Supply Management Really Sucks

Well I see the dairy lobby arrived @ NP's comment section in full force. The family dairy farm has been dead for over 20 years. Killing the quota system may well have the OPPOSITE effect and improve profitability of small hobby farms...

I did a little math with stats from

http://www.dairyinfo.gc.ca/index_e.php?s1=cdi-ilc

It turns out that we the consumers get bilked for over 3 BILLION dollar a year from this commie fiasco.

...and guess where the lions share of coin goes.

There are 15000 farms in Canada that have quota.

Quebec has 8000 or $1.6 Billion
Ontario 4150 or $830 Million
Western Canada 1950 or $390 Million
Atlantic Canada 900 or $180 Million

Works out that the average family of 4 pay an extra $350 or so each year to protect a bunch of people from having to compete and thus produce better product.

Time for the dairy marketing board and all its pals to go.

If she runs I will join the Liberals and vote for her as will anybody else who is actually serious about limiting government and not just a partisan hack.

Poor people pay several times what they should to subsidize corporate farmer millionaires. All it takes is for one province to pull out and the house of cards would fall. I am not sure about Alberta's interest in maintaining the system.

I am a small business owner who voted for the conservatives in the last election.
I may have to start looking for a party that respects, personal service, small businesses.
Flaherty has labeled a draft that is looking at being punitive towards my style of small business.
I am pissed at the conservatives, if this draft becomes law.My local MP is going to get an earfull!!!

"Supply management" ( a true soviet market control system) is the back bone of the crony capitalist systems entrenched in the east - egg,dairy,meat, produce marketing boards essentially control supply and set prices. This is why we have seen prosucers pour milk, eggs and other foods in the sewer. These boards also run a Gestapo-like oppression of small producers who wish to sell whole foods directly to the consumer.
QUE BONO?

Big agra processors who have the government squashing competition and supporting the false scarcity and regulated high cost of consumer goods.

As a Liberal ( the greatest proponents of this corrupt corporate-government crony kleptonomic supply control system), he will slapped back into line quicky.

Yeah, supply management sucks. And so does paying thousands in taxes that mostly benefits city dwelling parasites.

Yeah, fiddle.

So, we should get rid of both of those evil subsidies and let the taxpayer decide for himself where he wants to spend his money.

Agreed?

Okay, you get right on that...you can start by sending your damn kids to private schools on your own dime.

UPDATE :

Joan Crockett from sun news network is running in Calgary center for her seat .....

Hope she wins!!!!

Who paid for your schooling, fiddle?

I'll bet it was somebody else.

Correct?

You would bet wrong.

So, you paid for your own schooling through high school graduation?

Sounds like you got a real bargain.

The largest obstacle to opening up dairy farming in Canada - is Quebec, which dominates the dairy industry and insists on having the largest 'allowed' quote of dairy production.

Now, why Findlay would be attacking this sector suggests that she's leaving Quebec to Mulcair and seeking votes for the Liberals elsewhere.

This opening salvo by Martha Hall Findley could lead to something unseen in the Liberal Party for at least 50 years. A leadership campaign based on issues. Naw, it will never happen.

It will all ... Oh! Look how shiny Justin's hair is.

I amwithfiddle on this one I went to public school ....my parents paid taxes call it even my dad and grandpa and farming grandparents all paid taxes till they died ... I call it fair ..but I whole heatedly agree with set you free ..I say

Completely abolish the entire public school system!!! Either homeschool or enroll them in private schools.

Homeschooled kids are generally smarter , more polite ,and more motivated to be something other than an occupier of either camp or their parents basement!!,

Sounds like you got a real bargain.

Whether I did, or not, is no concern of yours since you weren't forced to pay for it.

One thing it did produce is a person who doesn't need someone looking over their shoulder to make sure a job is completed properly.

Which goes back to the topic, no matter the government intervention, rural people will always survive, because they know how. Supply management, or no supply management.

There's lots of leftist envy out there about 'rich farmers', but it's due to efficiency and hard work that gets them there.

If a typical public corporation operated the same business, in the 'free market', the cost of the product would be at least double what it is now, what with all the paperwork and safety meetings to be done just to milk a cow. Or any of the other myriad of jobs to be done from treating animals to putting up hay.

That's not to say supply management is any damn good, but it does point out that the costs could be even higher...

Last year over 74,000,000 kilograms of chicken were imported into Canada with no tariffs to speak of. Meanwhile New Zealand and Australia have sanitary trade barriers to keep out all chicken unless it is cooked til it is almost unedible: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/regulations_&_policies/new_zealand_requirements/index.asp "Cooked Poultry Products - At this time, the New Zealand standard for cooked chicken/turkey from the United States is cooking to a minimum internal temperature of 70°C for at least 50 minutes, 80°C for 9 minutes, or 100°C for at least one minute."

Who is protectionist again? Perhaps Martha wants us to follow NZ and Aus and block almost all imports of chicken to Canada since she thought they were such a great example. Probably just easier to ignore facts that don't fit the narrative.

What is the price of milk in New Zealand and why has their parliament been concerned with it? If you want to get a glimpse of what is happening for real in this market we are supposed to emulate, according to Martha, then read the following article from New Zealand. It also shows how retail and farmer prices have very little correlation but all of you already know that from BSE and the really cheap beef(sarc) we had in stores. Consider yourself warned! This also does not fit the narrative.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/blogs/the-bottom-line/6384761/The-price-of-milk-is-a-big-red-herring

Of course it's a red herring. Just an excuse for inefficient public corporations to take a bigger bite. Just like in the BSE situation.

Most of these corporations would be driven to bankruptcy in true free market conditions. It could even be called 'standardized inefficiency', with the various ISOs, COR, standardized safety programs, and on and on.

Okay.
So the token female leadership candidate of the liberal party starts making conservative noises.
Yep, hear this all the time from the blu-lib faction of the LPC.
Sort of like that other platform plank they followed through on to "keel da GST" when they had a majority for 13 years. Oh wait...

What got over looked in the shock and awe of a liberal saying things a small c conservative would find agreeable, is that the person saying it has 1- not declared her candidacy for leader, so she hasn't promised anything just prodded conservatives to ponder how conservative the current government is. 2- In order for the liberals to actually follow through on this the party has to adopt a policy of smaller less intrusive government..which kind of runs contrary to the left wing ideology that the majority of the party currently tends toward. That means the party would need to shift not just noticably, but dramatically, to the right. If you believe that MHF will become leader and then obtain a majority so as not to be beholden to the NDP to retain power...I got a bridge to sell ya.
If MHF really honestly feels this way, then she has either had an epiphany and will be announcing she will be taking out a membership with the CPC, or she is just on a fishing trip.

My point is that the supposedly business friendly blu-libs are going to have to decide to fish or cut bait over the next year.
Current talk among the dewy eyed punditry is that the first choice among the lib crowd is Justin, the Kardashian Kid, Trudeau. Which to my subjective opinion tends to be on the more socialist side of the party, that is if we are to believe he is so much like his father. That would also suggest that a long shot for the leadership like MHF with any ideas of dismantling supply management would end up being one of those nobodies in the back bench.
How soon we forget who those outraged voices where in the opposition benches when the legislation to end the wheat Board monopoly was brought forward. Liberal MP's of the blu-lib variety taking the party line in opposition to ending the monopoly in favour of market freedom and less government intrusion.

Here's the rub.
Regardless of what the policy is, the only new policies the liberals have available for adoption are on the right side of the political divide.
For the majority of the party membership, a move to the right, matters not what for, is DOA.
And to move to the center from where they are, they have to move to the right.
Ask yourself this, in any of the ink spilled in those articles, did you see the words "conservative" or "right of center policy" used?

Okay.
So the token female leadership candidate of the liberal party starts making conservative noises.
Yep, hear this all the time from the blu-lib faction of the LPC.
Sort of like that other platform plank they followed through on to "keel da GST" when they had a majority for 13 years. Oh wait...

What got over looked in the shock and awe of a liberal saying things a small c conservative would find agreeable, is that the person saying it has 1- not declared her candidacy for leader, so she hasn't promised anything just prodded conservatives to ponder how conservative the current government is. 2- In order for the liberals to actually follow through on this the party has to adopt a policy of smaller less intrusive government..which kind of runs contrary to the left wing ideology that the majority of the party currently tends toward. That means the party would need to shift not just noticably, but dramatically, to the right. If you believe that MHF will become leader and then obtain a majority so as not to be beholden to the NDP to retain power...I got a bridge to sell ya.
If MHF really honestly feels this way, then she has either had an epiphany and will be announcing she will be taking out a membership with the CPC, or she is just on a fishing trip.

My point is that the supposedly business friendly blu-libs are going to have to decide to fish or cut bait over the next year.
Current talk among the dewy eyed punditry is that the first choice among the lib crowd is Justin, the Kardashian Kid, Trudeau. Which to my subjective opinion tends to be on the more socialist side of the party, that is if we are to believe he is so much like his father. That would also suggest that a long shot for the leadership like MHF with any ideas of dismantling supply management would end up being one of those nobodies in the back bench.
How soon we forget who those outraged voices where in the opposition benches when the legislation to end the wheat Board monopoly was brought forward. Liberal MP's of the blu-lib variety taking the party line in opposition to ending the monopoly in favour of market freedom and less government intrusion.

Here's the rub.
Regardless of what the policy is, the only new policies the liberals have available for adoption are on the right side of the political divide.
For the majority of the party membership, a move to the right, matters not what for, is DOA.
And to move to the center from where they are, they have to move to the right.
Ask yourself this, in any of the ink spilled in those articles, did you see the words "conservative" or "right of center policy" used?

ARRGH
double post
Kate, Please delete one of them.

Hard to believe, but it supply management could be ended during this majority mandate. The imperative that Canada be in on the pacific free trade arrangement creates the force majure justification to librate those sectors. In time the efficiences deregulation will deliver will add to Canada's efficiency and this productivity and GDP. Really really hope it happens without costing the CPC a second majority term.

When will the Conservatives get some cojones on this, as compared to the Wheat Board?

Think about it? If supply management was deep sixed, those with quota would rightly demand compensation to the tune of multi $$$billions with a B. Production in formerly supply managed sectors would increase to levels of 5 times domestic consumption, as in the freeloading ag sector, with comparable demands for equivalent welfare bum welfare, entitlement to their parasitical entitlements. Dig deep, komrades, dig deep. And be careful what you wish for.

The imperative that Canada be in on the pacific free trade arrangement...

Yeah, let's get some more Chinese and Jap junk.

Good luck with that one-way free trade...

http://www.multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1990/07/pickens.html

And so does paying thousands in taxes that mostly benefits city dwelling parasites.

What taxes do you pay, welfare bum?

Gord Tulk, agreed, and the sooner the better.

It is literally impossible for anyone to get into any of those businesses except in a small backyard way.

BTW, has anyone else noticed that the jars of canned peaches Costco sells come from China, not BC, Ontario or Georgia. In the 1960s, there were about 12 factories in Ontario that canned peaches, now there are non. What is next, strawberry jam also from China?

Fiddle:

In the fullness of time Canada would likely have a trade surplus with china. Natural resources are the lifeblood of any manufacturing ecOnomy and we have what china needs.

China has exactly nothing we need, unless you count slave, and near slave, labour.

Paying for our resources with baubles, just what we need...

One thing she does have right is that worldwide demand for food is increasing, principally due to the increased ability of Asians to pay for imported food. This has increased agricultural commodity prices and caused a farming boom in the western U.S. states even as the overall American economy is stagnant. This has also been a major factor in easing the transition away from the "single desk" of the Canadian Wheat Board.

I'm not going to pretend to have all the agricultural policy answers for Canada, but it is clear that right now looks like a propitious time to act. The Conservatives only have five seats to lose in Quebec in any case, and who's to know that the dairy-related vote will actually lose them any?

Why do people want Canada to concede on their sensitive products and get nothing in return? In the NAFTA trade agreement Canada gave 2.5% (now about 25 million kilograms per year) more preferential access to Canada's chicken market for example and this helped them succeed in achieving their trade goals. Every Country has sensitive products it protects in various ways and Canada needs some things to offer to negotiate access in areas that other countries wish to protect. I wouldn't say it is treasonous but it seems utterly foolish to give in to other countries wish lists without negotiating something in return and yet headline after headline in the msm and experts like Martha think somehow that if we give many concessions in advance of negotiations then our trading partners will just magically and voluntarily make us the trade concessions we need out of the goodness of their hearts. Why handcuff our negotiators before they even start negotiating?

Phil, fiddle pays the same taxes we all do: TOO MUCH.

This has increased agricultural commodity prices and caused a farming boom in the western U.S. states...

Oh, you mean the increase to early 1970's levels? I wonder if anyone can name another line of business so efficient they can exist on product prices from 40 years ago?

The last time I looked BC doesn't even produce half the white milk that is consumed in the province! Under Supply Management the vast amount of dairy is produced, surprise, in Quebec. White milk is the low end of the product line as most cheese etc is exclusive to Quebec. This is another way that central Canada stiffs the west. Naturally none of this is ever debated in the MSM.

Paying for our resources with baubles, just what we need...

Yeah, it is just what we need. Or I need at least. So we're going to trade. Deal with it.

Why handcuff our negotiators before they even start negotiating?

Please go back to the year 1700 and take mercantilism with you. I want milk and I want it cheap. Deal with it.

LAS you mean cheap prices like New Zealand:
"Both in raw dollar terms and relative to the median weekly income in each country, New Zealanders faced bigger food bills than many of their overseas counterparts.
Milk is especially expensive. A survey of supermarket prices found most New Zealanders are paying about $5.49 for three litres.``

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10781924

Thats from todays/tomorrows paper in New Zealand. This free trade example to the world also has some of the highest consumer milk prices in the world. Meanwhile next door in Australia there is a milk war and the same fonterra milk is selling for a fraction of the cost subsidized by the high prices in New Zealand. Trade is hard!