Tommy Douglas, Not Dead Enough

I got very excited when I saw how well a government union-run Tim Hortons franchise can do.

We should nationalize all 3,000 locations, and pay a fair wage, like $28 an hour to the employees and show those greedy corporate bastards how to run a business.

It would be cheaper than the gun registry over time.

So instead of making $300,00 and paying for 7 nurses, they LOST $260,000 which would COST 6 nurses?

The other odd thing is that paying $28 an hour for donut workers, is an annual salary of $56,000.

But they say that $300,000 would pay for 7 nurses, which is only $42,857.

Any society that pays more for its donuts than its nurses, DESERVES to die from lack of medical care.

It would only have taken a few minutes with an EXCEL spreadsheet to show these folks that this wasn't going to work out. Didn't someone do a 'business plan' before signing on to this? Serves 'em right.

C'mon! The problem wasn't with the wages, it was with the prices. Charge a buck a Timbit and 3 bucks for a small coffee, voila! Extra nurses coming on stream in no time! /sarc off

Mike in White Rock at June 1, 2012 6:23 AM What business plan, this is gov.

"a dollars to donuts wager" and we all lost.

Bet you a dollar to a donut it was a female's idea.

If they can't even run a donut joint how the hell can they run the health care system????

Now imagine home much money they would save if they privatized the entire hospital...

A great experiment. Results don't lie. So, privatize the health care system. Turn it from a resource vacuum to a profit centre. The government could tax them instead of us. In fact, lets privatize education as well. And the liquour stores, and...

Whoa, I just woke up. What a pleasant dream.

Now you know why the Soviet system collapsed.

this is a prime example of 'social engineers' believing their sociology degree is the same as an MBa...and an even more compelling reason to start teaching math again in our schools.

A young man I used to coach had a mobile coffee business, which he had set up at the U of A hospital, in Edmonton, in the mid 90s. He was doing very well, with the unit set up just outside the cafeteria. The local union got upset that he was making money that should have been going to food court workers, and launched a campaign to have him booted out, and start their own unionized coffee outlet. He moved on to some new locations, and the union outlet was closed within a year. There's a not so fine line between envy and ambition.

It would be interesting to see how much the army lost having a Tim's in Khandahar. Mind you the military is much better at hiding expenses -- until they get caught.

False analogy Scar. The military opened the Tim's in Kandahar as a morale booster for the troops not as a profitable business per se. And would you really want the armed forces to run as a for-profit organization? "Gee, nice house you've got there. Be a real shame if it were to suffer a devastating mortar attack. Now for small fee . . ." Thanks but no thanks.

False analogy Scar. The military opened the Tim's in Kandahar as a morale booster for the troops not as a profitable business per se. And would you really want the armed forces to run as a for-profit organization? "Gee, nice house you've got there. Be a real shame if it were to suffer a devastating mortar attack. Now for a small fee . . ." Thanks but no thanks.

sylvanguy,that idea is pure genius! I may apply at Tim's myself!

Now, if the Gubbermint was to nationalise ALL fast-food outlets in Canada,and pay everyone $28 an hour,imagine the boost to our economy! We'd have almost NO unemployment,and we could shut down those goddamned tar sands!

I'll leave it to you to suggest this to Prime Minister Mulcair,as it WAS your idea and I'm not one for stealing someone else's glory! ;-)

That's why we call them leftards.

Saskatchewan has a lot to answer for, being the cradle of this nonsense.

A Tim shop can no sooner have a deficit than a man can have a baby.

Scar, you might not believe this but the Timmies in Kandahar did very well. I know this because I was there when it opened. Every nation there got to enjoy Tim's coffee. It was set up at the boardwalk alongside the Burger King, Pizza Hut, and Subway trailers so everyone, not just Canadians, could enjoy it. There was already one coffee shop, The Green Bean, in KAF before Timmies arrived. It served horrible tasting $4 coffees. When Timmies got there it blew that place out of the water. The Brits and Americans flocked to Timmies for quality coffee and donuts. In fact, they would run out of donuts some mornings.

Back here in Canada there is an example of how a Timmies can be run well at a hospitasl. At Joseph Brant hospital they opened an outlet and planned to pay it off in 3 years. It was actually paid off in 2! I guess they had a better business plan and didn't let a leftist retard with a sociology degree run it into the ground.

$28 an hour in Newfoundland? No wonder Danny Millions had to go to the states for his health care.

Tim Hortons is an American owned Company...Tim’s widow sold ~> 20 years ago.....What is it about Canadian's that they are stuck in a time long gone, perhaps they just woke up (Rip Van Winkle)...

DrD "False analogy Scar. The military opened the Tim's in Kandahar as a morale booster for the troops not as a profitable business per se"

So the guys want booze and sex. Those are verboten. What's the next best thing?? Timmies??? A big morale booster might have been letting them win. Like we used to do back in the old days.

Not to be outdone, a Tim's at Windsor Regional hospital lost $265,000 in 2011. (Union) wages were $26/hour, including benefits. The response from administration? Try to negotiate lower wages with the union (good luck with that) or reduce operating hours.
No hint of firing the union, selling the franchise and collecting rent from a profitable operation. Typical left-wing ideology at work.

Quote of the day/decade/century:

"Now imagine how much money they would save if they privatized the entire hospital..."

"Tim Hortons is an American owned Company"

Not according to this:

"RepatriationOn 29 June 2009, Tim Hortons Inc. announced that, pending shareholder approval, the chain's operations would be reorganized under a new publicly traded company, also named "Tim Hortons Inc.", incorporated under the Canada Business Corporations Act. The change was being made primarily for tax purposes.[32][33]"

"On 28 September 2009, Tim Hortons Inc. announced it had completed the reorganization of its corporate structure to become a Canadian public company.[34][35]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hortons

Newfoundland isn't the only locale having this problem:

"Windsor Regional Hospital’s three Tim Hortons are annually losing $265,000 in taxpayers’ money partly because employees get paid nearly triple what the average coffee server makes."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/story/2012/05/31/wdr-tim-hortons-windsor-regional-hospital.html

The Maj at June 1, 2012 9:17 AM
"If they can't even run a donut joint how the hell can they run the health care system????"

Yeah illuminating? What? Everything now makes sense....civil serpents.............

I`m a Tom Hortons investor and have been buying their stock since the IPO .... Hortons pays decent dividends and increased value in the equity I bought.

I would like to know just who the manager was who allowed this forking embarrassment to take place.

I`m a Tim Hortons investor and have been buying their stock since the IPO .... Hortons pays decent dividends and increased value in the equity I bought.

I would like to know just who the manager was who allowed this forking embarrassment to take place.

Of course, it's all the fault of Tommy Douglas and/or the NDP that hospital administrators in a province governed by CONservatives can't make a profit selling coffee and donuts.

You people are such idiots.

Of course, it's all the fault of Tommy Douglas and/or the NDP that hospital administrators in a province governed by CONservatives can't make a profit selling coffee and donuts.

You people are such idiots.

Hey! Iberia! You're back!

Missed your profound commentary.

Tommy Douglas, Not Dead Enough.

That can't be said too often.

What this has to do with universal healthcare, who the F knows. Never let sticking with the facts get in the way of a good ol'fashioned rightwing rant I guess.