Let Them Eat Poutine

The last thing the PQ wants to accomplish is to become independent. I think their long term logic is to bleed Canada dry and sit on their resources until they need them when they separate.

Just a thought, can we ban shipping shale gas to areas that have banned fracking? We really need to help these governments enforce their own ethics...

Or just bleed Canada dry, period.

I talked to an oilfield service guy who was working in Quebec. Every piece of paper, manual, etc. had to be translated into French which nobody spoke. The cost of setting up must be significant. The crew did hire one local so someone could translate whenever they hit a brick wall.

Quebec seems to be saving their manufacturing capacity for the future too.

And Hydro Quebec sighs in relief . . .

Riddle me this you silly bovin. How are you going to power your seperate wonder land with out your own energy?

I'm Mike from Canmore.

For all our American readers that last stamente makes sense if you lived in Canada and watched a show called Canadian Air Farce.

Fine, you don't want to frack, don't frack.

But you don't get any "equalization" payments from the folks who do.

Unreal. Just... unreal.

It's my understanding that fresh water wells are in the neighborhood of 200-300 meters depth while fracking for shale gas is in the neighborhood of 2000-3000m depth. So exactly how is the water supply threatened?

Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

Time for us to start putting a 200% "moron tax" on all fossil fuel products sold into Quebec.

Quelle Surprise!

Time to include know resources in the equalization formula. Why should they be allowed to sit on there 'savings' while using the west's bank account?

Here let me fix that headline for you...

The new Parti Quebecois government hasn’t wasted any time hinting about a long-term ban on 'paying their own way'

Note to Mr Harper:

Politely help them to realize that a confederation is just that; and ALL oars pulling would be nice. If non response then cut them off.

"Fracking banned by Quebec government"

Unless it's done in high heels and net stockings live on TVA.

It's my understanding that fresh water wells are in the neighborhood of 200-300 meters depth while fracking for shale gas is in the neighborhood of 2000-3000m depth. So exactly how is the water supply threatened?

You poke a hole through the aquifer to get at the gas. Any leak in the conduit will end up in the water.

Cases of contamination have been relatively rare in the USA, compared to the number of wells drilled, but this is small comfort when it is YOUR water supply that is affected.

And these people pretend to be on the side of science.

Yes this is science

this explains why shale gas is evil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHUMCGmjGsM

[i]Yes this is science[/i]

Hahaha. "High-risk". Thanks for proving my point that your kind don't know the first thing about stats.

"It's sciencey!"

Fracking has been going on for decades why all the interest now.

Just wait till these deep thinkers discover people die driving cars they will wet themselves.

The world is on fire making this a non issue.

So green-deadfromtheneck-up.....just what happens when your local gas station starts leaking? And do not tell me the regs are better.They are waaayyyy worse. Did you know that more NG leaks on its own into water supplies? Nah.Didn't think so.
When the ROC's referendum to kick these bums out?

re: Ford Prefect

Because it imperils the advancement of using Unicorn Fart(tm) as a source of energy.

It's fun to be in power. You can make all sorts of fun laws and make people do what you want. It's fun.

Quebec has to purchase its gas from the West. That's fun.

And Quebec's roads are a nightmare, Quebec's cities and town water supplies are inadequate and ill-kept; boil water advisories are one of the most common municipal orders in Quebec.

But they are going to spend their money on promoting the use of electrical cars and reducing Quebec's oil dependence by 30% in 8 years. However, Hydro Quebec, its provincial symbol, will be pleased.

Tens of thousands of wells have been fracked in Alberta and I can't think of a negative. There are thousands of wells within 100 miles of where I'm sitting and never sensed an earthquake. While I've heard of natural gas in some water wells long before any fracking, I certainly haven't heard of any increase. Typically the water wells and the production zone are separated by more than 1 kilometer of rock. It's just more useless humanity who would rather sit on their a$$ and bitch than work.

"Quebec’s new natural-resources minister, Martine Ouellet, says she doesn’t believe the controversial method of extracting natural gas from shale, known as “fracking,” can ever be done safely."

Thank You for saving those millions of Quebec Lives from the dangers of frack explosions and frack poisoning. You are preventing a catastrophe like North Dakota, where the morgues are overflowing and they are digging mass graves to bury the bodies. This ban is preventing the eternal despoliation of the entire province of Quebec. If they had such an informed, progressive leadership in ND, the million square mile Williston Superfund Site would not have happened.

If only the poor North Dakotans had such foresight!!!

Justthinkin:
I was just answering Hans's question. There are risks with fracking AND with gas stations, and many other things for that matter. How bad you think those risks are, against the benefits, determines whether you want them in your backyard or not.

As to Quebec leaving, or being thrown out: don't hold your breath. It will never happen. Just deal with it.

So, how was the drinking spree on rue St-Denis last night with the carres rouges, QNDPS? Now that Pauline's promised not to raise the fees for your Applied Separatism course at UQAM the bars must have done a roaring business on the money you just saved.

Heavens, you must have been this close to having to move to Fort McMurray and get a real job---and learn what loyal Canadians really think of the likes of you.

I was going to say the shale gas money would have come in handy---but sure, why would Pauline bother suggesting French Canadians make an honest living exploiting God's gifts of natural resources when she can fiddle the money out of someone else? Only fools and Englishmen do that.

Shale gas is evil, is it now? So why is it all right for you to fiddle shale gas money out of Alberta so you can drink on rue St-Denis instead of getting a job or, better yet, marrying a man who's not too proud or busy drinking, smoking pot or reading Marx (or the Koran!) to get an honest job and a decent haircut and learn to speak something resembling English?

Or so your maman and papa can light up their McMansion in Blainville like Las Vegas all night and heat it in January like the Amazon because equalization lets Quebec City sell hydro at a fraction of what it costs? Thanks to Alberta shale gas, your papa doesn't even have to pay for the bridge he takes to his make-work Quebec government job downtown, never mind your education. I'd like to ask him how much of that he'd give up so Albertans needn't foul their own nest.

And people wonder why I pray for the day the Queen finally sends your miserable nation of parasites packing and Lower Canada is resettled with a more deserving, more industrious race for whom God's gifts aren't so many pearls before swine.

More of the Englishmen, Scots and Irish Protestants who built the rest of the country would be ideal. Honestly, though, even the Romanian Gypsies would be an improvement. At least they don't expect everyone to speak Romani.

"Quebec’s new natural-resources minister, Martine Ouellet, says she doesn’t believe the controversial method of extracting natural gas from shale, known as “fracking,” can ever be done safely."

I believe that in Quebec politician-speak this roughly translates into "the natural gas industry has not yet greased a sufficient number of palms to acquire the necessary drilling permits". Since fracking has been done safely for quite some time, this seems like the only logical explanation (besides protecting Hydro Quebec from competition, of course)

Dick Slater et.al.

Why do you bother with 'Quebecois' at all? I'll bet serious money QNDPS is no more from Quebec than most of you (I am for that matter, but lived in Ontario for 30 years). QNDPS is just trolling to get you guys off, and you fall for it.

As to Quebec being a bunch of welfare cases living off the ROC, come on and do the math. Quebec's economy is about 350$ billion; 8$ billion is not even 3% of that. With that said, we should end equalization. It is a perverse incentive.

Finally, in my neck of the woods (Parry Sound district) I am surrounded with the sturdy types Dick seems to like the most: English, Scottish and Irish protestants. And yet they'd belong on Rue St.Denis: most are on welfare and drunk/drug addled all the time.

"You poke a hole through the aquifer to get at the gas. Any leak in the conduit will end up in the water.

Cases of contamination have been relatively rare in the USA, compared to the number of wells drilled, but this is small comfort when it is YOUR water supply that is affected."

Not just relatively rare, EXTREMELY rare. Talk to someone in the industry instead of listening to politicians and activists.

gordinkneehill said: "Time for us to start putting a 200% "moron tax" on all fossil fuel products sold into Quebec."

As soon as I saw the headline I thought the same thing. The Quebeckies can't stand us already, nothing to lose by jacking up their taxes.

" Quebec's economy is about 350$ billion; 8$ billion is not even 3% of that."

For individuals as well as governments it is not how much you make but how much you spend that is important. Quebec spends all it makes and more (about 129 billion or so more). Once you choose to block some industries and smother others in regulations and taxes you'll soon find that your earnings are significantly reduced. Quebec needs equalization more than ever which is why I agree it should be eliminated...it keeps provinces like Quebec lazy and arrogant.

An interesting fact is that Quebec's GDP per capita is about $40,000 ($129 billion in government debt)while Saskatchewan's is about $60,000 per capita (4 billion debt). Alberta's is $70,000(0 debt). Quebec's economic health is barely mediocre, at best.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_provinces_and_territories_by_gross_domestic_product

Posted by: rd at September 21, 2012 3:34 PM

Same here in Alberta if we would have had leadership like they do it would saved us years of having to listen to everyone telling us how eeeeeeeeivl we are.

Think of all the families we destroyed by giving them a place to move to get away from draconian dickheads in the east.

Oh the humanity. My children and I weep every night over the horror our fracking has caused Canada.

That was fun up yours ndp.

That chienne will start fracking when the rest of Canada cuts her and the other ingrates off.

Shale gas and fracking have been used for ages. Freeze in the dark if it bothers one.

fiddle - 4.7% of wells leak? We've got like 40% or so H2S some places around here. Why aren't we all dead? Why can't we even smell it? You can't miss it.

The problem is taking care of itself. Once immigrants are the Majority, how long do you think they will even put on a charade of being French?
The boomers killed their own Aspirations to repeater, by becoming childless to the point more Quebecois die than are born. Immigrants are taking their place.
Once they are the majority, kiss the French poodle goodbye.

Demographic snapshot of 8 million Quebecers

http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/salle-presse/communiq/2011/decembre/dec1113_an.htm

#1. The Fracking sites I've worked on in Alberta have been in the middle of nowhere. I mean NOWHERE. You could literally detonate a twenty megaton nuclear warhead and no one would die. No one would even notice if not for the fracking crews being there themselves.

#2. Can we please stop getting riled up about separatism? It won't happen, it's not going to happen, most Quebec folks don't want it to happen. It's a meaningless joke at this point. Let's stop pretending altogether.

#3. I love how Calgary companies are all shocked and dismayed at this development. They're like, "What do you mean fracking isn't okay?! Wha..? We don't understand!"
There are so many apolitical business folks out there that don't understand just how destroyed they can be by bad government.
Reminds me of when Stelmach raised royalties in Alberta. People were dazed and shocked. The people at CAPP were running around like a four alarm fire was going off.
These apolitical dumbasses get what they deserve. Wake up and join the party idiots!

Are they still here. Hope they get off their butts and have that referendum that we are all waiting for.

She is the Minister of No Natural Resources. Reading the comments is sobering; there are plenty of paranoid Noddies out there ... of course, Quebec wants everyone to buy "their" hydro.

And of course, if they seperated, they would discover it wasn't "their" hydro all along.

Given Quebec's geology, I'd be very surprised if there was any shale gas outside ot the Ottawa valley South of the river and West of Montreal. hmm, let's see. Yes, that would mostly be Upper Canada wouldn't it?

I say they should ban mining, or something.

I didn't know there were that many ignorant morons in Canada. You have taught me something new. Canadian Libruls are more stupid than American dhimpcrapts.

I didn't know there were that many ignorant morons in Canada. You have taught me something new. Canadian Libruls are more stupid than American dhimpcrapts.

Jeff at 5:58 pretty well sums up the problem with his third statement, and he's right the more companies and associations play the PR game playing up to useful idiots in and out of government, they just eventually dig themselves a hole.

Revnant at 5:40 is right. In two generations, the separatism problem will have solved itself. Already they can't get a majority for separatism just among the "Pur Laine" constituency.

Gas fracking isn't the only thing Marois killed off. She's also ordered the premature closure of Gentilly 2, the province's only nuclear reactor. It's worth remembering that G2 was the only thing keeping emergency power systems on in Montreal for over a week during the great ice storm in 1997.

And why you ask? Because the green slime are all firmly pequiste voters. Marois needs to keep their buns buttered.

Probably has more to do with the fact that they would need western Canadian labor force to do any real oilfield work in Quebec.

A non-bilingual western labor force at that.

Let them eat fromage

I give Mardois 8 months--tops!

Just a thought, can we ban shipping shale gas to areas that have banned fracking? We really need to help these governments enforce their own ethics...
Posted by: the bear at September 21, 2012 1:05 PM
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Right on! We wouldn't want to contaminate their ethics.

That should be Harper's first response.

All I want for Christmas is MY referendum ballot.

Gaawd I want SOOOOO much for the Kwebequois to win..

then I win!!!