The Gray Lady Shows Her True Colours

Charest is right wing? who knew?

NYT has literally turned into a parody of a caricature of a satirical spoof...
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Quel Surpris,

Imagine that...two political science profs with a marxist bent...are opposed to a Government that isnt' marxist.

I guess the only real surprise, would be if someone reading the bio's of these two....was surprised they supported anarchy.

Time for Quebec to pack up and take their parasites with them. I'm tired of paying for their shit.

Note how these two professors fail to note that even after the tuition hike (which will take seven long years), Quebec students will still pay the lowest tuition in North America.

Bill 78 is ham-fisted and should be unnecessary. Protests are one thing - riots are another. The Criminal Code already has sufficient scope to control these protests if only the state has the willpower to implement it. Someone needs to remind Mr. Charest that one of the things that makes our society function is that we have given the monopoly on violence to the state. If the state gives it up to the mob, then anarchy is soon to follow.

It is not surprising that the NYT supports anarchy and extreme left wing groups.

Yeah, I'm with Taliesyn on this one. As mind-boggling stupid as these protests are, there's more than adequate legal frameworks to deal with them, from the Riot Act to existing laws on the wearing of masks in the commission of crimes, etc., etc. All the legal grandstanding is doing is producing more bad laws in the face of pressure to be seen to be "doing something", when what needed to happen was a swift, measured, sane response to the first riot.

I am so sick of Quebec and the attention they are paid. I want to make more decisions with my wallet, so I do not support Quebec industry.

I already know to fly Westjet, instead of Air Canada.

I know if I need something for the house, to avoid Rona.

If I am buying personal watercraft, I know to not buy Bombardier.

Where else can I make similar decisions, to avoid supporting Quebec and their entitlement culture?

I'm beginning to think that the only way for this to end is when the idiots, unions, and young adults finally push the normal Canadians beyond our patience. It also appears that they may be getting there sooner than they think. It may end up, that the normals finally get their dander up, and decide enough is enough. I can assure you, that a 'right wing' protest doesn't break windows or burn cars, governments are changed when ordinary people get annoyed enough, and they tend to be very rough with anarchists.

Putin my grandmother! Putin would have had the good sense to have New York City blacked out because Hydro-Quebec cut off the power it sends south, till the Times printed a retraction, an apology, the Quebec government's ad on Bill 78 free of charge, and an assurance that they would not comment on the issue again (and that any reporting on the issue they did do would be allowed to be checked by Quebec authorities for distortions before printing).

As things stand, stuff like this is proof that Bill 78 doesn't go nearly far enough. Write off the semester? Far better that now Lower Canada's French universities are closed they stay closed for good. Let the long suffering Protestants and Jews who have been forced to pay taxes to finance the propaganda campaigns of the Queen's enemies in Lower Canada get some serious tax relief. The children of loyal Protestants and Jews who are genuinely interested in and able for a real university education (and most study in Quebec) are already at McGill, which can take care of itself.

I'm not holding my breath on either one.

I refuse to feel sorry for Premier Charest. They are all looking like idiots.

Excuse me, I meant to write:

"(and must study in Quebec)"

The current level of tuition fees needs to be mentioned in context of a 75% increase, one would think. Or the fact that CEGEP fees for Quebecers are free. Student not going on to university and Quebecers lead that category, will have paid nothing for their education. I suspect American readers would be shocked at how low tuition fees really are. Of course there is a corresponding value to the degrees granted, but that's the way things usually work out.

"Americans traveling to Quebec this summer should know they are entering a province that rides roughshod over its citizens’ fundamental freedoms."

Americans traveling to Quebec this summer would be doing the ROC a favour by riding roughshod over some of those citizens. In their F150s.

All the legal grandstanding is doing is producing more bad laws in the face of pressure to be seen to be "doing something", when what needed to happen was a swift, measured, sane response to the first riot.

Yes. Bureau-Blouin, Desjardins, and Nadeau-Dubois ought to have been doing their best impression of Louis Riel outside the Montreal bus station for the past few months, along with every union and separatist scumbag who put them up to it. You kill a snake by cutting off its head.

Fun fact: the park outside the station where the rioters gather, place Emilie-Gamelin, is named after a French Canadian golddigger turned nun after the death of her husband long before his time (no foul play, of course), who tried to buy her way into heaven with her husband's money by using it to do Rome's dirty work in Canada, including giving aid and comfort to traitors during the republican rebellion of 1837. How appropriate.

(The best part: for her work to attempt to reclaim Lower Canada for Rome and rid it of Protestantism and English law, she was rewarded by the Pope with beatification in 2001.)

Related: In Duplessis' day, no landlord in his right mind would have given Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois anywhere to lie down and rest. As it is, two months arrears on rent has convinced his landlord that it doesn't pay to house a traitor:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Student+protest+leader+Gabriel+Nadeau+Dubois+faces+eviction+from+apartment/6661606/story.html

Where's that asteroid...

"Americans traveling to Quebec this summer should know they are entering a province that rides roughshod over its citizens’ fundamental freedoms."

Judging by what I'm reading about the effect of these student demonstrations on Québec tourism, Americans won't be travelling there this summer anyway.

Destroying businesses and sources of public revenue: that'll sure help the provincial economy fund university tuition.

"Let the long suffering Protestants and Jews who have been forced to pay taxes to finance the propaganda campaigns of the Queen's enemies in Lower Canada get some serious tax relief. The children of loyal Protestants and Jews who are genuinely interested in and able for a real university education (and most study in Quebec) are already at McGill, which can take care of itself."

"Fun fact: the park outside the station where the rioters gather, place Emilie-Gamelin, is named after a French Canadian golddigger turned nun after the death of her husband long before his time (no foul play, of course), who tried to buy her way into heaven with her husband's money by using it to do Rome's dirty work in Canada, including giving aid and comfort to traitors during the republican rebellion of 1837. How appropriate."

I see that while the students of Québec display their political insanity on the streets of Montréal, Dick Slater prefers to shout his out to the world in the comments section of SDA.

The govt. of Quebec should have told those students on the first friday of the protest,that if they didnt get back to classes on monday,they would forfeit their tuition and NEVER be allowed to set foot on a Quebec university property again. You dont have to shoot rioters but thats next best.

Close the campus, send home the profs.

Issue F's to everyone for the semester.

Have a nice day.

The big question is why Lisa Raitt isn't tabling back to school legislation against the striking student union...

"The big question is why Lisa Raitt isn't tabling back to school legislation against the striking student union..."

Because it ain't a Federal problem.

Yet.

"Americans traveling to Quebec this summer should know they are entering a province that rides roughshod over its citizens’ fundamental freedoms.

Laurence Bherer and Pascale Dufour are associate professors of political science at the University of Montreal."

One last thought on this.

Quebeckers (and indeed Canadians in general) cheerfully travel to Cuba in large numbers without concerning themselves the least bit about entering a country "that rides roughshod over its citizens’ fundamental freedoms".

I wonder if either of these two learned lady professors have ever frequented a beach or two in the Cuban socialist paradise?

Well, Quebec can perhaps learn something from the Greeks:

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=420077

Let me see...

Jean Charest and his Liberal Party being lied about and made to look bad in the NY Slimes. Check.

Liberals making bad law so they can be seen Doing Something by the media. Check.

Communists and unionists rioting in Montreal while Liberal Party lets them. Check.

Yep, it all checks out. I have no problem with any of it.

the 'students' are buying a service (nevermind that they're using our money)

if they're unhappy with the price going up, then they can take their business elsewhere

since when is secondary education a 'right' ?

I don't get to protest in the streets and throw things through store windows when the price of food goes up because lunatics like these gorean twits force governments to use corn for gas or tack 'green taxes' on everything....

they caused the shortage of funds for their subsidies, they'll have to live being a little less subsidized...or pay what everyone else pays..that'd be the best start.

So two left wing professors, decide to tarnish Canada and their province of employment for some hallucinatory communist ideals? Speaks volumes of their intellect.

"The big question is why Lisa Raitt isn't tabling back to school legislation against the striking student union"

Education is not a federal power. The feds should stay out of this. Quebec is quite capable of making a perfect ass of itself without Ottawa's help.

Mewling babies. The students on "strike" ought to have their resumes shredded by any employers to which they apply for jobs - if they ever grow up and try to get jobs, that is.

"Close the campus, send home the profs.

Issue F's to everyone for the semester.

Have a nice day."

Ha! They'll have to pay to retake those classes next semester!

First, the Quebec government most certainly is not violating any fundamenal rights. There is no such right as 'freedom of assembly'. The exact wording is 'freedom of peaceful assembly' (2c). These students are violating the Charter.

Second, there is no such thing as 'free tuition'. Someone ELSE is paying for the student's tuition. The students are objecting to paying for it themselves, declaring that education is a 'right' and a 'necessity'. Neither claim has any validity.

There is no need, in the social sciences and humanities, to become knowledgeable in these areas, to go to university. You can do it on your own. And it's interesting that the students who are NOT striking are those in law, medicine, engineering, the sciences, etc.

Third, take a look at that tuition. Not only is it the lowest in Canada, but as I've said a zillion times, this low rate is available to any and all francophone students all over the world. Unlike in the rest of Canada, in Quebec, international students who come from a francophone nation, don't pay the international rate which is about ten times that of the home rate. Those coming from France, Belgium etc pay the same as Quebecois. Who is subsidizing this? Not Quebec but the Rest of Canada and their federal funding of universities.

But, if you come from any other province in Canada, you pay double the Quebec rate. Quebec is the only province to charge Canadians more than Quebecers.

What is the result of this demand for 'free' tuition. Or more accurately, for having other people fund their university education? What could result?

A first result would be an increase in costs to the taxpayer. Four years of university? Totally paid by the taxpayer? And what if the student opted to take five or seven years for is degree? Or degrees?

A second result would be a reduction in the number of taxpayers contributing to the Magic Cauldron of money to pay for this 'free tuition. Since students would not be entering the work force for more and more years, then, there would be fewer taxpayers around to pay an increased cost.

A third result would be a shortening of the work and thus tax-life of Quebecers. Since they would be entering the work and thus tax force much later in life, then, their tax dollars would be substantially less, in total. Of course, a government could then increase taxation by a large percentage, to make up for this lifelong loss of income.

They seem to forget that the Canadian Charter protects "peaceful assembly", not violent assembly. The word "peaceful" is specifically used in the Charter and I'm sure the U.S. has similar limitations. Ironically, if you compare the way Canadian police treat our protestors with their counterparts in the U.S., 'nuff said. And I don't think an American cop faces a major court battle, commissions and investigations and all the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth by legalistic crybabies every time a cop legitimately defends himself with a baton when a delinquent protestor turns violent, or if he needs to use force when a protestor resists arrest.

I'd like to see Michael Moore throw a brick through a window or throw a bottle at a cop in New York -- an N.Y. cop would kick Moore's fat millionaire ass all the way to jail, and Moore's nose would be "accidentally" broken while trying to load the tub o' lard into the cruiser. Oopsie!

That being said, I don't have the slightest sympathy for the Quebec Liberal government -- I hope the spoiled brat protestors burn the damn place to the ground, and I hope the same thing happens in Ontario. The reason being, "it's time to pay the piper" -- Liberals have raised an entire generation of crybabies in an environment of false victimhood, failed to teach them to distinguish between human rights and human privilege, and indoctrinated the generation into a class warfare response -- the most privileged students in one of the most prosperous nations on the face of the planet actually believe that they are being exploited! So what's the big surprise -- didn't we deliberately allow them to be taught for decades that everybody is a victim? The students are simply believing and acting on what they have been taught by the Liberal Left, although it is completely disconnected from reality.

If you flirt with someone long enough, sooner or later you are going to end up in bed with them. The Liberal Left has flirted with Marxian victimhood for decades especially in Quebec, has ended up in bed and they have finally produced the illegitimate child of that political coitus. Let it run its course, let them burn the country down -- Liberals need to learn first hand that Marxist victimology is slavery, not freedom. Joni Mitchell sang: "You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone". And I'm not talking about losing forests here (which we still have plenty of, thanks to people like Joni), I'm talking about losing freedom and prosperity, the latter of which Liberal Canada no longer deserves.

Esau foolishly sold his inheritance for a bowl of pottage. Trudeau Liberalism has done the same. Hence, it deserves the same fate as Esau.

The only way any of this will end is when equalization payments stop.

The problem, ricardo, with your excellent suggestion that Quebec be allowed to implode is that, unfortunately for Canada, Quebec exists in a fireproof cocoon.

That cocoon is Canada. Quebec economically exists within the security net of Canada. It can splurge and spend, as it does, on all kinds of socialist benefits that the ROC does not provide its citizens - and the major costs of all these 'Quebec benefits' is picked up by the ROC taxpayers.

You can be sure that the ROC will somehow, in the future, end up paying for those police and the results of the students' vandalism.

Quebec is cocooned within the political security of Canada, such that as a province rather than a nation, it is not internationally denigrated for these self-absorbed riots, and for its isolationism, its indifference to the need for networking, tourism, bringing new industries to a secure and productive environment. That's all left to the federal government to do For Quebec.

Therefore, Quebec is protected from accountability for its ideology, its behaviour, its beliefs.

ET, (warning: corny metaphor alert)

But now is the chance to call Justin Trudeau's bluff -- let him "start a new country" in Quebec.

Let them have their beloved revolution, and after the experiment fails I predict that Quebec will come home again ready to be mature responsible adults. We can bury Trudeaupia in this country forever in the coffin of Quebec's NDP, and neither will survive.

It's called "killing two birdbrains with one stone".

ET, "The problem, ricardo, with your excellent suggestion that Quebec be allowed to implode is that, unfortunately for Canada, Quebec exists in a fireproof cocoon.

That cocoon is Canada."

ET and ricardo have both made an excellent discussion about this dilemma of Quebec. The ROC has catered to Quebec for many decades and many people are becoming sick of it. The people of Ontario will eventually dump the incompetent McGuinty government.

I have just a simple comment about this Quebec problem. It might be worth the short term pain to have Quebec implode and leave. Slovakia and the Czech Republic seem to managing, as do the countries that made up the former Yugoslavia.

The bonus would be getting rid of Trudeau and Mulcair.

If you gave them two guns, would they shoot thmselves in both feet?

I used to read the NYT .. not for a long time now.

So, aging Marxist professors continue their desperate battle with reality. Hey, guys, communism collapsed in communist countries 25 years ago.

Ken (Kulak) at May 24, 2012 7:50 PM

No it doesn't. CBC-type commentators say that Harper had better watch out because he is ignoring/losing Quebec. News to CBC: Harper got, whot? one seat in PQ?

It IS possible to get a majority government sans Quebec; and with the creation of 30 new seats, mostly in the West (wait for Mulclair to demand an end to representation by poulation), Quebec becomes even less important.

It is not at all surprising that two Marxist professors from the University of Montreal would write this crap. They are totally true to form and our expectations.

It's a little disappointing, but not surprising, that the NYT would print this without some fact checking.

Had they published the current level of fees tuition in Quebec, this would have made the humour columns.

It is not at all surprising that two Marxist professors from the University of Montreal would write this crap. They are totally true to form and our expectations.

It's a little disappointing, but not surprising, that the NYT would print this without some fact checking.

Had they published the current level of fees tuition in Quebec, this would have made the humour columns.

Those college students in Quebec pay less in tuition than most college students pay for parking.

Also, most of the protesters are NOT students.

The commie profs and their fellows from Quebec are the root cause of the situation and any decent journalist would ask them if they are proud of their achievement.

A few facts that ... so far ... none of the MSMers have noted.

US municipalities generally require permits and approved routes for parades on streets.
The ACLU does not appear to view these regulations as oppressive.

http://www.nyclu.org/content/know-your-rights-demonstrating-new-york-city
http://www.nyclu.org/regions/central-new-york/central_demonstrating_rights

Just unbelievable.

Let these professors live by their words and work for free.

The only thing the New York Times is fit for is lining a birdcage.