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Anyone want to run this one by the Pappa? I didn't think Catholics had drank the Kool-Aid. Why is it they have Catholic schools, I mean besides just to piss peole off.

They must need the money.

The camel sticks its nose into the tent.

Just say NO.

Grade 12 student Amir Farhi, 17, was part of the group that led the push for the prayer room

Brilliant.The catholics used to use 20 year old popes to screw the world,now a 17 year old can screw them.
You know.Maybe this will all work out all right.

All the muslims have to say is
"Do what we want or we will open our own school
and you can start laying off."
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Catholic schools have traditionally enrolled large numbers of non-Catholic students, and while they have, at least until recently, expected all students, Catholic and non-Catholic to attend Catholic religious services that are held in the school, they have at the same time been careful not to proselytize those of other faiths and usually encourage non-Catholics to study and practice their own faith.

That said, I wonder if this Catholic school board has made a similar effort to provide space for members of other non-Catholic faiths. And have the Muslim students at school begun (as they have at my university) begun to flood the washrooms regularly by washing their feet in sinks.

God forbid religions actually find a way to get along and respect each other. What's this world coming to?

I'm guessing you guys prefer conflict? Like if the Catholic, like burned a Qur'an or something?

WTF. I thought one had to be Catholic to go to a Catholic school. I suggest that we get a few students to enroll in madrasas and demand a place where Christians can pray. I'm sure that the muslims would think this was a wonderful idea.

John - you are not unlike Barak Obummer who has done nothing but apologize to the Arab world.

Give your idiot head a shake. I challenge you to name me one - just ONE instance where Islam has conceded anything to Christians.

You call this "religions getting along"???. This, you gullible fool, is called "caving" to an entity you FEAR!!

As a Catholic, I am sorely pissed.

John at 12:12am.

"God forbid religions actually find a way to get along and respect each other. What's this world coming to?

I'm guessing you guys prefer conflict? Like if the Catholic, like burned a Qur'an or something?"

Ya, religions really find ways to get along and respect other. Yep, they sure do....

Not to worry. I'm sure one of the London madrassas will be happy to re-assign a room for a Catholic chapel.

Paging Charles Martel... Mr. Martel, please come to the courtesy desk...

Be a nice gesture to convert some Baptismal Fonts to Muslim footwashing basins while you are at it your Holiness. And any Crosses may cause offense.

My suggestion would be to send some priests go in and convert the muzzys. See what happens then...What a bunch of dhimmi chicken shits.

fiddle, nice leap...off a cliff.

This story is about creating a room of another faith and bringing in another god. Maybe you should read the rest of the 4 books of the Kings and Priests (Samuel and Kings) and find out how that went for the leaders when they mixed foreign gods in the land.

Gotta serve somebody; whom do you serve?

What kind of Catholic works to advance Islam? The God of Islam is not the God of Christians. That is not a debating point. No practicing Christian who went to Sunday School or who has read the Bible could believe such a thing.

I'm confused here - WTF are devout muslims who need a prayer room, doing in a Catholic school in the first place?

"As a Catholic, I am sorely pissed."

As a Catholic, you suck. Seriously, turn in your rosary bub. Love thy neighbour. Turn the other cheek. Do unto others. No effing excuses. That's how it goes. If you can't hack it, then are shouldn't be going for Communion.

And this comment: "Ya, religions really find ways to get along and respect other. Yep, they sure do...." Wha? Dude. This actually is an example of two radically different religions working to get along with each other.

Look, if everybody wants to believe in imaginary people in the sky, that's their business, but at least imagine up imaginary people that get along with each other better than two redneck neighbours in the trailerpark.

Now as for all Muslims sucking:

www.celebratemercy.com/MercyMail

We can confirm, that there are at least 3000 Muslims better than anyone here.

"As a Catholic, I am sorely pissed."

As a Catholic, you suck. Seriously, turn in your rosary bub. Love thy neighbour. Turn the other cheek. Do unto others. No effing excuses. That's how it goes. If you can't hack it, then are shouldn't be going for Communion.

And this comment: "Ya, religions really find ways to get along and respect other. Yep, they sure do...." Wha? Dude. This actually is an example of two radically different religions working to get along with each other.

Look, if everybody wants to believe in imaginary people in the sky, that's their business, but at least imagine up imaginary people that get along with each other better than two redneck neighbours in the trailerpark.

Now as for all Muslims sucking:

www.celebratemercy.com/MercyMail

We can confirm, that there are at least 3000 Muslims better than anyone here.

Two words, people......HOME SCHOOL.
Solves the problem of teacher union power, government interference and indoctrination, and provides for the exercise of free will and religious self determination without offending anybody else.

Islam is a one-way ratchet.
It never compromises or tolerates, ever.

This is the Grand Mosque of Rome:

http://tinyurl.com/yg8o6do

It is the largest mosque in Italy and in Western Europe, so far.
It has an area of 30,000 m2 (320,000 sq ft) and can accommodate 12,000 people.

There are no churchs, chapels, or cathedrals in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Christians who visit are no allowed to possess crosses, crucifixes, Bibles, or any other Christian symbols or articles of the Christian faith.
They are not even permitted to practice any part of Christianity, even prayer, in public in the KSA.

In Egypt, Christian churches are not permitted to be built.
Christian churches which pre-existed the Islamification of Egypt cannot, by law, be repaired or improved upon.

Virtually all of the Islamic world is the same.
Christians can be assaulted by Muslims and killed in the streets in these nations and none will be arrested for doing it.

Canada, 2028: COEXIST says John. CONVERT OR DIE says Amir.

There is still a sizable catholic population in London that won't take kindly to this.
There are also muslim schools in the city where a muslim based education is available, but it's not part of the TVDSB.
I think it's overdue to reexamine the issue of what schools actually get public funding and have it restricted to actual public education.
That would probably shake loose some of the chaf.

There is still a sizable catholic population in London that won't take kindly to this.
There are also muslim schools in the city where a muslim based education is available, but it's not part of the TVDSB.
I think it's overdue to reexamine the issue of what schools actually get public funding and have it restricted to actual public education.
That would probably shake loose some of the chaf.

This is so hypocritical. As devout Anglicans we could not get our kids into the local catholic school (which was measurably better than the normal english public school next door)- because we had not been baptised as catholics . As we left the school disappointed we passed the Muslim family who had been accepted.
So let me get this straight - reject other Christians and accept Islam. That is so wrong. But, hey its Ontario and the whole school system is screwed.

John (2:56), you commenced your hideously time-bound, politically correct, heavily-indoctrined, self-righteous received-wisdom defense of Muslims who want to pray in a *Catholic* school by saying --

"As a Catholic, you suck. Seriously, turn in your rosary bub."

Good, John. Let me ask you something: If a group of evangelical Christian students demanded space to pray in a Madrasa - In London, in Paris, or Lahore -- and the Muslims demurred, *as you and everybody else fully &$@*%& knows they would*, would you ever go to any website, either this one or a Muslim one, and opine "As a Muslim, you suck. Seriously, put down the Koran, Ali"?

Everybody and their dog, including you, knows that you wouldn't.

Your ilk never shows up -- you *know* you don't -- to criticize the attacks on Christians, and the persecution of Christians, and the burning of churches, that occurs in every Muslim-dominated land, or to criticize the Finsbury Park Mosque type guys in the West who preach the beheading of non believers; you only show up to hack persistently at the most basic foundations of the very civilization that allows for the integration and exchange of ideas that you laud as the ultimate ideal, one that only you who wishes to tear it down, and not the "rednecks", can see.

It's repulsive. When you rub your self-righteousness in your own belly, it's really just about your own pleasure and self-righteousness and self-congratulation, isn't it, John?

Self-righteous, sophistic, g-funded busybodies like you are barnacles on the hull of western civilization.

Everyone repeat after me - diversity is our strength, diversity is our strength, diversity is our strength, diversity is our strength.

Exactly, minuteman -- everyone must chant it like Moonies.

I'm thinking I will saunter down to the municipal tax office and change my education tax thingy so as to not fund them anymore.

EBD,

I understand your frustration and point I truly do. But as a christian we are asked to hold ourselves to a certain standard by God and by Jesus.

They have never asked us to behave slightly better then the other religion. What we are and do is totally independent of other religions and using them as a yard stick is a path that leads to hell.

Reminds me of . . .

http://www.military.com/video/off-duty/music/the-taliban-song/662138934001/

Many parents believe that they are no longer getting good value for the money they spend on public education. Big government and big unions have done a less than an admirable job when it comes to the education our children. Some would argue that big government and big unions are the biggest problem in education today. So, what's the answer?

One possible answer is to change the education model to one where parents are free to choose the school and the programs their children take. Nobel Prize winning economist Milton Friedman gave a talk at Hillsdale College on the subject. You can watch the short four minute clip on youtube. It's entitled “Milton Friedman - Educational Vouchers”. Below is a link to the video.

http://youtu.be/EUSOtID5RsQ

Ask yourself the following questions.

Do you want an education system where programs are innovative and where teachers are truly able to put your children first? Do you want an education system where standards are high and so are graduation rates. Do you want an education system where you are free to choose the school your child attends and to choose the programs that your child takes? Do you want an education system where the bureaucracy is minimal, where regulatory requirements are sensible and where parents have a role to play?

If you answered yes to the questions above, then it's time to start pushing for Education Vouchers.

John @ 12:12 AM: "God forbid religions actually find a way to get along and respect each other. What's this world coming to?"

Uh, I think you've missed the point. Let's turn this thing around, seeing as you're talking about religions "respecting each other."

Would Catholics/Christians be given a space in a Muslim school in which to pray or have religious services? The answer to that question tells you everything you obviously need to know about different religions respecting each other.

With Islam, "respect" (sic) is always a one-way street, therefore it's no respect at all. It's contempt for others' faith and bullying under the banner of multiculturalism.

What's happening here is an invasion -- that's not respect -- and dhimmi capitulation. The Muslims are showing disrespect to Catholics and Catholics are revealing a self-loathing of their own faith.

As for your quoting of Scripture to diss Christians who have principled problems with this skewed sense of "hospitality," Scripture also offers this: "In return--I [Paul] speak as to children--open wide your hearts also. Do not be mismatched with unbelievers. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship is there between light and darkness? What agreement does Christ have with Beliar? Or what does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, 'I will live in them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Therefore come out from them, and be separate from them,' says the Lord, 'and touch nothing unclean; then I will welcome you, and I will be your father, and you shall be my sons and daughters,' says the Lord Almighty" (2 Corinthians 6:13-17).

Make no mistake. Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.

Christians are called to discern spirits and to not indiscriminately join with those who desecrate God's holiness. Catholics are infidels, according to Islam. Muslims worship a god whose precepts are at odds with those of the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Jesus. This move by a Catholic school is inexplicable, except in the context of dhimmies capitulating to unreasonable Muslim demands.

I once read here a sentence that goes something like this - "trying to please your enemies will not turn them into friends."

And John - I'm still waiting for you to point out to me one - just one - thing that Muslims have accomodated to Christians.

Wait till Tim Hudak hears about this!

Well, since the Mother Teresa Catholic secondary school is being so understanding with our Mooselem brothers, I'll call 'em up and see if they'll dedicate a special room for MY church, the Taoist Presbyterians. Prayer consists of surfing the net and playing Minecraft while eating salty cashews and drinking pop.

a different bob said: "And John - I'm still waiting for you to point out to me..."

Going to be waiting a long time bob. John's a drive-by poo flinger.

Yeah them tolerant muslims....

Did ya know that on the highway into Mecca, the signage specifically forbids non-muslims any further. A non-muslim is prohibited from setting foot or driving into Mecca.

There are no check-points into the Vatican.

Religion is like astrology, alchemy or ancien Greek mythology. It is all false.

It has no place in school.

But the problem is that Kate only focus on Islam while all religion must be eradicated.

Again, the one big take-away from Efraim Karsh's book Islamic Imperialism: A History is that Islamic conquest depends on the active collusion of the civic AND religious elites.

But the problem is that Kate only focus on Islam while all religion must be eradicated.

Posted by: Quebecois NDP separatiste at September 17, 2012 10:06 AM

That's as reasonable a statement as atheism must be eradicated..... but you go girl!

Q NDP S,

So by eradication, do you mean that the part of true religion of parenting the orphans, looking after the widows, feeding the starving, healing the sick, breaking the chains of the captives and slaves...that part of religion?

Your moral compass seems to be stuck on pointing only to you, and by your posts on this page, your world view is a very black hole, sucking all the time. But, it does give insight into how far our society has slipped and the work needed to be done to set the ship back on course.

Your posts do help.

"EBD,

I understand your frustration and point I truly do. But as a christian we are asked to hold ourselves to a certain standard by God and by Jesus.

They have never asked us to behave slightly better then the other religion. What we are and do is totally independent of other religions and using them as a yard stick is a path that leads to hell.

Posted by: The Grey Lady at September 17, 2012 7:56 AM "

Grey Lady....in response to your response to EBD.I do not consider myself a Christian.I have not been in a church in at least 30 years.Yet I have a spritituallty that tells me right from wrong.What I am and do is not independent from others.It is okay for me to demand your subjugation,or die? I think Jesus would say no. You can turn the other cheek,but when you have none left to turn,what do you do?
Islam is NOT a religion,it is a political cult of hate and domination,designed solely to advance the desires of a murderous paedophile and his followers. The path to hell is to NOT compare the two. You would be okay that your daughter was raped,then executed for allowing it? Islam says yes,all other religions and just common human decency say no.Allowing it to happen is the road to hell.
Like a few others here,I have lived and worked among the followers of the religion of peace. For example...you raise your child,from birth,to hate and kill all who do not follow Christ,because they are a threat to your prophet and God? Of course not.But followers of Islam do.Your Jesus,and my spirit that I follow,do not need my help. A God,religion,or spiritual way that cannot stand on its own,without killing all others,is not a path of goodness,it is hell.
There are no moderate followers of Islam.You either follow the paedophile and kill all others,or you are killed yourself.
How something so simple eludes people of any religion or belief,is beyond my understanding.

@ Jim Horne at September 17, 2012 8:48 AM

Do you want more government intervention in schooling or less?

Will school vouchers lead to increased or decreased government intervention?

Three words.

End. Public. Schooling.

...
Suggested Reading:

Voucher Socialism

For years, the Right has promoted educational vouchers as an alternative to public schools. This has always been a delusion. The schools that take vouchers become the province of government regulators, while the money for the vouchers is taken out of the hide of taxpayers already being looted for public schools. Vouchers increase, not reduce, government involvement in education.

http://mises.org/daily/260

Justthing,

Please do not misunderstand me,

I am NOT excusing ANYTHING, I am not an apoligist for any religion. All I was trying to say is measuring yourself by other's shortcomings is not the path to godliness or goodness. I can not
accept that any more then I would accept a man saying his woman should be grateful he only beats her occasionally as her previous partner put her in the hospital regularly. (Not that ED was saying anything of the sort.)

I think we need to keep the eye on the ball, which is expectation and teachings of christ as our yard stick, not how others follow and or mutate the teachings their religion.

Please excuse me if my post was misunderstood. I understand what was being presented, it is easier and safer to complain and degrade christians because we are not going to resort to nasty repercussions. Atheists who chose to pick at christians exclusively need to grow some balls and be consistent in their mockery, but we know they won't. They try to make them themselves appear superior by falsely tearing down others that they know will not react in a threatening manner. They are small minded angry bullies and will never be content in their lives.

That is punishment enough for those a-holes. :O)

"Would Catholics/Christians be given a space in a Muslim school in which to pray or have religious services? The answer to that question tells you everything you obviously need to know about different religions respecting each other."

According to your own religion, it doesn't matter. "Do unto others" That's what you are obligated to do. If you don't you have failed. You're just a pretend Christian.

But that's beside the point. Just because I can't easily point to an example of Muslim tolerance doesn't mean it's not there. People rarely point out success stories. The only reason you know about this is because you guys are all freaking out over this. This is not being reported on as a success story, but as a point of rightwing anger.

"There are no moderate followers of Islam.You either follow the paedophile and kill all others,or you are killed yourself."

See, here's the thing. People who think this are from the same mold as radical Muslims. They just happen to have been born over here. It's people like this, and there are a lot of them on this blog, who fail to see that they are part of this planet's "radical" problem. People who believe that they are 100% right all the time, and that the Other is 100% wrong and evil. You fail to see how others can possibly be good, and so help to drag down the entire debate to the lowest possible level.

You are part of the problem. Not the solution.

I gotta go to work. I leave you guys to roll your eyes about in your head mindlessly.

Catholic Schools have been overrun for years by foreign immigrants pretending to convert their children to Catholicism to gain entry.

Most foreigners believe it's the best free educational system over the public options.

The Catholic board probably decided that it was better to facilitate an open truth rather than a lie.

What did you expect? Of course the Roman "separate" schools are giving aid and comfort to the Muslims that they would never offer to Protestants or Jews. Rome and Mecca are both the Queen's enemies, and both are servants of the same master. They always have been.

Taxpayer-funded "separate" schools only exist at all in Canada because the Roman priests told their French-Canadian congregations that their children would go to hell if they were sent to English Protestant schools, and ordered them to revolt if they were forced to do so.

Why, the children might find out that an Italian sodomite in a ridiculous costume was not in fact the vicar of Christ and that the priests, who were the only ones in most French Canadian villages who got enough to eat, were the cause of their misery and not the English or the Jews. They might even have learnt to read and write English, and to read the Bible on their own and find out that whatever Roman doctrine was, it wasn't the Gospel of our Lord. Nobody in the hierarchy wanted that.

Of course, the solution to this was to do what should have been done in 1763---liquidate the Roman Church and expel the French from Canada, and stop any further Catholic immigration (from Ireland, just for example).

As it was, the Fathers of Confederation, to their eternal shame, bought off the French Canadians by continuing to suffer Roman schools in Canada in the British North America Act, and somehow persuaded the Queen to assent to the Act---as if pleasing the Queen's enemies would ever turn them into her friends.

Much later, the enemies of Christianity in the Government of Ontario saw to it that Ontario's Protestant schools were purged of Christianity at the earliest opportunity, leaving the Roman schools unmolested. Now Ontario's Christian and Jewish property owners are forced to choose to which enemy of the faith they shall pay to turn the innocent away from God.

Close the separate schools once and for all. Someone daft enough to want his child brainwashed into serving Rome or Mecca has no business raising a child at all. Take the child away and place him with a Christian family who will love the child and raise him in the way he should go.
Yes, that would cost money. It would be much better spent than would the millions paid every year in Ontario in tribute to the Queen's enemies.

@Fiddle

Whoa. Are you saying the "do unto others" bit ISN'T in the bible? It's like one of the keystones of Christianity. And yes, it's definitely in there. Here are the many different translations:

http://bible.cc/matthew/7-12.htm

Look. We can sit here trading verses from a book written by people who believe in thunder gods arguing about another group of people who believe in thunder gods, till the cows come home.

Bottom line, a little bit of tolerance is a good thing. Catholics will not suddenly stop believing in their god because a few Muslims are praying upstairs. I mean Jesus... they didn't stop believing when a billion or so priests were caught with their hands down the pants of nearly every kindergarden they could get their hands on, right?

And Muslims... there are a billion of these guys on the planet. If they were all crazy, and not just a few million of them, you can bet your @ss that Armegedon would be upon us and last about 2 weeks before half of the planet was dead.

Remember, all of this craziness right now is because of a few nuts. What we don't need is our nuts (that would be you guys) making their nuts crazier.

Having separate Catholic schools and the appropriate property taxes go towards them or the public schools is as old as that French language thing. It was done to appease the Quebecois who lost on the Plains of Abraham. I find it hilarious that olde Separatist NDPer is dissing it so much when his forefathers made the deal.

Prayer room in a Catholic school is ridiculous, period. The Bible may have talked about turning the other cheek but it didn't say let everyone walk all over you. Time for another crusade!