My daughter, a young teacher, complains bitterly about this policy.
She teaches high school and feels that one of the things that students are to learn is that if you don't meet deadlines (reasonable ones), there are real world consequences. She learned that in some classes at her high school (experimenting with "auditing" classes), in spades at University and on the call list as a substitute teacher (be available and ready or don't get called back). Part of the learned personal responsibility is to ask the teacher for an extension if something comes up.
She doesn't like the adverse impact the policy has on the rest of the class. The slackers bring down the desire of many other in the class to achieve something.
Teachers of grade 8s are having a hard time keeping them in line this time of year. Even though the students still have exams coming up, they all know that nobody's going to fail. They're all going to get a Pass Go card to high school, whether or not they do well, IOW, whether or not they actually pass the exams.
So, a bunch of them are slacking off already, making learning by serious students really difficult -- and the teacher's life hell. In far too many schools, the inmates are running the asylum -- of course, with McGuilty's help.
It's ludicrous. Another problem is that teachers are being scripted by principals -- you can't say this to students, you can't say that -- whereas students aren't being scripted. They can pretty much say whatever they like to teachers and be pretty much guaranteed that there will be no real world/concrete/logical consequences. They may get a theoretical slap on the wrist from the principal, but when the parents call to complain, the teacher's hauled into the principal's office and told to lay off.
The train that's barreling down the track ain't pretty, and I'm not too sure that wearing kevlar pjs is going to help us stop it.
Years ago my son wrote an essay in high school on the Vietnam War,which was well-written, BUT pro-American.
The teacher refused to accept it. We insisted, he was given a "C", while other kids' essays that we saw, not nearly as well written, were given "B" and "A" marks, for political correctness.
The Teacher's Union should be allover the school for this. Aren't they supposed to look after their members?
So, when (if) they ever enter the workforce they don't really have to show up for work but will expect to be paid, based on this logic ? Brilliant social engineering.
Kevlar body armor is legal in all Canadian provinces except BC & Manitoba *see British Columbia's Body Armour Control Act.
Similar legislation has been has been passed in Alberta and Nova Scotia but will not be in force until June 2012.
There will definitely be more restrictions to come after UN lawyer Alison Redford returns from secret global elitists Bilderberg meetings in Virginia this week.
Enjoy your freedom while you have it, it won't last forever.
I heard about tis on the radio yesterday. The students interviewed supported the teacher.
Ken at 10:46:
A good friend of mine teaches part time at George Brown College in Toronto (he's worked in industry most of his working life - he does this out of interest). He's lucky in that his administrator fully supports him when he docks marks for lateness, sloppy work, etc.
You know Cyclist - My daughter says that most of the students support her view too. And most of the parents who she meets at extra curricular activities (not that she brings this up with all of them) want accountability too. Teachers she lunches with want it too - they view it that when they put effort into teaching the least that can be expected is that the students will have to participate and try to learn.
So who is it that doesn't want this? Is it the school boards? The school administration? The school intelligensia in the Universities?
Whoa, whoa now, let's not spread untrue rumours about BC and body armour. I just bought a nice vest for my wife and had it delivered to my door, all quite legally. You either need to work in a certain industry like police or armoured car, have a licence issued by the govermnment for body armour, or hold a firearms licence. How many people in BC have a firearms licence? Well, me, my wife, and one hell of a lot of other people.
Individuals exempt from requiring a permit to possess body armour while performing the job on which the exemption is granted are:
Those who have a valid B.C. security worker licence authorizing them to provide the services of an armoured car guard, a private investigator, a security consultant, a security guard and / or a body armour salesperson.
Peace officers, sheriffs, corrections officers and conservation officers.
Those employed by the government if wearing body armour is required or allowed in the course of the person's employment.
Security guards registered as a gaming worker under the Gaming Control Act.
Individuals who possess a valid firearms licence issued under the Firearms Act (Canada).
rroe: "Is it the school boards? The school administration?"
Yes and yes. Parents are now clients and each school administration/board wants to hold onto all the students they can. Each student "comes with" $10,000-government grant attached. No school wants parents to pull their kid and send them to "the other school" down the street, either the neighbourhood Catholic or neighbourhood public school. They'll hang onto the $10,000 any way they can, which means throwing teachers under the bus -- and, in the long run, the kid too as they learn nothing about responsibility or accountability.
It's a scandal that the worst kids and their loud-mouthed, demanding parents run the "educational" show.
Re my post above @ 12:14PM: Kate's right when she says, "Not Showing Up To Riot Is A Failed Conservative Policy."
Not showing up to voice their disapproval that certain students in their kids' school are lowering all of the educational and behavioural standards is a failed policy of parents of respectful and accountable students.
Canadians are far too nice: A little demonstration of discomfort and dismay at how lax educational and behavioural standards have become in our schools would be a good thing. But "no one" wants to rock the boat.
While the boat's not being rocked, our children's education is being shot to smithereens. Surface calm doesn't mean that all is well: While the best parents and students acquiesce to what's happening by their silence, the worst will get the upper hand. It's already happening.
W.B. Yeats' prohetic words in The Second Coming are being borne out:
The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. ...
... what rough beast ... slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
A list of email addresses from the Ross Sheppard High School website:
Staff Contact List
Administration
Ron Bradley - Principal ron.bradley@epsb.ca
Scott Horton - AP scott.horton@epsb.ca
Randy Lyseng - AP randy.lyseng@epsb.ca
Kim Ogrodnick - AP kim.ogrodnick@epsb.ca
Rick Paulitsch - AP rick.paulitsch@epsb.ca
Maybe we should see if we can overflow the Principal's inbox with letters of support for Mr.Dorval.
No rumours, you still need a licence, (possibly register the BA?) I did hear a rumour that you may also need to register individual BA, maybe you could clarify.
Regardless that's sort of the point, once licensed or registered can you expect an armed SWAT team crashing in your door for anything a sheeple may have received a doorbell chime for?
I had a professor (leftist but some had integrity in those days) who gave a student a minus-15. When the Registrar called to say he couldn't do that, I heard him say, "OK, give him a zero in my course and take 15 points off one of his other courses." and hung up.
Thank you for that link,"the rat". I was under the impression body armour was restricted to cops and security guards,etc., had no idea it can be bought by anyone with a PAL.
From the rat's link: "Who May Possess Body Armour WITHOUT a Permit
Individuals exempt from requiring a permit to possess body armour while performing the job on which the exemption is granted are:
Those who have a valid B.C. security worker licence authorizing them to provide the services of an armoured car guard, a private investigator, a security consultant, a security guard and / or a body armour salesperson.
Peace officers, sheriffs, corrections officers and conservation officers.
Those employed by the government if wearing body armour is required or allowed in the course of the person's employment.
Security guards registered as a gaming worker under the Gaming Control Act.
Individuals who possess a valid firearms licence issued under the Firearms Act (Canada)."
Knight99 - No, it's no rumour and yes you need some kind of licence but if the children are our future everyone should have a PAL, right? And a couple SKSs with a few thousand rounds of surplus ammo :-)
Frankly, I think it's just another way the nanny state worries more about criminals than citizens and infringes our rights. Police say it's "one more tool in the toolbox", I say they wouldn't need the toolbox if we just put criminals away on the real crimes they commit.
15 The registrar must establish and maintain a registry in which the registrar must keep a record of
(a) every body armour permit issued by the registrar and the current status of the permit,
(b) every security business licence and security worker licence, authorizing the sale of body armour, issued by the registrar and the current status of the licence, and
(c) every application for a body armour permit, security business licence or security worker licence that is refused by the registrar and the reasons for the refusal.
So it's a registry of permits, not actual body armour
Actually my question was do you need to register each body armor suit after a permit is acquired, or is the permit itself for each individual outfit?
Examples: Get permit and can freely buy 3 suits.
- Or - get individual permit for each suit (maybe one of each class I - II - III – IV etcetera) - Or - Get one permit, then register each suit individually?
Before June 2012, you could purchase body armor in Alberta as a free citizen. Although most sheeple will always say, “who cares if you can’t own body armor or need a licence” they really don’t get the concept that all bad governments like you defenceless, whether against criminals or themselves. Good governments look to thier citizens for policing and security. The bad will always sell you idiotic concepts that it’s for your own good, or the environment, or the children, or al Qaida wants to hurt you, whatever.
At the end of the day, they’ve only made you more defenceless and at their mercy, always a little less free regardless.
Not showing up to voice their disapproval that certain students in their kids' school are lowering all of the educational and behavioural standards is a failed policy of parents of respectful and accountable students.
Canadians are far too nice: A little demonstration of discomfort and dismay at how lax educational and behavioural standards have become in our schools would be a good thing. But "no one" wants to rock the boat.
Posted by: batb at June 1, 2012 12:27 PM
Dead on.
Too lazy/cowardly/stupid to get off their arses and do something meaningful.
I’ve posted here numerous times about the wreck of our reckless public education systems. Despite their endless “Behaviour Codes”—NOT, except for the hardworking, principled teacher—the only thing that matters to them is kow-towing to PC orthodoxy, which sideswipes the effective learning of both academic disciplines and life skills, while these idiots enthusiastically embrace ludicrous, enforced hypocrisy, e.g., Muslim prayers/segregation by gender, on school time/property, along with gay-straight alliances: isn’t THAT a recipe for some kind of cl/crash? And, all of this stupidity and misdirected power means a death sentence to true learning (which involves both intellectual vigour and TRUTH), civility, the rule of law, and actual equality. While pretending to uphold these ideals, our educational bureaucrats have signed the death warrant of serious academic pursuit and civility. But I think these sycophants are too stupid to get it.
I don’t know a single teacher who’s happy in their job: they may actually LOVE TEACHING (that’s me!), but the public educational culture—from top to bottom—has been corrupted: for teachers, rarely supported by their “superiors”, it’s stultifying, utterly demeaning, and soul destroying—altogether hypocritical and boot-camp oppressive to the core. Not one teacher I know—and I know LOTS— would recommend that any young person become a teacher: and the more talented and principled that person is, the more likely it is that s/he would be unable to stomach the craven obeisance to politically correct corruption that pervades our educational (sic) Black Lagoons.
Perhaps there really is more to this present—no marks for no work (YEAH!!)—controversy than meets the eye: that’s what the “authorities” say. Do I believe them? NO WAY. But, we’ll see. These ludicrously paid boot-lickers are notoriously unreliable reporters, as their main aim is to keep their sinecure posts.
Kyrie eleison.
And, BRAVO, Lynden Dorval! Godspeed, my friend.
(And, as I can’t imagine the equally craven, left-wing union types being any help at all, please let us know if you’ll have a legal defence fund. I’ll contribute!)
lookout, well said. One of my sons-in-law would agree. He loves teaching. He also thinks these pink days are asinine and has yet to wear one. At the moment he has a great principle.
Recently he told me that the way things are going, he fully expects that someday he may have to choose between compromising too much or leaving the profession.
Batb, Yeats was right, why aren't we out there counter demonstrating? And as Oscar Wilde noted :socialism is nice, but it takes up too many evenings. We really outta get organized!
GR8 to hear from you, Ken. I know exactly how your son feels. All of the non-sell-outs feel the same way. I'm sure your son's a fine teacher and just what the kids really need. Godspeed to him.
P.S. All the "kiddy" riots and police stand-downs in the last year all over the West have EVERYTHING to do with "No serious consequences allowed for the kids in case we damage their self-esteem" lunacy.
I'm surprised the break-out/down didn't happen sooner. We're in for very tough times.
Old White guy gets crapped on by female run bureaucracy. Wow, that's never happened before!
Wonder where the Teacher's Union is on this? Oh right, another female run bureaucracy. Sisters gotta show solidarity baby! Throw the old man under the bus.
Many, many years ago when I was very young, I asked my dad the difference between an occupation and a profession. He told me that a professional person always put the best interest of the patient (or student, or client, etc.) above all. Even if he were not going to be paid, or had to disobey orders, or was very inconvenienced, he would do what his conscience, ethics and training enabled him to do for the person he was entrusted to help.
Mr. Dorval is a professional teacher and I salute him.
Dirtman: "When these precious flowers graduate and move on to the real world they're going to be in for a rude awakening."
Uh, I suggest that it's the rest of us who'll be in for a rude awakening -- a very rude awakening.
We've already got multi-tractor trailer rollovers on our major highways every week (two in one day on Thursday). 'Wonder who's driving those rigs? 'The precious flowers who don't know what the hell they're doing, and could care less: Just pay me, whatever ...
I hope this lunacy blows up in the faces of the flaming lunatics running that school district (and all the others). Mr. Dorval was “hauled in” for doing the right thing. Tell me about it! I've been hauled in for the same reason: teachers are intimidated, bullied, humiliated, and punished for not following the ludicrous rules of the PC gulags that are our public school boards.
Teachers know their students best, and most are looking out for their best interests—meaning reasonable, which can sometimes be quite unpleasant, consequences. (A school social worker once told me that she hoped the consequence I’d just given to one of my special ed. students “wasn’t at all unpleasant”: oy vey!) For the past two decades—everything to do with the Charter and the boards’ fear of litigation— administrators have run interference for the students: they and their parents are considered clients. The more discipline/consequences a difficult student needs, the more likely it is that administration will block the teacher and require soft-pedalling.
Some of us will argue our case, and sometimes it works. But too often, teachers go along: the Education Act requires teacher compliance. There are many “underground” ways for teachers to mitigate compliance, but, as rita noted a few threads back, it makes one feel gritty and compromised. As I’ve said many times here, these days, to be a good teacher using best practice means being subversive: far too many rules, re both curriculum and behaviour, work against the best interests of the students. Teachers know this. And the administrators, with all kinds of power and the means to wield it, seem oblivious. Respect for our “superiors” is at an all-time low. (There are a few good ones out there, but, guess what? If they stray from gulag rules, they get punished too!)
I hope Lynden Dorval gets all the support that he needs (it’s unlikely to come from the left-wing, PC union), and that this situation shines a strong light on the utterly idiotic, dangerous, and subversive PC policies of our utterly compromised and often destructive public school boards. Students, teachers, and all of society, which is being altogether compromised by the “whatever” generation, deserve far better.
(Caleo - He would do what his conscience, ethics and training enabled him to do for the person he was entrusted to help.)
You are absolutely correct about that. In fact, the Code of Ethics which outlines a teacher's responsibilities says so. However, like many such documents, it only has the strength that its members are prepared to give to it. When that involves sacrifice or taking unpopular stands, many people would much rather keep their heads low and get along. I don't admire that. I think it shows a lack of character and principle. It's my private opinion that teaching tends to attract people-pleasers. Teachers want too much to be "nice" and they lack the fortitude to be tough when necessary.
A teacher has a duty to provide accurate and informative evaluation--of a type that allows the student and parents to know what is lacking. How else can you correct what's wrong? I recall saying to a Vice-Principal (after a workshop outlining that evaluation should be "adapted" according to the ability of the student) that we were being given more sophisticated ways to lie to students, to make them and their parents believe they were doing well. The premise was that if a student was judged to be of lesser ability, or disadvantaged in some way, then the bar should be lowered. Not only was the material adapted (which makes sense) or the manner in which it was taught, but the evaluation should not reveal that their work was not equivalent to the regular course material. If a student only accomplished half of the course, they were to be evaluated on what they had done only and not on what had been left undone. Sometimes even the student wasn't aware that she was being evaluated in a different way from her peers, and she had the impression that she was achieving on their level.
Increasingly, we are graduating people from Education faculties, who are attracted to the social engineering potential of their calling. These are the people who gravitate to the consultancies and positions at the Ministry of Education. That's where the ideas about curriculum originate, but they have plenty of help from those teachers who have similar interests. For example, when word gets out that a new curriculum in math is being considered, teachers who offer to sit on the committees have many goals. They not only want to develop another math course and see their names on the acknowledgements sheet, they also have their own axes to grind (aboriginal education, gender issues, environment, social justice...etc.) So when the curriculum is finally launched, it resembles nothing like what the ordinary foot soldiers in education know will work. It has become a socially transformative venture. Math (or English or science) becomes incidental to the greater cause.
Another aspect to evaluation double speak is that it's intended to make everyone look better. (The operative word is "look".) It's not important that anything actually BE better. But it's important that graduation rates are high, and student averages look good. So giving a student a "zero" is worse than giving him 20% because when you crunch the numbers, twenty contributes more to falsified stats than zero. Few people realize that when the Grade 12 marks are collated at the Ministry of Education, they can arbitrarily accord a student a "pass" in a subject if they are one short of being able to graduate. This is after all the fudging that has already gone on at the school level (not giving zeroes, automatically raising any mark above 45 to a fifty, etc.) The whole point of that is not to encourage students or make them feel better about themselves--it's to make the numbers look good. Imagine what graduation rates would look like if that sort of tweaking didn't go on. And NONE of that is done by teachers. Occasionally, teachers whose name is on a class list find out that "they" have "given" student so-and-so a passing grade when they actually have not done so. I would insist that my name be taken off such credits when I found out, but I know that numerous times I never found out about it. It neutralizes your efforts to be conscientious and caring when such things are done behind your back.
There is great resistance to evaluation that measures actual outcomes, especially if they are done province or country-wide. This would of course invite comparisons among schools and teachers. If teaching truly was a profession, teachers should want to compare their outcomes with others. That sort of feedback would be invaluable. And further, if they could trust their colleagues and adminstrators to be supportive, they could address their own weaknesses without fear--hence becoming better teachers. I was fortunate to have informal mentorship arrangements with teachers who were better than me. I owe more to them than my expensive degree. But teachers are right to be wary because they suspect, and rightly so, that they would end up being the scapegoats when administrators are seeking to assign blame for the poor performance of their schools.
Evaluation is a favorite topic of mine. I always felt it was a crucial part of the job of teaching--to do it as well, as accurately, as informatively as possible. Evaluation was to provide feedback on what the student had mastered and what required more work. Then the student, teacher and parent, in partnership could address the weaknesses. But if you are involved in a process of lying and obfuscation, it simply becomes another tool for manipulation.
I've come to the conclusion that, at it's root, this whole thing is about the desire for superficial short term fulfillment, at the expense of future well-being.
The problem is that this short-sightedness is hard-wired in our brains, after millions of years of natural selection, and you can't overcome it without first being aware of it. But since these policies are ultimately dictated by the parents, it is not something that can be directly fixed merely through government policy.
It seems the vast, vast, majority of people will look at a story like this and scoff and think "how can they be so stupid as to implement such a thing." But then turn around and act the exact same way, albeit in a less obvious fashion. No normal, sane human wants to be aware of the fact that they have raised their child to be a delinquent.
Our educational (sic) systems are now far more into social engineering, and engineering phony results to look like success, than actually imparting either academic or social skills. The more IEPs (Individual Education Plans) and Behaviour Codes we have, the more they’re used to let kids off the hook. E.g., I once, informally, mentioned to my principal that one of my (viz-min) students consistently failed to complete his homework. Principal’s instant “solution”: “Exempt him from homework on his IEP.” I gave a mini-lesson on the real purpose of an IEP and refused. Needless to say, I was most unpopular with this administrator.
Yes, in general, it’s the PC collaborators, who want to make way more $$, with less responsibility and productivity, who gravitate to consultancies and administrative jobs. Real teachers, unwilling/unable to acquiesce to the corruption of the system, stay in their classrooms with their kids and do what they can to provide an authentic education for them. And this is done with administration ignoring their hard work and successes, while handicapping them at every turn with ludicrous and counter-productive regulations. WHAT a crock!
So, what Mr. Dorval has done is truly courageous. (I wonder what would have transpired if, let’s say, a Muslim teacher had done the same thing . . .) MAYBE this case will open up a proper discussion about how the system makes it very difficult, if not impossible, for even exemplary teachers to do their jobs properly. It didn’t used to be this way: it’s well past time to expose the idiocy at the rotten core of our public education systems by, for one thing, giving teachers the respect and support they both deserve and need in order to properly educate our kids.
In a Calgary Herald article about the principled Mr. Dorval:
“Superintendent Edgar Schmidt has said the grading practice ensures teachers are truly assessing what students know. If a student doesn’t hand in work [and whose responsibility is THAT?], the teacher can’t judge whether the student knows the material, Schmidt said. The practice actually pushes students to do more work as opposed to entering a zero and telling them the opportunity to finish the assignment is gone, Schmidt said.”
Really?
And, I, as teacher can expect my salary and recognition for what I know if I phone from home and say that all my plans are complete, but, sorry, I’m not actually there?
What utter crap from this idiot, who, believe me, probably makes $150 000.00 +/year.
I know teachers who sometimes award a 50% rather than a deserved 45%. Why? If the student fails, who’s on the hook? NOT the student: administration tags the teacher and asks for a detailed plan re what the TEACHER is going to do to see that the student improves. The imperatives and accountability in our public schools are exactly upside down. Teachers are demoralized by and fed up with the Alice-in-Wonderland gulags they inhabit.
BRAVO, Lynden Dorval! As I said, I’ll contribute to any defence fund.
P.S. Here’s a link to the letter to Mr. Dorval, suspending him:
Believe me, if there were a way for teachers to get information up the line about the number of regulations ignored and/or skewed by administrators—who do both all the time—I think there’d be few of them who’d keep their own jobs. These hypocritical sycophants are truly despicable.
In the filter, I've got another post—with a link to the suspension letter Mr. Dorval received, and a totally idiotic (what else is new?) statement by an Edmonton Board superintendent.
Equality? Irresponsible, disruptive students: they’re treated with kid gloves. How does admin. think they’ll learn the virtues in the multitude of school behaviour codes, when there are no serious consequences for serious infractions? Responsible teachers trying to do their jobs: when accused by a student, guilty as charged.
Thanks, rita, but the excellent article you’ve linked is not the one with the letter of suspension. (The link for that is at my caught-in-the-filter post.)
In checking that out, however, I came across this memo from Mr. Dorval’s principal, recommending the suspension:
What a load of you-know-what. I’m delighted to see these self-important clods being shown for the bullies and cry-babies they really are. These apparatchiks enjoy doing this kind of thing to those who don’t kow-tow to their idiocy. (Letter of the law: the principal and superintendent can do what they’ve done here. But we all know that, very often—and most often with sycophants like the majority of educational bureaucrats—“the law is an ass”.)
What irony: these powerful, grossly overpaid dolts, cocooned in their isolated and nicely appointed offices, bleat about “insubordination”, while they subvert the legitimate authority of the in-the-trenches, with no cover teachers all the time. These hyopocritical wolves sure aren't used to one of the sheep standing up to them!
I truly hope that this situation exposes the public education system for the mega-bully, PC fraud that it’s become. Teachers everywhere are cheering!
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My daughter, a young teacher, complains bitterly about this policy.
She teaches high school and feels that one of the things that students are to learn is that if you don't meet deadlines (reasonable ones), there are real world consequences. She learned that in some classes at her high school (experimenting with "auditing" classes), in spades at University and on the call list as a substitute teacher (be available and ready or don't get called back). Part of the learned personal responsibility is to ask the teacher for an extension if something comes up.
She doesn't like the adverse impact the policy has on the rest of the class. The slackers bring down the desire of many other in the class to achieve something.
Kevlar pajamas?? Living in Alberta, I would need a license for those.
No comment other than the education system is in the hand of idiots, everyone knows it, and it will probably only get worse.
Kevlar pajamas would be classified as body armour in BC and would therefore be deemed illegal
I got a zero once for handing in an English assignment by mistake to my math teacher. It taught me to be more organized.
I wonder who will hand a zero out to a school principle who thinks missed assignments deserve credits.
Kevlar pajamas, Kate?
I'll be in my bunk.
My sister-in-law, who teaches in Mohawk College, also is pressured to pass everyone regardless of whether the students do or not do their assignments.
Scar, "No comment other than the education system is in the hand of idiots, everyone knows it, and it will probably only get worse." Exactly.
http://news.sympatico.ca/oped/coffee-talk/edmonton_teacher_suspended_for_handing_out_zeros_/49c0a673#.T8jJuj-BzPk.facebook
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Speaking of the children being our future... a heartwarming story from the US: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihLBCbNIDbI
Teachers of grade 8s are having a hard time keeping them in line this time of year. Even though the students still have exams coming up, they all know that nobody's going to fail. They're all going to get a Pass Go card to high school, whether or not they do well, IOW, whether or not they actually pass the exams.
So, a bunch of them are slacking off already, making learning by serious students really difficult -- and the teacher's life hell. In far too many schools, the inmates are running the asylum -- of course, with McGuilty's help.
It's ludicrous. Another problem is that teachers are being scripted by principals -- you can't say this to students, you can't say that -- whereas students aren't being scripted. They can pretty much say whatever they like to teachers and be pretty much guaranteed that there will be no real world/concrete/logical consequences. They may get a theoretical slap on the wrist from the principal, but when the parents call to complain, the teacher's hauled into the principal's office and told to lay off.
The train that's barreling down the track ain't pretty, and I'm not too sure that wearing kevlar pjs is going to help us stop it.
Where's Superman when you need him?
All I can say is privatize those institutions or home school.
Except in rare circumstances: Anyone who commits their child to a government school is a glutton for stupidity.
Years ago my son wrote an essay in high school on the Vietnam War,which was well-written, BUT pro-American.
The teacher refused to accept it. We insisted, he was given a "C", while other kids' essays that we saw, not nearly as well written, were given "B" and "A" marks, for political correctness.
The Teacher's Union should be allover the school for this. Aren't they supposed to look after their members?
So, when (if) they ever enter the workforce they don't really have to show up for work but will expect to be paid, based on this logic ? Brilliant social engineering.
Kevlar body armor is legal in all Canadian provinces except BC & Manitoba *see British Columbia's Body Armour Control Act.
Similar legislation has been has been passed in Alberta and Nova Scotia but will not be in force until June 2012.
There will definitely be more restrictions to come after UN lawyer Alison Redford returns from secret global elitists Bilderberg meetings in Virginia this week.
Enjoy your freedom while you have it, it won't last forever.
I heard about tis on the radio yesterday. The students interviewed supported the teacher.
Ken at 10:46:
A good friend of mine teaches part time at George Brown College in Toronto (he's worked in industry most of his working life - he does this out of interest). He's lucky in that his administrator fully supports him when he docks marks for lateness, sloppy work, etc.
You know Cyclist - My daughter says that most of the students support her view too. And most of the parents who she meets at extra curricular activities (not that she brings this up with all of them) want accountability too. Teachers she lunches with want it too - they view it that when they put effort into teaching the least that can be expected is that the students will have to participate and try to learn.
So who is it that doesn't want this? Is it the school boards? The school administration? The school intelligensia in the Universities?
Whoa, whoa now, let's not spread untrue rumours about BC and body armour. I just bought a nice vest for my wife and had it delivered to my door, all quite legally. You either need to work in a certain industry like police or armoured car, have a licence issued by the govermnment for body armour, or hold a firearms licence. How many people in BC have a firearms licence? Well, me, my wife, and one hell of a lot of other people.
Who May Possess Body Armour WITHOUT a Permit
Individuals exempt from requiring a permit to possess body armour while performing the job on which the exemption is granted are:
Those who have a valid B.C. security worker licence authorizing them to provide the services of an armoured car guard, a private investigator, a security consultant, a security guard and / or a body armour salesperson.
Peace officers, sheriffs, corrections officers and conservation officers.
Those employed by the government if wearing body armour is required or allowed in the course of the person's employment.
Security guards registered as a gaming worker under the Gaming Control Act.
Individuals who possess a valid firearms licence issued under the Firearms Act (Canada).
rroe: "Is it the school boards? The school administration?"
Yes and yes. Parents are now clients and each school administration/board wants to hold onto all the students they can. Each student "comes with" $10,000-government grant attached. No school wants parents to pull their kid and send them to "the other school" down the street, either the neighbourhood Catholic or neighbourhood public school. They'll hang onto the $10,000 any way they can, which means throwing teachers under the bus -- and, in the long run, the kid too as they learn nothing about responsibility or accountability.
It's a scandal that the worst kids and their loud-mouthed, demanding parents run the "educational" show.
Re my post above @ 12:14PM: Kate's right when she says, "Not Showing Up To Riot Is A Failed Conservative Policy."
Not showing up to voice their disapproval that certain students in their kids' school are lowering all of the educational and behavioural standards is a failed policy of parents of respectful and accountable students.
Canadians are far too nice: A little demonstration of discomfort and dismay at how lax educational and behavioural standards have become in our schools would be a good thing. But "no one" wants to rock the boat.
While the boat's not being rocked, our children's education is being shot to smithereens. Surface calm doesn't mean that all is well: While the best parents and students acquiesce to what's happening by their silence, the worst will get the upper hand. It's already happening.
W.B. Yeats' prohetic words in The Second Coming are being borne out:
The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. ...
... what rough beast ... slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
A list of email addresses from the Ross Sheppard High School website:
Staff Contact List
Administration
Ron Bradley - Principal ron.bradley@epsb.ca
Scott Horton - AP scott.horton@epsb.ca
Randy Lyseng - AP randy.lyseng@epsb.ca
Kim Ogrodnick - AP kim.ogrodnick@epsb.ca
Rick Paulitsch - AP rick.paulitsch@epsb.ca
Maybe we should see if we can overflow the Principal's inbox with letters of support for Mr.Dorval.
the rat >
No rumours, you still need a licence, (possibly register the BA?) I did hear a rumour that you may also need to register individual BA, maybe you could clarify.
Regardless that's sort of the point, once licensed or registered can you expect an armed SWAT team crashing in your door for anything a sheeple may have received a doorbell chime for?
I had a professor (leftist but some had integrity in those days) who gave a student a minus-15. When the Registrar called to say he couldn't do that, I heard him say, "OK, give him a zero in my course and take 15 points off one of his other courses." and hung up.
Thank you for that link,"the rat". I was under the impression body armour was restricted to cops and security guards,etc., had no idea it can be bought by anyone with a PAL.
From the rat's link: "Who May Possess Body Armour WITHOUT a Permit
Individuals exempt from requiring a permit to possess body armour while performing the job on which the exemption is granted are:
Those who have a valid B.C. security worker licence authorizing them to provide the services of an armoured car guard, a private investigator, a security consultant, a security guard and / or a body armour salesperson.
Peace officers, sheriffs, corrections officers and conservation officers.
Those employed by the government if wearing body armour is required or allowed in the course of the person's employment.
Security guards registered as a gaming worker under the Gaming Control Act.
Individuals who possess a valid firearms licence issued under the Firearms Act (Canada)."
Knight99 - No, it's no rumour and yes you need some kind of licence but if the children are our future everyone should have a PAL, right? And a couple SKSs with a few thousand rounds of surplus ammo :-)
Frankly, I think it's just another way the nanny state worries more about criminals than citizens and infringes our rights. Police say it's "one more tool in the toolbox", I say they wouldn't need the toolbox if we just put criminals away on the real crimes they commit.
As for the registry of body armour:
Register of body armour
15 The registrar must establish and maintain a registry in which the registrar must keep a record of
(a) every body armour permit issued by the registrar and the current status of the permit,
(b) every security business licence and security worker licence, authorizing the sale of body armour, issued by the registrar and the current status of the licence, and
(c) every application for a body armour permit, security business licence or security worker licence that is refused by the registrar and the reasons for the refusal.
So it's a registry of permits, not actual body armour
the rat >
You bet.
Actually my question was do you need to register each body armor suit after a permit is acquired, or is the permit itself for each individual outfit?
Examples: Get permit and can freely buy 3 suits.
- Or - get individual permit for each suit (maybe one of each class I - II - III – IV etcetera) - Or - Get one permit, then register each suit individually?
Before June 2012, you could purchase body armor in Alberta as a free citizen. Although most sheeple will always say, “who cares if you can’t own body armor or need a licence” they really don’t get the concept that all bad governments like you defenceless, whether against criminals or themselves. Good governments look to thier citizens for policing and security. The bad will always sell you idiotic concepts that it’s for your own good, or the environment, or the children, or al Qaida wants to hurt you, whatever.
At the end of the day, they’ve only made you more defenceless and at their mercy, always a little less free regardless.
the rat >
Thanks for that, I read your last post just after I posted my registry question again.
Appreciate the reply.
Not showing up to voice their disapproval that certain students in their kids' school are lowering all of the educational and behavioural standards is a failed policy of parents of respectful and accountable students.
Canadians are far too nice: A little demonstration of discomfort and dismay at how lax educational and behavioural standards have become in our schools would be a good thing. But "no one" wants to rock the boat.
Posted by: batb at June 1, 2012 12:27 PM
Dead on.
Too lazy/cowardly/stupid to get off their arses and do something meaningful.
I’ve posted here numerous times about the wreck of our reckless public education systems. Despite their endless “Behaviour Codes”—NOT, except for the hardworking, principled teacher—the only thing that matters to them is kow-towing to PC orthodoxy, which sideswipes the effective learning of both academic disciplines and life skills, while these idiots enthusiastically embrace ludicrous, enforced hypocrisy, e.g., Muslim prayers/segregation by gender, on school time/property, along with gay-straight alliances: isn’t THAT a recipe for some kind of cl/crash? And, all of this stupidity and misdirected power means a death sentence to true learning (which involves both intellectual vigour and TRUTH), civility, the rule of law, and actual equality. While pretending to uphold these ideals, our educational bureaucrats have signed the death warrant of serious academic pursuit and civility. But I think these sycophants are too stupid to get it.
I don’t know a single teacher who’s happy in their job: they may actually LOVE TEACHING (that’s me!), but the public educational culture—from top to bottom—has been corrupted: for teachers, rarely supported by their “superiors”, it’s stultifying, utterly demeaning, and soul destroying—altogether hypocritical and boot-camp oppressive to the core. Not one teacher I know—and I know LOTS— would recommend that any young person become a teacher: and the more talented and principled that person is, the more likely it is that s/he would be unable to stomach the craven obeisance to politically correct corruption that pervades our educational (sic) Black Lagoons.
Perhaps there really is more to this present—no marks for no work (YEAH!!)—controversy than meets the eye: that’s what the “authorities” say. Do I believe them? NO WAY. But, we’ll see. These ludicrously paid boot-lickers are notoriously unreliable reporters, as their main aim is to keep their sinecure posts.
Kyrie eleison.
And, BRAVO, Lynden Dorval! Godspeed, my friend.
(And, as I can’t imagine the equally craven, left-wing union types being any help at all, please let us know if you’ll have a legal defence fund. I’ll contribute!)
lookout, well said. One of my sons-in-law would agree. He loves teaching. He also thinks these pink days are asinine and has yet to wear one. At the moment he has a great principle.
Recently he told me that the way things are going, he fully expects that someday he may have to choose between compromising too much or leaving the profession.
Batb, Yeats was right, why aren't we out there counter demonstrating? And as Oscar Wilde noted :socialism is nice, but it takes up too many evenings. We really outta get organized!
GR8 to hear from you, Ken. I know exactly how your son feels. All of the non-sell-outs feel the same way. I'm sure your son's a fine teacher and just what the kids really need. Godspeed to him.
P.S. All the "kiddy" riots and police stand-downs in the last year all over the West have EVERYTHING to do with "No serious consequences allowed for the kids in case we damage their self-esteem" lunacy.
I'm surprised the break-out/down didn't happen sooner. We're in for very tough times.
Tough times, indeed, lookout, larben, Ken K., et al. There's a bad moon rising, alright ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYnySGM9dQA&feature=related
School vouchers, please...
Old White guy gets crapped on by female run bureaucracy. Wow, that's never happened before!
Wonder where the Teacher's Union is on this? Oh right, another female run bureaucracy. Sisters gotta show solidarity baby! Throw the old man under the bus.
When these precious flowers graduate and move on to the real world they're going to be in for a rude awakening.
Many, many years ago when I was very young, I asked my dad the difference between an occupation and a profession. He told me that a professional person always put the best interest of the patient (or student, or client, etc.) above all. Even if he were not going to be paid, or had to disobey orders, or was very inconvenienced, he would do what his conscience, ethics and training enabled him to do for the person he was entrusted to help.
Mr. Dorval is a professional teacher and I salute him.
Dirtman: "When these precious flowers graduate and move on to the real world they're going to be in for a rude awakening."
Uh, I suggest that it's the rest of us who'll be in for a rude awakening -- a very rude awakening.
We've already got multi-tractor trailer rollovers on our major highways every week (two in one day on Thursday). 'Wonder who's driving those rigs? 'The precious flowers who don't know what the hell they're doing, and could care less: Just pay me, whatever ...
Here's a news clip and article about this fine teacher:
http://news.sympatico.ca/oped/coffee-talk/edmonton_teacher_suspended_for_handing_out_zeros_/49c0a673
I hope this lunacy blows up in the faces of the flaming lunatics running that school district (and all the others). Mr. Dorval was “hauled in” for doing the right thing. Tell me about it! I've been hauled in for the same reason: teachers are intimidated, bullied, humiliated, and punished for not following the ludicrous rules of the PC gulags that are our public school boards.
Teachers know their students best, and most are looking out for their best interests—meaning reasonable, which can sometimes be quite unpleasant, consequences. (A school social worker once told me that she hoped the consequence I’d just given to one of my special ed. students “wasn’t at all unpleasant”: oy vey!) For the past two decades—everything to do with the Charter and the boards’ fear of litigation— administrators have run interference for the students: they and their parents are considered clients. The more discipline/consequences a difficult student needs, the more likely it is that administration will block the teacher and require soft-pedalling.
Some of us will argue our case, and sometimes it works. But too often, teachers go along: the Education Act requires teacher compliance. There are many “underground” ways for teachers to mitigate compliance, but, as rita noted a few threads back, it makes one feel gritty and compromised. As I’ve said many times here, these days, to be a good teacher using best practice means being subversive: far too many rules, re both curriculum and behaviour, work against the best interests of the students. Teachers know this. And the administrators, with all kinds of power and the means to wield it, seem oblivious. Respect for our “superiors” is at an all-time low. (There are a few good ones out there, but, guess what? If they stray from gulag rules, they get punished too!)
I hope Lynden Dorval gets all the support that he needs (it’s unlikely to come from the left-wing, PC union), and that this situation shines a strong light on the utterly idiotic, dangerous, and subversive PC policies of our utterly compromised and often destructive public school boards. Students, teachers, and all of society, which is being altogether compromised by the “whatever” generation, deserve far better.
(Caleo - He would do what his conscience, ethics and training enabled him to do for the person he was entrusted to help.)
You are absolutely correct about that. In fact, the Code of Ethics which outlines a teacher's responsibilities says so. However, like many such documents, it only has the strength that its members are prepared to give to it. When that involves sacrifice or taking unpopular stands, many people would much rather keep their heads low and get along. I don't admire that. I think it shows a lack of character and principle. It's my private opinion that teaching tends to attract people-pleasers. Teachers want too much to be "nice" and they lack the fortitude to be tough when necessary.
A teacher has a duty to provide accurate and informative evaluation--of a type that allows the student and parents to know what is lacking. How else can you correct what's wrong? I recall saying to a Vice-Principal (after a workshop outlining that evaluation should be "adapted" according to the ability of the student) that we were being given more sophisticated ways to lie to students, to make them and their parents believe they were doing well. The premise was that if a student was judged to be of lesser ability, or disadvantaged in some way, then the bar should be lowered. Not only was the material adapted (which makes sense) or the manner in which it was taught, but the evaluation should not reveal that their work was not equivalent to the regular course material. If a student only accomplished half of the course, they were to be evaluated on what they had done only and not on what had been left undone. Sometimes even the student wasn't aware that she was being evaluated in a different way from her peers, and she had the impression that she was achieving on their level.
Increasingly, we are graduating people from Education faculties, who are attracted to the social engineering potential of their calling. These are the people who gravitate to the consultancies and positions at the Ministry of Education. That's where the ideas about curriculum originate, but they have plenty of help from those teachers who have similar interests. For example, when word gets out that a new curriculum in math is being considered, teachers who offer to sit on the committees have many goals. They not only want to develop another math course and see their names on the acknowledgements sheet, they also have their own axes to grind (aboriginal education, gender issues, environment, social justice...etc.) So when the curriculum is finally launched, it resembles nothing like what the ordinary foot soldiers in education know will work. It has become a socially transformative venture. Math (or English or science) becomes incidental to the greater cause.
Another aspect to evaluation double speak is that it's intended to make everyone look better. (The operative word is "look".) It's not important that anything actually BE better. But it's important that graduation rates are high, and student averages look good. So giving a student a "zero" is worse than giving him 20% because when you crunch the numbers, twenty contributes more to falsified stats than zero. Few people realize that when the Grade 12 marks are collated at the Ministry of Education, they can arbitrarily accord a student a "pass" in a subject if they are one short of being able to graduate. This is after all the fudging that has already gone on at the school level (not giving zeroes, automatically raising any mark above 45 to a fifty, etc.) The whole point of that is not to encourage students or make them feel better about themselves--it's to make the numbers look good. Imagine what graduation rates would look like if that sort of tweaking didn't go on. And NONE of that is done by teachers. Occasionally, teachers whose name is on a class list find out that "they" have "given" student so-and-so a passing grade when they actually have not done so. I would insist that my name be taken off such credits when I found out, but I know that numerous times I never found out about it. It neutralizes your efforts to be conscientious and caring when such things are done behind your back.
There is great resistance to evaluation that measures actual outcomes, especially if they are done province or country-wide. This would of course invite comparisons among schools and teachers. If teaching truly was a profession, teachers should want to compare their outcomes with others. That sort of feedback would be invaluable. And further, if they could trust their colleagues and adminstrators to be supportive, they could address their own weaknesses without fear--hence becoming better teachers. I was fortunate to have informal mentorship arrangements with teachers who were better than me. I owe more to them than my expensive degree. But teachers are right to be wary because they suspect, and rightly so, that they would end up being the scapegoats when administrators are seeking to assign blame for the poor performance of their schools.
Evaluation is a favorite topic of mine. I always felt it was a crucial part of the job of teaching--to do it as well, as accurately, as informatively as possible. Evaluation was to provide feedback on what the student had mastered and what required more work. Then the student, teacher and parent, in partnership could address the weaknesses. But if you are involved in a process of lying and obfuscation, it simply becomes another tool for manipulation.
If you are given a task and put forth zero effort, do zero work and hand in zero product what the hell are you supposed to get?
I've come to the conclusion that, at it's root, this whole thing is about the desire for superficial short term fulfillment, at the expense of future well-being.
The problem is that this short-sightedness is hard-wired in our brains, after millions of years of natural selection, and you can't overcome it without first being aware of it. But since these policies are ultimately dictated by the parents, it is not something that can be directly fixed merely through government policy.
It seems the vast, vast, majority of people will look at a story like this and scoff and think "how can they be so stupid as to implement such a thing." But then turn around and act the exact same way, albeit in a less obvious fashion. No normal, sane human wants to be aware of the fact that they have raised their child to be a delinquent.
A+, rita. I agree with EVERYTHING you've written.
Our educational (sic) systems are now far more into social engineering, and engineering phony results to look like success, than actually imparting either academic or social skills. The more IEPs (Individual Education Plans) and Behaviour Codes we have, the more they’re used to let kids off the hook. E.g., I once, informally, mentioned to my principal that one of my (viz-min) students consistently failed to complete his homework. Principal’s instant “solution”: “Exempt him from homework on his IEP.” I gave a mini-lesson on the real purpose of an IEP and refused. Needless to say, I was most unpopular with this administrator.
Yes, in general, it’s the PC collaborators, who want to make way more $$, with less responsibility and productivity, who gravitate to consultancies and administrative jobs. Real teachers, unwilling/unable to acquiesce to the corruption of the system, stay in their classrooms with their kids and do what they can to provide an authentic education for them. And this is done with administration ignoring their hard work and successes, while handicapping them at every turn with ludicrous and counter-productive regulations. WHAT a crock!
So, what Mr. Dorval has done is truly courageous. (I wonder what would have transpired if, let’s say, a Muslim teacher had done the same thing . . .) MAYBE this case will open up a proper discussion about how the system makes it very difficult, if not impossible, for even exemplary teachers to do their jobs properly. It didn’t used to be this way: it’s well past time to expose the idiocy at the rotten core of our public education systems by, for one thing, giving teachers the respect and support they both deserve and need in order to properly educate our kids.
I don’t hold my breath . . .
In a Calgary Herald article about the principled Mr. Dorval:
“Superintendent Edgar Schmidt has said the grading practice ensures teachers are truly assessing what students know. If a student doesn’t hand in work [and whose responsibility is THAT?], the teacher can’t judge whether the student knows the material, Schmidt said. The practice actually pushes students to do more work as opposed to entering a zero and telling them the opportunity to finish the assignment is gone, Schmidt said.”
Really?
And, I, as teacher can expect my salary and recognition for what I know if I phone from home and say that all my plans are complete, but, sorry, I’m not actually there?
What utter crap from this idiot, who, believe me, probably makes $150 000.00 +/year.
I know teachers who sometimes award a 50% rather than a deserved 45%. Why? If the student fails, who’s on the hook? NOT the student: administration tags the teacher and asks for a detailed plan re what the TEACHER is going to do to see that the student improves. The imperatives and accountability in our public schools are exactly upside down. Teachers are demoralized by and fed up with the Alice-in-Wonderland gulags they inhabit.
BRAVO, Lynden Dorval! As I said, I’ll contribute to any defence fund.
P.S. Here’s a link to the letter to Mr. Dorval, suspending him:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/95460985/EPSB-letter-suspending-teacher-Lynden-Dorval
Believe me, if there were a way for teachers to get information up the line about the number of regulations ignored and/or skewed by administrators—who do both all the time—I think there’d be few of them who’d keep their own jobs. These hypocritical sycophants are truly despicable.
The Moloch worshipers used to burn their own kids as sacrifice to their god. This isn't much different. Same idea...
Many great comments from teachers here on this thread, but fiddle nails the ultimate result.
In the filter, I've got another post—with a link to the suspension letter Mr. Dorval received, and a totally idiotic (what else is new?) statement by an Edmonton Board superintendent.
Equality? Irresponsible, disruptive students: they’re treated with kid gloves. How does admin. think they’ll learn the virtues in the multitude of school behaviour codes, when there are no serious consequences for serious infractions? Responsible teachers trying to do their jobs: when accused by a student, guilty as charged.
Disgusting.
http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2012/05/31/teacher-suspended-after-he-upheld-high-standards-is-a-hero/
Lookout, was this the article you mentioned?
Thanks, rita, but the excellent article you’ve linked is not the one with the letter of suspension. (The link for that is at my caught-in-the-filter post.)
In checking that out, however, I came across this memo from Mr. Dorval’s principal, recommending the suspension:
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Read+Recommendation+letter+suspension+teacher+Lynden+Dorval/6708649/story.html
What a load of you-know-what. I’m delighted to see these self-important clods being shown for the bullies and cry-babies they really are. These apparatchiks enjoy doing this kind of thing to those who don’t kow-tow to their idiocy. (Letter of the law: the principal and superintendent can do what they’ve done here. But we all know that, very often—and most often with sycophants like the majority of educational bureaucrats—“the law is an ass”.)
What irony: these powerful, grossly overpaid dolts, cocooned in their isolated and nicely appointed offices, bleat about “insubordination”, while they subvert the legitimate authority of the in-the-trenches, with no cover teachers all the time. These hyopocritical wolves sure aren't used to one of the sheep standing up to them!
I truly hope that this situation exposes the public education system for the mega-bully, PC fraud that it’s become. Teachers everywhere are cheering!