Y2Kyoto: "So much for the extreme urgency of climate mitigation…"

Meh, CO2 is plant food, maybe someday even europeans will figure that one out.

Somebody needs to start an anti-unintended consequence regulation!

Germany is waking up to the whole scam on Global warming.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/06/germany-in-skeptical-turmoil-on-both-climate-and-windfarms/#more-56069

Now to relay this info to Dalton McGuinty, premier of the now have-not province of Ontario, who is stuck on stupid with so called green energy putting Ontar-i-owe deeper into the red.

More than that, Peter. Germany is stuck on stupid in every regard. Shutting down reliable nuclear plants makes no more sense than the green anti-CO2 frenzy.

This change of course has nothing to do with all the coal that Germany has and all the under employed German miners waiting to mine it.

Meanwhile the US has reduced CO2 by 450m tons in the last 5 years, with cheaper energy.

Shale Gas Boom Helps To Slash CO2 Emissions, As Well As Create Jobs And Save Consumers Billions:

http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/2012/05/23/shale-gas-boom-helps-to-slash-co2-emissions-as-well-as-create-jobs-and-save-consumers-billions/

It's not just Germany that will be burning coal. There is just too much fuel out there to burn! I like this line: "If we get a really warm summer, there may not be a need for forced coal burns", meaning, if it is hot enough, they'll be burning coal, otherwise, they'll be burning coal.

http://business.financialpost.com/2012/05/28/record-coal-stockpiles-could-squelch-u-s-natgas-recovery/

There has never been a time on earth with lower atmospheric CO2 = we need som more to regenerate our forest production.

UK Met Office global temperature data confirms that the world has not warmed in the past 15 years. CO2 production has increased in that time - can the GHG theory be as wrong as the AGW computer models?

Frankly, there is ample consensus science to doubt AGW/GHG and go after people who wrecklessly use this bad science to dictate public/economic policy. Get some jail cells ready for the carbon tading hucksters. My guess is the first ones doing time for AGW malfeasant policy making will be from Australia.

The Russians agree.

http://notrickszone.com/2012/05/21/scientists-of-the-russian-academy-of-sciences-global-warming-is-coming-to-an-end-return-to-early-1980s-level/

Last winter, Germany had to recommission some mothballed nuke plants because NG from Russia was in short supply.....

IMHO we should mothball rather than scrap closed coal fired generators.....for the time after we eventually sideline/incarcerate/execute the enviro-nazis.

The enviro-nazi's agenda is AGENDA 21 not the environment....sooner or later there will be blood on the snow........

I believe that the German nuclear capacity was mostly brought online before the Green anti-industrial revolutionaries stalled all new construction. Facilities which should have been modernized were kept online because the the eco-nazis wouldn't have allowed upgrading to higher standards. So after a knee-jerk reaction to Fukushima (where no one was killed) the Germans shut down older Nukes and go back to coal which is their only reliable alternative to Nukes (excluding Natural Gas from Russia).

The Coal facilities brought online should have large signs displayed which state that these Coal fired plants are running thanks to the Greens who won't allow construction of cleaner and safer sources of power. David Suzuki Macht Frei!

I'd like to think that Germany is returning to sound economics and respect for taxpayers in their energy policy. Unfortunately, this does not appear to be the case. It is doom-based energy policy, a condition most of the modern world currently suffers from. It careens wildly from nuclear fears -> to carbon dioxide fears-> to economic collapse fears-> pipeline fears-> fracking fears -> coastal drilling fears -> back to nuclear fears.

In short this energy policy by political paranoia - which, because of energy's economic importance, has narcotic-like addiction side effect more dangerous than crack or meth.

Just think of the billions, maybe trillions, that have been wasted on this gigantic socialist fraud and could have been used to mitigate poverty by teaching people in third world countries how improve their standard of living. No, the money had to be spent on some utopian hoax.

Liz J, McGuinty is too stupid to get it. The people there will have to wake up and throw the bum out.

John Chittick, "David Suzuki Macht Frei!". That was brilliant!

From your reference, slightly adapted, --
Germany’s decision last year to power down eight of its 17 nuclear reactors leaves idle enough zero carbon power to drive down the country’s CO2 emissions another 21 percent from 2008 levels. Yet instead of sounding the alarm at this huge missed opportunity as the nation instead turns back towards coal, some German greens have gone so far as to claim Germany literally “has the right” to eschew nuclear in favor of much greater emissions levels than necessary. // accelerated production and adoption of solar: //

To elaborate --
After the Fukushima disaster Angela Merkel shocked her own party by charting a course to phase out nuclear power in Germany. That decision hasaccelerated the production and adoption of solar:
Norbert Allnoch, director of the Institute of the Renewable Energy Industry (IWR) in Muenster, said the 22 gigawatts of solar power per hour fed into the national grid on Saturday met nearly 50 percent of the nation's midday electricity needs.

from the Urban Dictionary

carbophobia An irrational fear of element 6 of the periodic table, from which all organic life is based. Promoted by such great bastions of scientific research such MTV, Current TV, and Al Gore.

Currently a source of great hysteria. Carbophobia has reached such levels its become its own religion. It rewards believers and punishes infidels and has its own apocalyptic end of the world scenario.

Often a substitute for deeper personal issues regarding the dislike of other human beings, their ability to warm themselves, cook, and transport themselves through the use of this element. and when faced with conflicting science, victims of carbophobia are prone to religious like reflexes and seek to punish disbelievers by excommunication and ridicule. Viewed by many government figures as a convenient source of new tax funds.

You might want to research a little further, dizzy. Germany is also considering drastically cutting the subsidies to solar/wind energy. The current green energy policies are hurting the economy, creating energy poverty and, inevitably, blackouts.

"Old coal power plants need to stay in operation or Germany’s power grid faces collapse. That is the warning of Germany’s national grid agency. Because the danger of blackouts is growing as a result of the shut-down of six nuclear power plants last year, the Federal Network Agency is proposing to suspend legal emission limits for plants.

It sounds paradoxical: The green energy transition in Germany doesn’t seem viable without polluting fossil fuel power stations.

Because the danger of blackouts is growing as a result of the shut-down of six nuclear power plants last year, the Federal Network Agency is proposing to suspend legal emission limits for plants."

Translation Philipp Mueller
Die Welt, 10 May 2012

http://thegwpf.org/international-news/5695-green-energy-crisis-german-network-agency-calls-for-suspension-of-emission-laws-for-old-coal-plants.html

Ah Dizzy, poor Dizzy. Please explain how your statement is consistent with Germany's cut of its solar FIT rate this year. The surge in construction last year was the last wave trying to get through the gate before Germany closed the doors. This wave of construction long preceded Fukushima in its planning phase.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/22/us-germany-solar-idUSTRE81L1LY20120222

So much for your nonsense.

Yes Dizzy, brainwashing is so very hard to undo, but here is the future of green technology.

http://notrickszone.com/2011/07/04/weed-covered-solar-park-20-acres-11-million-only-one-and-half-years-old/

Posted on other threads here previously, but definitely worth a read if you haven't seen it:

Germany's Failing Environmental Projects

From the otherwise left-leaning Der Spiegel, a surprisingly straight-talking treatment of current issues.

Another article on the subsidy reduction You can have too much of a good thing

LC Bennett & cgh & peterj & CJ
Welcome to capitalism. In the early years of the auto industry, everybody & his dog were building cars. I once saw a car built by Frigidaire -- it looked like a fridge. Lots of failures, consolidations etc until the ologopolic tendancies & government highway programs took over.
You will, I presume, agree that the introduction of the automobile succeeded.
Folks around here are like the the horse-trough & buddy-whip purveyers who stood on the sidelines yelling "get a horse" while the future went sputtering by. [the buggy manufacturers were busy making horseless carriages]

From 1990 to 2008 metric tons of carbon per person
Germany 3.56 to 2.61 Canada 4.43 to 4.46
France 1.91 to 1.66 UK 2.71 to 2.32
USA 5.14 to 4.90 Australia 4.58 to 5.17

I am surprised somebody takes carbon trade seriously as if it's something legitimate.
In my days it would have been treated as ponzi scheme and investigated by FBI.

As usual, Dizzy, you miss the point. Canada and Australia are resource-based economies that are all growing. All of the others, with the exception of Germany, are all shrinking. The selection of the year 2008 leads to an endpoint falacy, as it's before the German nuclear shutdown.

Listen carefully. EU reductions in GHGs had nothing to do with adoption of renewble energy and everything to do with industrial recessions starting in 2008 and the increased use of gas substituting for coal.