Y2Kyoto: State Of Anorexia Envirosa

So, now we're halting civilization for moss. What's next - bacteria?

Oh, no! Suzuki is looking for Weapons of Moss Destruction.

" least five populations of an endangered variety of moss."

six, if you count what is between Suzuki's ears.

So let them build a 'fish ladder' and David Suzuki can pick the moss from my lawn...problem solved!

Hey he's probably jigging the report and there are really 4 lichens.

Lichens ( /ˈlaɪkən/,[1] sometimes /ˈlɪtʃən/)[2] are composite organisms consisting of a symbiotic relationship between a fungus (the mycobiont) and a photosynthetic partner (the photobiont or phycobiont), usually either a green alga (commonly Trebouxia) or cyanobacterium (commonly Nostoc).

I say Suzuki should go and grow his own fungus...and Fred that would be between his toes; because he wants to get close to the Earth and all. He must have given up on his Birkenstock sandals.

Cheers

Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

The sad truth is that the only ones who are actually benefiting from this whole shit show are the lawyers.

Posted by: Fred at August 22, 2012 4:18 PM

You win the comment of the day award. Moss between the ears to cool for school.

I think it is time for a statute to be instituted as part of the Criminal Code, against what the Russians used to call "wrecking": "inflicting damage", "harming".
Article 58-7 of the Soviet Penal Code defined wrecking as "undermining of state industry, transport, monetary circulation or credit system,
as well as of cooperative societies and organizations, with counter-revolutionary purpose by means of the corresponding usage of the state institutions,
as well as by opposing their normal functioning."

One need not sympathise with the FSU to realise that they were on to something.

Endangered moss.

Now, even giving them the benefit of the doubt and granting as stipulated that it really is some unique moss that really is endangered, we have to ask... so what?

Why should we care about some subspecies of moss that's (knowing how the speciation definition works in these contexts) almost identical to a dozen or a thousand other mosses and can probably cross-fertilize with them, why should we expend any effort of money on it?

(This question actually applies to every "endangered" claim, but it's much easier to get an answer that isn't laughable when it's, say, an animal.

This question is very hard to get an answer for in general that doesn't boil down to "because every species [of near-identical, inter-breedable moss] is Almost Infinitely Valuable BECAUSE IT JUST IS SHUT UP".

I wish I was exaggerating that more than I am.)

Sazookey gets foreign donations from his pinko pals in TIDE and WWO and likely the UN agenda 21 gang - he just uses innocent salmon and moss as bait to attract useful idiots (lots of the latter on the loony fringe in B.C.). Where is PETA?

I too like your moss comment, Fred.

does that include the spanish moss on his chin or over his lip?

Fred, that was funny.

This petition for an injunction falls in line with the Suzuki anti-human agenda of stopping all power generation construction that is not in line with their thinking. After all, they think there are 6 billion too many people on earth.

Hopefully the judges have some common sense, but then this is BC.

"moss"
Moss?!?!?
Are you f*cking kidding me?!?!?

Indeed. It must be a west coast thing.
BC, where the So called conservative liberals are so bad, they are just opening the door for another ndp debacle.

John I think around here it is called treason or maybe subversive activity.

When they came for oil, I did not speak up.
When they came for coal, I bit my lip.
When they came for nuclear fission, I felt the chill of unseen danger.
When they came for the windmills, I could feel birds dying.
When they came for hydroelectric, I wept for species lost.

How will my stunting be mourned?

- Cold Fusion

DFO will know if there is any threat to the Chinook or if any are present. If so the hydro proponent will have to deal with that. No further concern is warranted. Suzuki is looking for media coverage to justify his fat cheques from US foundations.

I know the Holmes River very well,the locals call it the Beaver. I fished there many times with my Dad and Brothers.

There were huge bull trout there in the late 70's and early 80's,but they were fished out by unscrupulous fish "miners" by the late 80's,and there aren't many rainbows left to fish for.

Most of the accessible area is an old forest fire from the early 70's that took off all the timber for miles. The valley is pretty good for moose,but has no commercial importance for logging,mining, or much else anymore.

My Mother taught school in McBride for many years70's and 80's,and my Brother still lives there. It's a great little town ,very friendly down-to-earth people.

BUT, about eight years ago,the major employer, the McBride veneer plant,formerly Zeidlers Plywood, closed permanently,throwing about fifty or sixty people, including my Brother,out of work.

Many people moved away,and the town has never recovered. They desperately need industry,and a hydro project would be a real boon to an area that needs it.

Suzuki and company have VERY few supporters in the Robson Valley, just a few left over hippie draft-dodgers from the 70's and their ilk.

They will NOT be welcomed to destroy another chance at reviving the economy of the Valley.

I go up there hunting every year,have for over 30 years. There are a lot of hunters in that area.

We are all very good at making sure of our target before we fire. There have been no hunting accidents in over thirty years,thankfully.

Not even going to read the article which is unusual for me. Anything that has Suzuki attached to it and doesn't have an internal combustion engine (preferably a 2 stroke running rich) isn't worth my attention.

Bring on the hunting accidents.

Exotic moss...that's the ticket...

We should petition BC Hydro to cut the electrical power supply to the David Suzuki Foundation and Watershed Watch Salmon Society since that extra capacity can partially offset what this dam would have generated.

Wow what a comedown. From saving the planet to saving moss. Bet Gore is not even taking his calls anymore and fruit flies everywhere are lonely and feeling neglected. I won't be happy until he's begging with dark glasses and a tin cup.

Would that be five variants of chlamydia...?

There's a surplus of moss in my backyard. Where are the earth zealots with their wheelbarrows?

Watershed Watch Salmon Society or more commonly known as the W-SS..

Kate Moss is now endangered???

How is Dr Fruit Fly coming along with wind turbine development on his oceanfront property?
Thought so, wind turbines are meant to be built next to the little people.

Did anyone read the comments below the CKNW story? I could only see one maybe in favour of the Sazootsuit! OMG! are the people of Vancouver and perhaps BC, finally taking a break from the Bud?

I'm surprised the environmental stagnationists don't try to stop the eradication of smallpox or polio. Those bacteria or viruses are "species" just like moss and salmon. I'm not aware of any ill effects on the planet from the demise of the former, and I understand scientists are working on the latter.

Just when you think that the BC moonbats have peaked in their imbecility they want to save "endangered" moss species. Moss is a simple enough organism that one can pick a few pounds of each "endangered" species and freeze it in liquid nitrogen for future study or transplantation onto Dr. Fruitfly's lawn.

Now that focus has shifted to preservation of primitive organisms, I think we also need to preserve HIV in its native environment; male homosexuals. This would mean the end of genocidal chemotherapy against HIV in the form of antiretroviral drugs. Similarly, it looks like what used to be an ordinary strain of chlamydia is rapidly becoming endangered and we should also preserve it for future generations. Community acquired MRSA has only a small area where it grows wild - downtown Vancouver including the E. Hastings area and is deserving of protection.

One can only hope that the deranged moonbats of the left coast join the fight against extinction of the various endangered bacteria and virii by serving as hosts for them.

I used to hang out with an environmentalist, and did a fair amount of work for oilfield reclamation companies. I learned a few things about native vegetation. Prairie grasses are a specific blend of vegetation, one of which is a moss. The moss is essential in choking out invasive weeds. You'll never see a dandelion or thistle on native prairie, but as soon as you break that top layer, the weeds will invade, immediately. I'm not trying to support Suzuki, or fight progress, but I think it's important to understand the other side's point of view. The oil and gas industry has had to learn to work with environmentalists, and it wouldn't hurt for hydro, and forestry to do the same. I didn't include agriculture, because that will never happen. Now that I think back, that environmentalist I hung out with had no moss on her behind. It never grows on high traffic areas.

On today's (thursday) lamestream news, the Alberta CINO government has created 1 million+ hectares of "protected areas" in the OILSANDS.

They will spend $30 million buying up leases,which will curtail 16 proposed oilsands operations. This money does not include compensation due for any infrastructure rendered obsolete.So much for Canada's econimic engine. Hope all those chinese tourists make up the difference.

REDford- good name.

On today's (thursday) lamestream news, the Alberta CINO government has created 1 million+ hectares of "protected areas" in the OILSANDS.

They will spend $30 million buying up leases,which will curtail 19 proposed oilsands operations. This money does not include compensation due for any infrastructure rendered obsolete.So much for Canada's econimic engine. Hope all those chinese tourists make up the difference.

REDford- good name.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/alberta-gives-way-to-oil-patch-in-land-protection-plan-for-lower-athabasca/article4493633/

The oil and gas industry has had to learn to work with environmentalists, and it wouldn't hurt for hydro, and forestry to do the same.
~coach

In case you didn't know, the difference between environmentalism and conservation is that the environmentalists have a political agenda which forbids usage of the land from being harvested at all.
No industry can work with environmentalists because the environmental goal is to shut down industry.

Conservation, on the other hand, aims to conserve the land while allowing industry to harvest it.

Personal story with a point relative to the topic of green dystopia, bear with me.

I was recently back in the small town I grew up in (central Ontario), I met up with a friend and neighbor I grew up with who still lives there. We took a tour of all the old haunts we frequented as kids and along the way I was struck by the fact that this once extremely pristine middleclass suburb had begun to look unkempt and “seedy” like many of the suburbs in the US rust belt. This was an area where post war European immigrants came to work their trades and they kept their homes as tidy as a Alpine Swiss chalet. Now there were many homes with peeling paint, fallen fences, sun rotted shingles, ratty dead and weedy lawns, weeds and dead public parks and boulevards. I asked why and my friend said this urban decay was related to the Provincial and local governments “green” obsessing.

Effective weed killers were banned and weed spraying very limited. Also “sustainability” surcharging and use regulation had pushed the cost of water service up 300% in 3 years – so people were not watering lawns and weeds take over when the grass dies but you can’t spray them. And, of course, the city had increased property taxes 45% to pay for their green belt projects as well as the inflationary provincial green taxing on utilities was straining the limited resources of the now retired people living in this area – they could not afford upkeep items for their home as their fixed income pensions were being picked apart by politicians taxing them for “sustainability” and “green” programs. The city’s green sustainability plan involved the same neglect to parks and play grounds (weedlots).

I guess my point is that when SDA says these empty headed green/sustainability zealots will have you living in primitive pre industrial squalor, she’s really not making a leap of logic.

Can anyone name any advancements for the betterment of mankind that the econazies aren't protesting against?
They're all luddites..plain and simple.

"Back in the early nineties at least 10% of a million dollar well was environmental cost. No idea what it is now, but it's definitely higher."

Not sure where you're getting your information, fiddle.

The built in costs for reclamation have been driven by land owners, as much as environmentalists. I've seen a good many reclamation jobs signed off by Alberta Environment, only to be rejected by a landowner, trying to extend rental payments.

Reclamation costs tend to be approximately equal to construction costs, and have been for 25 years. Extra environmental costs are mostly created by assessments, studies, reports, monitoring, and professional fees. Thirty years ago, a degree in soil science was a ticket to a job with a government agency. Now, it's a ticket to a $500,000/year consulting gig, in the oil patch.

The oil patch has a lot more built-in costs than it used to, but that's not all bad. All those reclamation/environment/safety people are tax-paying members of the community. They're taking another little piece of profits, that would otherwise end up leaving the local community.

fiddle- I doubt you've ever worked at anything above labourer in the oilpatch.

The broken window analogy does not apply here, at all. Moron.

It's kind of hypocritical to jump onto the "ethical oil" bandwagon, while advocating Saudi-style production practices. I started working in the oil patch a few years before the modern day environemnetal practices took effect. It wasn't pretty. Land owners had to farm around damaged land, with no compensation. It was land owners who drove this movement, through surface rights lawyers. It sort of went out of control, when people saw the potential revenue.

Oz- I don't want to get into a big debate over semantics, but conservationists have been a much bigger roadblock to resource development, than environmentalists. Conservationists, such as Ducks Unlimited, or the Sierra Club, advocate setting aside huge areas, for a total ban on development. Environmentalists want projects to go forward, with the stipulation, they get their cut of the action. Oil companies are more than willing to deal with environmentalists, because it only raises project costs. Conservationists are out to shut projects down, completely. There may be some overlap in the definitions, but as I said, it's just semantics.

fiddle, you're a goddam genius. Just waiting for you to say "them engine ears dunno nuthin"