Let Them Eat Cheese

Funny how some people think that choosing "ideology over prosperity" is a bad thing.

During the slave period, slavery was bringing prosperity. Yet is was morally wrong, it had to be abolish for ideology reason.

ideology > prosperity.

As I like to repeat. Money is not the only thing that matter in this world. There are other consideration to take into account when making political decision.

Better be green and a little bit poorer than living rich in a totally polluted world.

Frag 'em, Euro decadant socialism is going into the ash can of history along with the Euro and the EU oligarchy. It's all interconnected and it is a grotesque financial failure. This green "global whining" political policy will just drive the last nails in the Euro socialism coffin.

Write 'em off as public policy morons - Europeans never really had any common sense where aggressive statism is concerned.

Enjoy living by flashlight.

Quebec Commie

I repeat the invitation. Come out to Alberta and get a real job earning real money. After you worked 14 hour days for three months straight and made at least $20 - 30,000 you probably wouldn't want to go back to women's work. On second thought a lot of women do work in the oilpatch so even you could possibly handle the physical aspects.

Lots of francophones here and have yet to here one say what a wonderful place Quebec is. All you guys seem to worry about in Quebec is bull$hite while the roads and bridges crumble. By far the highest taxes in Canada used to pay people not to works. Sounds like a parasite's paradise.

Ah, but France has nuclear power.

Slave labour is actually less efficient than the alternatives, which is why Ancient Egypt, Imperial Rome and early Middle Ages Europe all abandoned the practice.

Maintaining a slave population is itself ideology trumping prosperity.

France surrenders again...

QNS, prosperity meant getting rid of the slave trade. Slave labour is highly inefficient compared to capitalism and market forces. Does it come as a surprise to you that the richest nation in the world in the 19th century, which was also the most free, was the one that unilaterally abolished it internationally?

Sorry. In your stupid example, prosperity and morality went hand in hand. What you commies consistently fail to understand is that if you always sacrifice eoonomics for your stupid progressive causes, sooner or later lack of money forecloses all of them as well.

SYF, Hollande is also pushing for the closure of France's nuclear plants as well, starting with Fessenheim. It doesn't matter how good a situation the socialists inherit. They will always find a way to screw it up royally.

Agreed QNS, money isn’t the ONLY thing that counts, but it does count. And governments have run out of it, they are borrowing and leaving that debt on the backs of the next generation. That’s immoral.

Slavery was immoral but the reality is that slavery didn’t get abolished until it got replaced by commercial innovation.

Fracking isn’t immoral. Buying blood oil from Islamist thugocracies is immoral.

The message is : if you want a clean and moral planet, then encourage investment and commercial innovation

Europe live on a ocean of natural gas. They have however decided to be environmentaly sensative by buying their gas from Russia.

ndp Quebec don't worry your backwad part of the world is banning it too.

Actually, it's pretty obvious that "kweebek kommie" doesn't have any job at all.

Better be green and a little bit poorer than living rich in a totally polluted world.

So who is rich? Better to have a job, eating, and have a little for a rainy day than living poor, hungry, and only being a little more "green".

Funny, I was going to suggest that Quebec was following the same path. God forbid that they become economically self-sufficient! It's far too easy to suckle at the public (Rest of Canada) teat than it is to get off your ass and do something constructive. "Better to be green and a little bit poorer..."? Until when? How about when you run out of other people's money? You've already run out of your own...

Quebec Freeloader.
How the hell do you heat your house? with a windmill? Oh, I forgot. You have Hydro Quebec, that wonderful outfit that flooded out the natives, and screwed Labrador on the eastern end.
How do you make your living? Do you bike to the welfare office so you don't have to burn that awful gasoline?
Oh, I forgot again, they mail you you're check, like the one Alberta mails to Quebec. (With a Canadian stamp that may have a picture of the Queen on it.)
You know, the check that Alberta was able to send because they earn money from oil.
You really are an ignoramus, and a masochist too, for constantly allowing yourself to get pummeled every time you show up.

If I understand ndp quebecois correctly, he would be quite happy if the ROC would stop transfer payments.

‘More important things than money.'

So, there's no sense in fighting our friend.

Just agree with him and let our MPs know he and his ilk would be happy without our money.

He likes showing up and spouting crap only to get "pummeled every time" because it feeds his ego when the converstation becomes about him and his ideas and not the one Kate posted. Sort of Obama-like

Even France hates Quebec.

Great thread,until the loons started replying to the troll.Nothing brings a thread down to the level of the leftard,commie,socialist trolls like replying to them.You can't reason with children who stir the pot just to get a rise out of the adults.

Those who demonstrate a lack of their own sense of decorum only stoop to the level of the troll.

He has repeatedly said there are more important things than money, so why do you people continue to name-call?

The solution, from both the troll's perspective and ours, is to cut off transfer payments.

Now, if only the politicians who divide and conquer us would listen.

Where am I wrong?

quebecois, the problem is that the system of slavery, which is widespread still among black, yes, black, and Islamic societies, is itself an ideology. Got that?

To say that slavery is, in itself, immoral is indeed an ideology. But to say that slavery is, in itself, a natural role of 'lesser peoples' or people who are dominated, is ALSO an ideology!!

Furthermore, since you have told us many times that human beings have no free will and are merely a collection of physical molecues, then, choosing either slavery or non-slavery is impossible. It's all determined. You told us that.

It would be nice if you could, just once in a while, THINK.

Now, kindly explain, if you can, how you justify, morally and ideologically, constantly demanding and taking billions from Canadians and giving nothing in return. Justify it. Explain your morals and principles.

Justthinkin , as long as QNS doesn’t make flat out bigoted and ad hominem statements, like some other real trolls around here; then why don’t we think of QNS as a “useful innocent” who doesn’t really understand the unintended consequences of his own propaganda? In other words isn’t QNS an opportunity to counter all the propaganda out there about “fracking” in this case....plus the problems with propping up Quebec...what set you free is getting at.

But I would agree Justthinkin there are some troll problems here.

OMG! some priceless gems here.

Quebec Freeloader...

Even France hates Quebec....

If I understand ndp quebecois correctly, he would be quite happy if the ROC would stop transfer payments...

and the piece de resistance...

Sounds like a parasite's paradise.

nomdeblog, I'd agree. QNDP is actually typical of many if not most Quebecois.

They too consider it their god-given right to live off Canada. They have no problem with demanding more and more money, and it never occurs to them to offer anything in return, for they reject, totally, being part of the Canadian federation. To them, Canada exists only as an ABM, an automatic dispenser of money.

They live in this myth that they pay more in taxes to the federal govt than they receive back. Tell them the facts, that they receive over 13 billion more than they pay, and they'll ignore this truth.

They also consider that they 'have' culture, and insist that 'English Canada' has no culture. Their ignorance about 'what is culture' is astonishing, but they seem to reduce culture merely to language. They thus feel that since other languages are permitted in Canada, then, it lacks culture, while since only French is permitted in Quebec, it 'has' culture.

Plus, since they are economically cocooned in the Canadian economy, they aren't themselves completely responsible for a major part of their lifestyle, their bloated bureaucracy, their universities, their social services, their EI, their jobs for their elite and so on.

And yes, we do have some troll problems here. I deal with it by always scrolling from the bottom up and I never read the posts of the various trolls - I think there are about four major trolls.

Quebec goes down a similar path.

http://business.financialpost.com/2012/09/20/quebec-hints-at-long-term-shale-gas-ban-citing-ecological-risks/

“They also consider that they 'have' culture, and insist that 'English Canada' has no culture”

ET we should tell QNS that it is really really hard to have “no culture”. That makes us pure laine “distinct”. It also makes us non-tribal…i.e. individualistic, modern and innovative, which is why we’re such good frackers.

More seriously , if we have 4 trolls here then we should agree who they are and de-troll ourselves because the company we hang out with matters on a blog as much as in our regular communities.

Quebecois NDP separatiste >

"As I like to repeat. Money is not the only thing that matter in this world."

Then STOP taking ours.

QNDPS is not an innocent.If s/he were,they would ask questions,not always spout the same stuff.If you have questions about fracking,fine.Ask them.
Want to bet how fast they would back-pedal if they were poor and francophone?QNDPS thinks the(or at least says) the same of Canada as phil thinks/says of farmers.
Check Einstein's quote regarding the definition of insanity.Responding to trolls is the text book example.

I'm still of the belief that QNDPS is the poster behind ok/new/so.

Some trolls are getting a little uppity because a few troll busters are busting trolls.
Lest I be accused of getting off topic, let me say this.
Quebec (and France) should Frack or Frack Off.

Regarding France's new government; I feel like I have a front row seat to train wreck.

Re: "Funny how some people think that choosing "ideology over prosperity" is a bad thing.

"During the slave period, slavery was bringing prosperity. Yet is was morally wrong, it had to be abolish for ideology reason."

You are confusing ideology with morality. Banning fracking for shale gas absent any valid concerns is pure ideology and has nothing to do with morality.

ET: you are the biggest troll of all writing the same post everyday with only slightly different words.

Go back to your textual society.

Justthinkin and Chris are right in regards to QNDPS. He is usually successful in diverting the conversation away from the topic at hand because we allow him to be. He spews out some inane drivel and sits back and probably giggles his ass off watching so many people jump all over something I would bet money on he doesn't even believe himself.

That being said, I couldn't care less what the cheese eating surrender monkeys (thank you groundskeeper Willie) do about their energy supply problems. They've elected an extreme socialist into power so they deserve all the bullsh*t that gets dumped on them.

My post was totally on topic... it is other who use my moniker as a pretext to laugh at me and insult me.

@ndp

We do that because your posts are a target rich environment.

"Better be green and a little bit poorer than living rich in a totally polluted world."

If you feel like that just move to Ontario.

Now I'm off to watch The Killing Fields.

chris and justhinkin, QNDPS is an example of dependent socialism in North America. I don't consider him a troll; there ARE four trolls on this blog and I ignore them as braindead.

The problem that QNDPS evinces is a basic socialist problem. They function in utopia, in words; they are economically supported by someone else and don't live in reality.

What is obvious, from all of QNDPS's posts and his reactions, is that he never, ever, and I mean never, ever, ackknowledges the economic dependency of Quebec on Canada. He simply says: 'I want it; I'll take it'.

He doesn't explore more deeply, which is a basic socialist and leftist flaw, to see that living only in Words, is impossible. To ascribe a moral supremacy to 'the life of words' and ignoring reality can only be done if you are a 'kept person' and this is a sophist and even amoral stance. Quebec is kept by Canada.

Who will support France's socialist utopianism? Its wealthy will move their wealth, why should they give it to a state bureaucracy? Germany is fed up with being the 'Canada' to Europe.

QNDPS:

I'll give you this.

You have a more refined sense of decorum than those here whose mentality is not much beyond schoolyard.

Well said ET!

Ici Radioist Quebec: Merde dans le Bain.

...-

"Quebec to seek ban on shale gas fracking: Minister"

"Quebec to close Gentilly nuclear power plant"
(G-M)

I had forgotten about the environmental catastrophe inflicted on the disputed territory of Quebec. I guess they figured it's not really theirs, so who cares?
It's not surprising I forgot - the media didn't yammer about it for years because quebec is "special". I agree, but only in the short bus sense of the term.

Socialist France proposes to freeze in the dark rather than dig up their own resources?

Awesome. I see no downside here.

Reply to Quebecois NDP separatiste at September 20, 2012 12:27 PME

Acording to you, in an arguement of extraordinary false equivalence, fracking is equal to slavery because it earns money.

I'll think of that as I earn a living today.

Mo - mentum

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1259749--iran-cleric-badly-beaten-by-woman-after-giving-her-a-warning-she-was-badly-covered

Fiddle at 4:32 quotes ET with

there ARE four trolls on this blog and I ignore them as braindead.

Then fiddle says: Yes, and one of them because he's a Christian. There's nothing an atheist hates more than to be reminded they believe they came from nothing and are going back to nothing. As though they had never existed.

Therefore fiddle is one of the 4 trolls to be ignored from on. One down 3 more to go.

Nomdeblog said: "Therefore fiddle is one of the 4 trolls to be ignored from [now] on."

Word, dewd.

@ET.@ Posted by: ET at September 20, 2012 4:12 PM

All very true. Point is,why are we rehashing the same stuff all the time with QNDPS? We know s/he is a leech,a parasite,and enjoys sucking others in.Why else post that same stuff,and then sit back and giggle while watching the others tripping all over themselves trying to make a point a point with s/he,when they don't give a rat's ass? QNDPS is Ombama in a learning stage! Think about that!

fiddle said:

"There's nothing an atheist hates more than to be reminded they believe they came from nothing and are going back to nothing. As though they had never existed."

NOT TRUE. You are projecting!

The converse is actually true: that people of faith cannot stomach that the universe isn't all about THEM, and thus cannot accept that the universe will continue to exist without them; hence: heaven.

All of that said, I appreciate and love all of my religious brothers and sisters and value their contributions to humanity. In other words, I don't believe for a second that the world's woes have been caused by religion.

oops... now I'm feeding a troll, as fiddle is "trolling" in THIS comment.

cheers

Nomdeblog >

“Therefore fiddle is one of the 4 trolls to be ignored from on. One down 3 more to go.”

I hope to hell I’m on the ET/ nomedeblog bully list of trolls, I disagree with ET all the time as well.

I hate figgen bully’s that think everything’s their personal turf, and stand up to them face to face on-line every bit as much as I do in real life. Bring it on bubba roo.

There's nothing an atheist hates more than to be reminded they believe they came from nothing and are going back to nothing.

There's nothing a religious person hates more than confronting reality and being told so.

Trolls...the same as a one-legged man in a ass kicking contest.