame the CBC -- dominated the media in those days so they made sure the general public never heard about our defence capabilities, just in case somebody used an aircraft carrier to shoot radical feminist students in Quebec. ;-)

Okay, so here's the consolation prize, rare footage of the HMCS Bonaventure in action: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MFr_9CbRgBE)

Unfortunately she was scrapped in 1970. Isn't it about time we built a new one -- a heck of a lot easier to deploy from if we want to protect Arctic and coastal waters, no?