Operation Starve The Beast

A good reason why the CBC should be defunded, I guess. Nobody is willing to actually *pay* for the CBC, so in the real world it would not be produced, and the NDP would lose a billion-dollar campaign headstart.

Ironically, I bet this Dan Gardner character -- whoever he is -- probably works for a newspaper that is losing money. And far too many journalists are incapable of defining "real journalism". The CBC doesn't report the news.. it manufactures it.

So, when is the real journalism going to begin in the MSM?

Perfect heading for your post Kate. Loved it.

I heard the Globe and Mail is going to start charging for their on-line content in the fall. Ha ha ha ha ha! Good luck with that. Charging a customer assumes you actually have something worth charging them for.

Dan should wake up. It's 2012 and we have lots of free "real journalism" on the Internet. There are also a few sites worth paying a monthly pittance for, such as PJTV.

I certainly wouldn't pay one thin dime for Dan Gardner's opinions.

Next thing you know the G&M will be sneaking organ donor consent into their Terms of Use Agreement for comments.

Welcome to the desert of the real.

Next time I'll take the blue pill so my steak will be juicy and delicious.

Dan Garder works for the Ottawa Citizen who made this small announcement yesterday:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Citizen+Sunday+paper+newsroom+jobs/6691665/story.html

Also affected are the Calgary Herald and Edmonton Journal.

They aren't producing anything worth advertisers' dollars (or readers' interest). Real journalism in action...

Does Dan Gardner moonlight as a Sears catalogue male model?

Dan Gardner is a great self-regarder who speaks to his readership as if they were morons, incapable of reaching any understanding without his divine help. The sarcasm of his second sentence is typical Gardner style. Starving the Citizen would be a worthwhile venture if it didn't also carry the wisdom of David Warren.

I thought all these lefties believed everything should be free? I like the part of his comment about the "sense of entitlement". Just because you have a job...doesn't mean you're entitled to keep it(especially if your company isn't producing something people want to pay for). Independent, right-wing Bloggers rule.

"notwithstanding your sense of entitlement."

This pompous ass has created quite the bubble for himself, apparently assuming that comments about this change indicate entitlement and demand for the product. Nope. There may be people like that, but most people are just saying good luck and good bye.
I follow several papers which have done this and then switched back, can't even keep track. If it's there, I read it, if not, well, who cares?
Saddest of all, I spent about a decade in that trade.

"Real journalism costs money."

Right. That's why Matt Drudge, who doesn't charge for access to his site, broke the Clinton-Lewinsky story (while "real journalists" studiously ignored it), why The National Enquirer, which no "real journalist" would say practices "real journalism", broke the John Edwards-Rielle Hunter story (while the "real journalists" who knew about it kept their smug little mouths shut), and why James O'Keefe, and not any "real journalists", broke stories about Planned Parenthood employees falsifying birth dates, and ACORN employees agreeing to aid and abet child prostitution, human smuggling, and tax evasion.

The fact that no "real journalists" were interested enough in any of those things to do stories on them is why I don't buy a newspaper, have a television, or listen to news on the radio.

Start doing journalism as good as was done in those examples and I'll pay for it.

Kathy Shaidle at 6:49 AM

and U model in the children section??

"Once again people, the propaganda we know you need costs money to produce. God help us if we have to get a real job producing something that individuals find improves their daily lives in some small way."

He is a poster boy for why journalism is a failing industry.

Look in the mirror, Danny Boy, you are the failure.

But look on the bright side, it isn't difficult to learn how to ask customers if they want fries with their order.

Journalism died when they stopped reporting and started advocating.

Get out there and sell more advertising, Gardner, that's where the real money is, advertising made Opra a billionaire, got Charlie Sheen a million bucks per 20-min episode, look what a Superbowl 30-sec spot costs... every time I buy a kilo of Kraft PB, or buy pretty much anything, I'm kicking a handful of coins into an advertising budget. I don't see what your problem is.

What was presumed the businesses of news, entertainment, and information, is actually the business of advertising.
Whether that advert was for a product or a political ideology, the fact remains these perveyors of the ads have done so under the premise that they would get remuneration. This arrangement could be maintained due to the fact that they maintained a monopoly on the transmission of the adverts.
Now that the great mass not only has a plethora of choices through which these "messages" can be distributed, but also through the internet the ability not to have to depend on the established networks, publishers, and broadcasters to get out their message, the authority to extort a maximum fee for "service" is dependant on results.
Btw
SDA gets results.

What was presumed the businesses of news, entertainment, and information, is actually the business of advertising.
Whether that advert was for a product or a political ideology, the fact remains these perveyors of the ads have done so under the premise that they would get remuneration. This arrangement could be maintained due to the fact that they maintained a monopoly on the transmission of the adverts.
Now that the great mass not only has a plethora of choices through which these "messages" can be distributed, but also through the internet the ability not to have to depend on the established networks, publishers, and broadcasters to get out their message, the authority to extort a maximum fee for "service" is dependant on results.
Btw
SDA gets results.

If Canada's newspapers start charging for on-line access,how will we ever find out every transgression,real or not, that the evil Harper gang are up to?
There is a case that can be made for charging for your product. However,I don't see much of a market for most 'real;' journalism in this country.

Norman nails it, May 29, 2012 8:36 AM.

The death knell sounded for journalism the moment j-schools changed their motto and raison d'etre from objective, fact-based reporting to the construction of narratives (op-ed) with an eye to affecting politics.

As Norman and Mark have said,today's crop want to 'make a difference',the journalism part is secondary. There was a study done on this very subject.

BTW,I'll bet it takes time,money,and skill to put together a really good blog. There should be something like a tip jar around this place.

Norman and Mark, excellent points.

However I would argue that "journalism" has -always- been a lot more carnival than art museum in its makeup. When things really started to go south for us readers was when the journos began pretending to be "objective".

Bias is essentially inescapable, and newspapers used to have their editorial bias stated right at the top of the page in the title banner. What changed is they started lying about it and playing make believe that they didn't have a bias.

All most of us do in blogs these days is point at guys like Dan Gardner and yell "BIAS!!!" while he's pretending to be all high falutin' and above the fray.

On toward bankruptcy Dan! Faster, faster!

"Journalism died when they stopped reporting and started advocating. " Norman, good point.

I can remember when I was young, about 12 years old, coughing up the money to buy the Sunday New York times. I thought I was being very mature, and that reading the Times would make me more worldly.

I still remember my total surprise at how biased almost every article was. "This is the supposed great New York Times?" I thought to myself. Also in those days all you could do was listen to the opinions of the opinionated. There was no Internet, so no way to challenge anything they said.

So I feel no sympathy for pompous newspaper writers who think it is our role to pay good money to listen to a one way conversation in which they dump on us their persistent left-wing views.

The "journalist" sez, "real journalism costs money".

Isn't it interesting that the "journalist" does not recognize irony whereof he writes?

One suspects that if real journalism was actually happening, the real journalists would be happy to do real journalism, money being the icing on the cake.

These self-serving characters don't recognize that respect is earned by actual hard work. How is, complaining that nobody wants' to read the stuff he writes, going to win anybody over, other than his mother.

This kind of people remind one of tight shorts pushing up certain parts of the anatomy.

"We're not worthy"... Wayne and Garth.

I'm sure Dan Gardner only wants the 1 percenters to pay!!! Isn't that a business model that works?? OH WAIT A MINUTE!

Real urnalism cost money, really what donations to their beloved liberal party?? If I want to read real news I check out blogs, if I want to read hysterical leftwing drivel I'll read the liberal media's mewlings.

The most important stories I remember reading online...

- The Mosqueteria
- Climate Gate
- The bad math behind Mann's hockey stick
- The 'disappearing' of thermometers worldwide
- Obama wokking his dog
- Brett Kimberlin
- Elizabeth Warren's heritage

Every one of these stories was broken in the blogosphere first, occasionally (grudgingly) picked up by the LSM, and almost always without acknowledging the blogger who originally researched and uncovered the story.

REAL journalism does cost money. Bloggers like BCF, Steve McIntyre, Anthony Watts, et al., have bills to pay. THEY are the ones doing the REAL work, so please show your appreciation by hitting their tip jars if you're able, and clicking any ads that appear on their pages if you're in my current financial fix. (Most ads pay per click - so please click, view the ad, and consider purchasing the product if it's a good fit for you.)

I'm still getting a chuckle from the realization that Dan Gardner considers himself a real journalist.

Did this guy ever consider that most people don't think what he produces is worth anything? Imagine the head explosion when he does. Wha???? You mean people don't give two craps what I write about???? Yeah Dan that's right.

They say in the investment biz that the four most expensive words in the English language are: "It's Different This Time".
In journalism, evidently, the three most expensive words are: "Make A Difference".

You really have to laugh at the pompous naivety of such a plea: "you must smarten up and pay for things that you don't realize are really good for you". Eat your broccoli stands up much better.

Real journalism costs money? Does it now? So why haven't the bloggers who've been doing your job of investigating for years now gotten a red cent out of you? It doesn't take money. It takes time, effort, dedication, and courage---something money can't possibly buy.

What? The elites who paid you handsomely to recycle their press releases all these years (and paid the Liberal Party handsomely to do their bidding in Ottawa) aren't delivering any more? Well, of course not! Thanks to the internet, which has reduced the cost of a printing press to near zero, people can see plain as day that the only sections of mainstream papers that aren't a pack of lies are the sports sections, and sports results can be easily found online. Nobody takes you seriously any more.

The Queen's enemies know this, and have changed strategies, replacing the Grits with the NDP and you with viral marketing campaigns. (People still believe what they see online!) The sooner you figure out you have had your reward, the better off you'll be.

Who knows? Maybe losing all your vanities will finally convince you to repent, accept Christ, make amends for being a professional liar, be forgiven, and die at rights with God.

Not that I'm holding my breath.

Back in the day, there was the argument about "real" Hip Hop verses commercial Hip Hop, bringing-up the argument of WHAT was "real" and WHAT wasn't. The fact is, those that were claiming "real" were typically those that were not selling records; and they used it as a way to justify their lack of sales, and to disparage those who were successful.

20 some years later, the discussion is moot, and those that survived are those that were able to market their music(real or not). There are those on the fringe, that still argue the "realness" of their music, but as always, simply to validate themselves and explain their lack of mass appeal.

I find it humorous that the media is engaging in this mirror-image discussion. Perhaps an East coast vs. West coast media battle is in order.

"N1gga you broke, what the F%$& you gonna tell me?" - Jay-Z

OMG Rose

Urnalists!!

I literally SNORTED when I read that. Did you make that up?

This short article is worth reading.

Roger Ailes Tells Journalism Students To Go Into It For The Right Reasons.

"Journalism used to be about telling the story"

http://www.science20.com/cool-links/roger_ailes_tells_journalism_students_go_it_right_reasons-88965

BTW,Roger Ailes is akin to Ted Turner before he became fond of Fonda.

Wow! What a fab source of intelligent comments. I read thru the first 20 or so and they are bang on the money. Bookmarked for later going thru each and evry post.
I once counted Dan Gardner's posts and they come to about 25-30 a day..and as many say he has a holier than Thou sound to most.
Like we would die in ignorance without his Divine Clarification.
I have a huge folder of newspaper URL's from many world papers.
Why on earth wld I WASTE $ on hard copy full of ads and sections I hate?
Pontifical Journalists need to get REAL..we dont need your self-created writer Speak to follow what we care about..

and Dan G. is that your foot you bit off that was just delivered to the CPC office?

On behalf of the rest of the regulars and at the risk of preempting our hostess, welcome here. We do not always agree on some issues, but by and large we are libertarian conservative. Some put more emphasis on social conservatism than others.

Sean, I honestly didn"t know some of the ads worked that way. I will endevor to do that more often. Thanks.

The new generations will never pay for print news. I know I haven't, only my foxnews subscription, and my cbc/ctv taxes.

Loved that Ken (Kulak).

"Once again, people, real journalism costs money."

And that's why Kate has an ad for Mattress Mattress on the sidebar. Dumbass.

Speaking of ads, I try never to fail clicking on left wing ads when they appear on real world sites like SDA. If Al Gore has 300 million dollars to spend on CAGW propaganda, well, that money is better placed in Kate's pocket, for instance, or Lubos's. I know it is against the terms for bloggers to recommend ad clicking, but it doesn't cost much time, and I get a special pleasure out of passing money from the wrong hands to the right ones.

Gardner does have a point - although he probably wouldn't like to concede it.

Sadly, most of our modern 'journalists' (including Gardner)just regurgitate press releases - which doesn't take much time or money ....or curiosity, ambition or intellect.

Well, at least if the Citizen goes down, it'll take that vitriolic Susan Riley with it.....