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Must be a lot of pissed off folks over there, what with all the Drone Strikes and the bragging about whacking Osama . . . "Osama is Dead! "GM is Alive" . . . "We Came. We Saw. He Died"

Lots and lots of angry folks with the means and the passion to get some payback for being mocked, being toyed with, being spurned.

Thank you Barry . . . because you are Foreign Policy genius.

I don't think,there's any doubt that this was orchestrated to take place on 9-11, which leads me to believe that it was also to include an episode in Tehran, which would involve Canadians. The fact that they claim to be in a hissy fit over a movie that none of them have seen is contrived, particularly when they can get cranked up over the swirl on a DQ ice cream cone.

Nice try Lance.

Dempsey made it loud and clear it would not back Israel if it attacked Iran. Do you think Iran would piss off the Americans for them to change their minds? Now who has been the angriest since Dempsey’s statement? Neten-ya-hoo has gone ballistic now knowing the American military won’t do the Zionist bidding. And it’s about time. Put that into your thought procees Lance.

I thought about linking PMSH's decision last week to this, but as the title says, not enough info.

I am inclined to believe the CDN embassy in Iran was shut down because of intelligence, but there's nothing to support it.

For instance, if there was intel, why just a CDN reaction and not an American one as well. (i.e. why were they at an unsecured consulate instead of locked down?)

Oh I have no doubt the Muslim Brotherhood has been working on the slaughter and protests for a while now, it took some time to get the frothing hateful Islamists into a frothing snit. They need a cover story to show the world they weren't celebrating the murder of nearly 3000 Americans on 911.

GM is alive, Osama is dead.

Do another celebration dance, you Democrat morons!

CBC radio ( drive home from work) is blaming the Christians and Terry Jones because they are connected to the film that 'provoked' the attack.
It's settled.

If it walks like jihad and talks like jihad, it's probably jihad. No way that this was some spontaneous outburst.

My guess is that it generally boils down to Islam.

"Put that into your thought procees Lance."

Hey Shawn,
Waking up to the news that Tel Aviv had been destroyed during the night by a nuclear missile would be like a personal triumph for you wouldn't it?

C'mon Shawn, you can tell us.

Shawn, Islam isn't homogeneous. N.Africa and the M.E. are as suspicious of Iran as Israel is.

You aren't thinking. The question was, "what entity wants to diminish US influence on the Arab Street"

If you come up with 'Israel' to that question, you're being foolish. At this moment, Israel is in need of friends, not enemies and certainly not the US as an enemy.

Remember 1992? What countries took out the Kuwait invasion?

Think.

"what entity wants to diminish US influence on the Arab Street"

Russia. Vladimir Putin.

And,while the MB did not win the Libyan election,they took 36 of 100 seats assigned to political Parties. The other 100 seats are assigned to Independents,so we really have no idea where the MB stands, power-wise,in Libya.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=226281

Good article on Russia/China/Iran relationships.

Two embassy attacks on the anniversary of 9/11, each symbolically representing a fallen tower; and the consequent diminishing of the US as a global power.

I would put this as a planned 'sharp stick in the eye'; and the so called video is merely a street cover story.

I would put even money, this was no 'spontaneous uprising'; but rather a planned action by proxy.

Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

Makes for an interesting news story.

"Arab Spring Rage"

http://www.youtube.com/user/scrappleface?feature=results_main

How long will it be before some enterprising reporter debunks this story?

The idea that a relatively unknown film about Islam surfacing on the internet had anything to do with these embassy attacks is simply not credible. It is more likely that someone in the Obama Campaign war room decided to put this bogus story out there in order to use it as a backdoor through which Romney's religious beliefs and his foreign policy could be attacked either directly or indirectly.

If as some believe that those at the highest level in the Obama Campaign are not prepared to let any good crisis go to waste then the attacks on the two embassies became an opportunity that could be exploited politically. To achieve that end it meant using the mainstream media to propagate the narrative about a film on Islam being the cause of the embassy attacks.

"The majority of the populace supports the US.

Benghazi was the major recruitment point in Libya for Jihadis to join al-Qaeda and fight in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Look it up.

The question was, "what entity wants to diminish US influence on the Arab Street"

France. It's one of the reasons they supplied the machettes in Rwanda.
They still fancy themselves to be a Great Power and since they really can't become more powerful their only way to compete is to diminish the power of others.

1/ I agree, its unlikely to have been spontaneous or advocated by Mullahs.
2/ Two embassies, four dead- not very effective really, how many are lost in Afghan on a regular basis? It doesn't compare to what they were doing a decade ago.
3/ It must have increased viewership of that film a thousandfold.
4/ Makes western concessions to Muslim sensibilities somewhat harder to make.
5/ Most likely an own goal by some Muslim group- I doubt anyone else could raise a mob in either Libya or Egypt, never mind both.

Savages have no respect for Embassies, that's been obvious since '79. Canada should shutter all of them in Muslim lands.

Sorry Lance.The Iraels do not have to worry about the Yanks having less influence in Arab land.They all ready have none.The Islamofascists are about afraid of the Yanks as a whale is of being wet.They have their Muzzie chief in the WH.And again,did anybody see Slick Willy BOWING to the ears?
You can bet your homestead that Israel is battening down the hatches,and could care less about the US,UN,or anybody else who stands in their way of saving themselves(a lesson we would all be well to take)Do you honestly think that if that had been an Israeli embassy burning,the planes would not be flying? And only a fool thinks these attacks where not planned to happen on 911,which,unfortunately,accounts for about 100% of the Western world,starting with the EU,Britain,Canada,and the former US.

"Islam isn't homogeneous"

I wonder about that. On some issues, they sure seem to be. Their hatred for other religions seems fairly universal. One exception could be the American based Nation of Islam, though I've yet to see outright condemnation of terrorist acts.

Lance, nice analysis. I agree with you, that Iran is behind both the Egyptian riot and the Libyan terrorist attack and murders.

At this point, I wouldn't be too surprised if it came out that the Obama administration had intel of a pending attack and decided to just let it happen.

The whole Fast 'n Furious thing really shows just how far this administration is willing to go for their ideology. Discussion about the economy was really starting to heat up. Now Obama-the-Osama-Slayer can try to convince people they need him for a second term to prevent a re-occurrence of 911. Forget about that little debt problem people.

President Obama does not want blame for his failed Arab Spring. The crowd in Cairo was chanting: "Obama, Obama, there are still a billion Osamas!" If he is so concerned with the feelings of the middle east, why spike the football so much over killing Osama bin Laden?

Mitt Romney did not cause this mess, it was murderous Islamic thugs that perceive Barack Obama as being weak and feckless.

What I have read, Jones was putting mohammed on trial and used this film as a presentation. Gathered from http://www.light-dark.net with google translate.

Makes sense since Jones already said he was going to do it:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372827/Terry-Jones-Mohammed-trial-Koran-burning-sparks-2nd-day-violence.html

hold Copts in the United States and advocates the division of Egypt and the establishment of Coptic state, most notably Morris Sadek, who dropped him Egyptian citizenship, and Ismet Zklma, known prime supreme body of state Coptic, alleged, in conjunction with the Rev. American radical, Terry Jones, the owner of a lawsuit burning Koran Sharif, today, Her Highness' trial popularity of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, in memory of the events of the September attacks, inside the church pastor in Florida, amid great media coverage of local U.S. TV channels. The trial of the Rev. Whitney SAP and Ted Jet and Osama Daqduq, and shared by observers Morris Sadek, and Elijah Bassily, and Ihab Jacob, and seeks to load the Prophet peace be upon him the responsibility of the September attacks, questioning in Islam, and it is not a divine message invention but is Bushra, and he does not carry peace of the land, but incites hatred against humans and bloodshed, and for the issuance of a death sentence in the right of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and extremists fired on trial «International Day for the trial of Mohammed»
. It is scheduled to present organizers trial film offensive to the Prophet peace be upon him, before the start of the trial, produced by the supreme body of the State Coptic alleged chaired by each of Ismat Zklma, Morris Sadek, and which took 3 years, and duration of 3 hours, and was prepared version dubbed him in Arabic. Said Sam Basil, director of the film, he was based in portrayal Prophet peace be upon him to books and Islamic references known that spoke about his life, without mentioning those references and books, and got «home» a copy of the film, which carries a great deal of insulting and scenes Obscene and sexual right Messenger of Allah upon him and his wives and companions.

Someone else did what I did:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=861_1347416319

Lance,
couple of points:

1) it is not an al Qaeda flag. It is, so called, flag of Jihad.Many other organizations used it, not only Al Qaeda.

2) The statement " Libya moved from "religious fundamentalism"" is not true.
The fact that Muslim Brotherhood lost election over there does not mean that there are not many people who are religious fundamentalists. It also does not mean that Libya people support USA, in fact, majority of Libyans hated USA and they still do. How on earth did you assume that they support USA when many of them are to the right of Muslim Brotherhood.
This is not a western society, it is a tribal society. A society where tribe and extended family is everything.

3) Mursi and Muslim Brotherhood do understand importance of USA, this is true. Mursi understands importance of USA money, because he needs money to stabilize his power.
Mursi is getting money from USA, from China and from Qatar. He also wants money from EU and from IMF.
Last month he was in Iran and talked with Ahmadinejad. Newspapers here noticed mis-translation but don't notice that Iran and Egypt are signing an oil agreement.
He and his organization are not only pragmatist, they are thinking in a long term. They waited long, long time to get to power, they may wait a few years more to do what they want to do.

3)It is not an entity that want to "diminish US influence on the Arab street."
You are looking at it in the wrong way.

Arabs wanted to go back to the time where they were the top dog, a numero uno.
- They tried to follow European colonizers - it did not work.
- They tried to emulate communists - it did not work.
- They tried nationalism or pan-arabism(Nasser) - for majority it also did not work.
- So now they try Islam, a religion and, at the same time, a political system, because nothing else worked .
And when it does not work, like in Pakistan, many think it is because they are not religious enough.
So it is not a single entity that want to diminish US influence on the Arab street. It is not only terrorists, or only a Muslim Brotherhood, or only a theocratic government of Iran, or only a wahabi (salafi) Saudi Arabia or emirate of Qatar.
You should look at all of it together.
As a process.
Fi sabil Illah

I think they're upset that their guy in the white house let them down so much and took out their hero and betrayed the cause.

It isn't the Al Quada flag, it is an 800 year old Islamic flag used in war and common through centuries of Islamic conquest.

I'm sure it's been mentioned, but isn't attacking a county's Embassy and killing the Ambassador considered an act of war?

O say like the British not storming the Ecuador Embassy to grab a certain d-bag?

As none of the emotional retards have seen the film in question (as they hadn't seen the Danish cartoons and other things that make them mad), it's fair to suggest that the plan was to foment rage (very easy) and watch the US do nothing, something they would be reluctant to try if the Oval Office was occupied by someone with serious stones (gone are the Reagan days). Given the wave of Islamists taking power and setting up shop quite easily, the simplest answer is that it's business as usual in the Middle East.

At this point, I wouldn't be too surprised if it came out that the Obama administration had intel of a pending attack and decided to just let it happen.

Posted by: Dan S. at September 12, 2012 6:47 PM
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I heard this evening that they actually did have advance warning.

On Adler today, but one of them mentioned that the attacks were planned well in advance of yesterday... that they were announced on August 31st. Long story short, you're right - the timing is off considering other riots were on Fridays.

Just saying.

A look at the SDA archives discussing much the same subject in January 2011.

See Oz at January 28, 2011 1:48 PM

I saw this movie on youtube and it was apparently a remake of what was already not a very good movie, but somehow turned into a worse end product. It would tend to mystify more than enrage its viewers. But there's something generally off-key about this entire business. My theory is that some kind of lame black op was underway but Al Qaeda happened to show up with a plan B that was not anticipated.

One thing is certain, Obama has no idea what he's doing, the entire Arab spring fiasco is proof of that, but the lack of effective security in Benghazi is more specific proof. One can only hope they have adequate security everywhere else in the region, because the bad guys are going to poke and prod for more weaknesses, and will be trying to exploit all sorts of things that Obama has negligently unleashed, I believe more in ignorance than malice. He might be sinister, but it's equally possible that he is just incredibly stupid (and having aced an IQ test at some point, convinced otherwise).

Let's hope Romney can see him off before he gets us all killed.

@ Peter O'Donnell
You saw the movie or a trailer?
Because it seems that the guy who made the movie does not exist.
He is a ghost, a spook, an imaginary person.
The man claiming to be the writer, director and producer of the anti-Islam film that reportedly spurred deadly anti-American protests in Libya and Cairo Tuesday appeared on Wednesday not to exist — at least, not under the name, nationality, origins, religion or profession he claims
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2012/al-monitor/the-filmmaker-who-wasnt.html

"The majority of the populace supports the US."

I'm not so sure you can even say that about the American population anymore let alone Lybia. In fact, I've got doubts about the president of the US supporting the US for that matter.

The conspiracy theories are flying thick and fast.

... ...

allow me to think like a leftist for a minute here,

It is a vast right wing conspiracy to make Obama look bad right before the elections

Romney's wife made the Al Qaeda flags herself with old curtains from their house