Apologizing for Feminism

Sounds like she's no pushover. I don't like her.

Actually I respect her .

Here's wishing her good luck with it. It's probably a bit on the "too soon" side for it to make sense to most women as life is still pretty easy. Give it a couple of years. The useless women will be a dime a dozen and the good ones will be held in great regard, as they always have been.

Sorry, but that article was an emotionally laden load of crap. Of course, modern (progressive) feminism is a load of crap too. Despite what the blogger claims, she has perfected has the passive-aggressive style of the feminist women she despises.

There is no perfect step-by-step way to choose a mate that will guarantee a happy, perfect life. Neither the feminism model or some cookie cutter neo-Stepford Wife model is the key to success. Have you ever talked to women of the pre-feminist era (grandmothers, great-aunts). They had it tough too. Not all husbands were those "who could lead [wives] with a gentle, patient hand". The best parts of feminism brought the ability to choose to leave truly bad marriages and the acceptance of women in the workplace.

IMO, find someone with compatible personality flaws and be willing to stubbornly stick through all the chaos and unpredictability called marriage without throwing in the towel every time things get rough. Remember, people are individuals not pre-programmed robots. Otherwise there wouldn't be a need for millions of flavors of self-help relationship books.

My wife tossed me on the trash heap long ago, for (pseudo)feminist reasons. She found lovers, but complains about the cost of handymen. I miss her like toothache.

LCBennett...she is a he,and I guess he had to add a /sarc tag at the end.

@LC:

"The best parts of feminism brought the ability to choose to leave truly bad marriages and the acceptance of women in the workplace."

And among the worst parts of feminism were the ability to create truly bad marriages and the forced acceptance, irrespective of suitability, in the workplace.

Err...no, justthinking, it was posted by Suz and if you click on her name at the end of the post and scroll down to the bottom it says Gender-Female. Besides, this part should have indicated gender to the reader (unless 'he's' talking about gay marriage):

"When I met my husband I was wavering between two drunks, and I cringed at the thought that sooner or later one of them would ask me to marry him. Since I didn't want to be married to either of them, I finally had to ask myself why the hell I was wasting my time with them. And then I met the real deal, and I kept him. I could have scored a wealthy "Beta Provider/Sucker," but the ones who grovelled at my feet were too Beta. (And back then such men were plentiful; I was pretty, but hardly beautiful.) I didn't realize it then, but I needed a man who could lead me, with a gentle, patient hand. An Alpha Beta, or maybe a Beta Alpha."

Max, yes, there were truly bad marriages before feminism; there are bad marriages now; and there will be bad marriages in the future. What has changed is the reason to get divorced can be pretty lame nowadays and the court system is heavily biased against men/fathers. I am optimistic that the legal system will change and become fairer but pessimistic that people will change and no choose divorce as quickly.

Geese fly south in the winter and north in the summer.

I always try to view society from our ancestor’s perspective, way back, when the first civilizations came to be. The social orders that built and maintained themselves for millennia were based on our own inherent instincts and survival mechanisms.

Feminism and our outrageously destructive and wasteful materialism are the products of our abundance and success, but have created psychological trauma to our inherent instincts and survival mechanisms. They are fake realities similar to having a craving for sweet candy, when your body really craves the nutrients of real fruit.

Wipe away our material world tomorrow and leave us standing naked like our ancestors, and we would be like traumatized geese with a spinning internal compass with no clue on how to survive.

A very stupid position to have put ourselves in as the worlds so called dominant species.

I guess I should have added the link to this post:
http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3697201505856242009#editor/target=post;postID=8592924874950126731

NAWALT was a follow-up, addressing objections to Anonymous Letter.

LC:
"IMO, find someone with compatible personality flaws and be willing to stubbornly stick through all the chaos and unpredictability called marriage without throwing in the towel every time things get rough."

Good luck with that. Why should women bother to stick it out if they continue to be rewarded for NOT sticking it out?

Knight

""I always try to view society from our ancestor’s perspective, way back, when the first civilizations came to be. The social orders that built and maintained themselves for millennia were based on our own inherent instincts and survival mechanisms."""

but we have risen about animal insticts, and should be able to reason. I view "feminism" as a back lash to having oppressed the fairer species of yore. Liberalism and it's sister, feminism will subside when the social pendulum swings back.

LC Bennett >

“I am optimistic that the legal system will change and become fairer but......”

Well, the reality is that many more western women today treat men/ spouses like absolute crap than they ever did in the past. Men are opting out in droves by finding foreign women (Asia) for marriage, or prostitutes and the like for sex or short term companionship domestically.

Today the young men routinely abuse young women in the new culture of “whores, bitches & sluts” and the same young women chase them like desperate dogs in heat. In a nutshell the availability for domestic needs becomes less and less for men and they indeed become the preverbal pigs that the feminists cried and warned about before they went and created them.

Feminists will continue to find themselves isolated by alpha males as the alternative options continue to drive them away.

Additionally the feminist cultural drive for beta males and their de facto support for the importation of Islam only proves their dysfunctional concepts of reality and their lost inherent sense of survival as I mentioned in my first comment.

These are not the voices to listen to in a healthy and vibrant society.

Haven't had a chance to read the article yet. I was out today buying a bicycle for my fish.

Great COMMENTS both knight99 and Suz.

Why , why why why? do women nowadays (I am a 34 male married to a happy wife) seem to think they are weak worthless and slaves if they feel the urge to have lots (not just one or two) of kids and stay home?

Why what the hell are they doing, they (most of them) are going against their own instincts trust me I work with women who build airplanes with me all day, you can see it in their eyes they don't want to be there, but they do because if they ever said they wanted to be mothers of 5,6,7, 10 kids and make a home out of a house and a marriage out of domestic dwelling showing their true strength they would be looked like like they just farted by their FEMALE peers!

I know more women right now who blabber on about not wanting kids , but as soon as they are around kids they can't stop holding them or playing with them , and just in aw of them especially new born babies!!

Women do it to themselves why all so they can try to show men that they are exactly the same as us witch is crazy because any good man knows that women are just as equal and Can do the same things we can (they may just have to work harder at it) for every woman I meet who doesn't want kids i meet a guy who says he would like to have kids but doesn't trust women, or i meet a guy who is married to a treacherous wife and the men i know who are happily married actually feel bad for the other men. My wife and I took scriptural vows (mock me if you will) and in those vows was simply stated she is to submit to my authority (not be my door mat) I am to lead and HONOUR her .

Men are not off the hook either liberalism is a mental disorder men think that because they took those vows they get to sit a a pub, drink, ignore the kids and their wife and all thing's that are not about ps3, call of duty ,hockey yadda yadda. That is garbage that is what liberalism has created .

For the record my wife and i are very happy with each we fight and argue and sometimes she is right and some times I am right and some times we argue trying to prove the exact same point just from different angles. I hope my wife see's that I honour her as i see that she willingly and lovingly submits and trusts me with her everything. Sometimes I mess up but I do try, and I think about her not myself ....most of the time. I am after all a GEN Xer.

Great COMMENTS both knight99 and Suz.

NME666 >

“but we have risen about animal insticts, and should be able to reason”

Not sure if your comment was sarcastic or not?

Regardless, only the Liberal view would stand by such a ridiculous argument. If we had no animal instincts there would be no wars, sex, tribalism, racism, sexism, self preservation, or hedonism of any nature.

Or pre-civilization ancestors reasoned very well, that is why they survived handsomely without an iPhone and Keith Olbermann’s sexually confused guidance to built great civilizations while we destroy our own from within.

"I view "feminism" as a back lash to having oppressed the fairer species of yore" - NME666

Depends on which Hollywood movies you watch I guess.

Women have always held prominent roles in known early tribal cultures on through classical and modern western culture. Historically women have at times been respected Queens and warriors alike, in every period of recorded history.

"Good luck with that. Why should women bother to stick it out if they continue to be rewarded for NOT sticking it out?"

For many reasons.

For some of us it is because we were lucky enough to grow up with good role models. We want the same happiness our parents have and for our children the financial and emotional stability that comes with marriage.

Some women grew up in divorced families and realize that this is not what they want for themselves and their kids.

Some people have temperaments that are predisposed to want marriage and monogamy.

LC Bennett >

“Some women grew up in divorced families and realize that this is not what they want for themselves and their kids.”

And exponentially more and more women & men are growing up in single mom homes mired in alcohol, drug, and welfare abuse. The fathers are either junkies, neutered disposable males, incarcerated, or have fled to greener pastures.

“Some people have temperaments that are predisposed to want marriage and monogamy.” - LC Bennett

Yup, as you stated, especially those given good parenting role models. That unfortunately does not solve the decline in civilizations traditional human values for maintaining its upkeep.

No society can “evolve” beyond this basic social foundation and survive for long. “It’s unsustainable” to coin a favorite Liberal phrase, and will collapse on its own weight eventually. We see this clearly with the ghettoizing of America.

Knight 99

Well said. There are now no advantages to marriage for Men.Even the right to see your offspring no matter how "good" you are is the whim of a Women seeking greener pastures. Even shacking up has been legislated so heavily you might as well Marry since the penalties for being male are the same.As DR Laura used to say, males are now just sperm banks, & wallets.
The government with welfare, has replaced the Male.
Everywhere single Women live in the majority, is in the stage of being a Ghetto.
With no Men , no disciplined boys. Women are going to female run friendly colleges in hordes, while the Boys drop out as excess baggage.
Where does the liberals think this will end?
The family is the basic political union of every culture. Kill that & you have no society with binding values. A Mob of uncivilized Men with no hope, just demonized vagrants full of anger .

Its going to be one lonely Bitter World till a balance is restored from the ravings of lunatics that got us here.Its a sad planet where most of the guys I know consider a "one off" the most desired relationship with a Women these days. Because it entails no responsibilities.

Oh, it's not as doom and gloom as you think. Divorce rates have stabilized and even dropped in certain demographics. It is a common mistake to extrapolate events linearly but usually this turns out to be incorrect. Trends tend to be cyclical or reach a plateau.

What may be happening is definite split between two groups of people. On one side those that have the traits to be successful in marriage, parenting, work, etc. without the culture norms of past generations while those without those those traits becoming a permanent underclass.

Revnant Dream >

Well said in turn.

LC Bennett >

"Divorce rates have stabilized and even dropped in certain demographics."

Where specifically, Islamic or Mexican illegal communities in the US?

Here is a Glob & Bail study of the latest’s Stats Can Report 2012:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/divorce-rates-drop-across-canada/article4096512/

“Divorce rates drop across Canada”

“Report author Mary Bess Kelly pointed to several factors: “The proportion of married couples has been steadily decreasing over the past 20 years while common-law unions are becoming more numerous,” as are lone-parent families, which have proliferated since the mid-1960s.”

"Other researchers have documented what they call "the divorce divide," contending that divorce rates are indeed falling substantively among college-educated couples but not among less-affluent, less-educated couples."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-05-11-divorce-decline_N.htm

The article presents both the good and bad news. IMO, this is a transition period which is always difficult.

As I commented at the author's site, the alpha/beta male crap is getting pretty old for me. Its Lefty psychobabble and its sell-by date has long past.

Women wishing to keep a man around would do well to develop some personal honor and practice keeping their word. And grow a brain. Not looking at a man like a meal ticket wouldn't hurt either, men know that look. Go buy your own beer, baby.

I reflect that when times get tougher, most likely there will be a lot less divorce and single motherhood. All the air-headed spinners will be more motivated to keep their pants on, so as not to annoy the man that buys their lunch.

And before some imbecile screams it, yes I do know not all women are like that. Personally I know three, maybe four who aren't. One of them is my mother.

LC Bennett >

Reading further along in the article from USA Today that you provided.......

“The number of couples who live together without marrying has increased tenfold since 1960; the marriage rate has dropped by nearly 30% in past 25 years; and Americans are waiting about five years longer to marry than they did in 1970.
Adding such factors together, Patrick Fagan of the conservative Heritage Foundation sees a bad situation.

"Cohabitation is very fragile, and when unmarried parents split, for the child it might as well be a divorce," Fagan said. "Among those who are marrying there's increased stability, but overall the children of the nation are getting a rawer and rawer deal from their parents."”

This jives with the Stats Can/ G&M article I provided but I am still not seeing how this supports your position.

Since the dawn of “bra burning feminism”, the traditional family values which supported western society have disintegrated. This is a fact, one that you have also provided here. Whether you believe it to be a trend or not, does not dissuade from the cancerous decay of western values and cultural norms. The conclusions to be drawn are right in front of our eyes, rampant drug abuse, violent crime against women, children, and the elderly.

This has not empowered women, they have always had the power if they so chose, our history books are full of them. This has destroyed women and brought millions of them needlessly to the lowest common denominator of society. It has also neutered and desensitized the men who at one time had the culturally bred selfless honor to protect those that could not defend themselves.

paul in calgary >

Hey good comment @ 7:45pm, missed it the first time must have been in a filter.

"...the men i know who are happily married actually feel bad for the other men" – Paul in C.

You said it, I’m one of them. I’ve known or worked with quite a few good men calling absolute scrags their wives. They always stay in the marriage “for the kids”. I’ve never once suggested or told them they should get out (I mind my own business with peoples personal lives), but it really does pain me to see their situation coupled with hearing some of the legal horror stories of those that have tried to leave.

“they get to sit a a pub, drink, ignore the kids and their wife and all thing's that are not about ps3, call of duty ,hockey yadda yadda. That is garbage that is what liberalism has created “. – Paul in C.

You said it, but I think it all goes much deeper than “Liberalism”. This has been a manufactured attack on western values which includes Christianity of course but not limited to it. Liberalism is simply the political and ideological platform for the useful idiots to hang onto.

I've been happily married for nearly 30 years now, the last bar/ pub I went into was with my wife the year before we got married. Aside from doing the things women generally like doing, she’s been my biggest fishing, hunting, shooting, biking, partner ever since.