Liberté, Égalité, Fraternite…

Breaking windows and burning stuff is not an opinion...

and the use of force/intimidation by the small group of entitled babies against students who use their own brains and CHOOSE (something called freedom)to attend classes is what, Ms Marois? ENGAGE IN GROUPTHINK OR ELSE! - hey, that's a great election slogan fer ya, ya twit, eh?

Indeed, sasquatch. If a bunch of us smashed the windows and destroyed the property/ houses/apartments of the protesters, and then said "Hey, we are merely voicing our opposition to the decisions of the various student organizations", I'm guessing it wouldn't be deemed a reasonable argument. And our actions might even be deemed a crime of some sort for which we could be arrested.

Dissent/protest/riots in Quebec?

Shrug.

Any chance there is a HUGE San Andreas-like fault between ON and PQ and another along the eastern border of PQ?

I am just fed up. Let PQ go.

EBD is so right, as is sasquatch. I can imagine if I made a placard and marched downtown Lethbridge, Alberta smashing windows. And maybe standing up or challenging a policeman. One move of aggression and they offer me their best "double tap." The least that would happen is I'd be arrested, pay restitution and maybe even do some time in Bowden or PA. These snots will get away with no penalties.

I hope corporate Canada has a lot of the main protestor photos on file in their HR departments...and check them against the faces of interviewees looking for jobs when they graduate with their BAs some wussy disciplines no one cares about.

And worst of all this. What are decent young people in other provinces to think of this? Doing nothing and NOT knocking a few heads is a detriment to the peace in the entire country.

Just let 'em go.

But EBD, you wouldn't be smashing or destroying the property/ houses/apartments of the protesters. You would be smashing or destroying the property/ houses/apartments of the protester's parents, friends, or public subsidized housing. People like this don't work so don't havee much in the way of their own property. Maybe if they actually had a stake in society and paid taxes, owned property, and weren't brainwashed they wouldn't be so quick to damage the property of others.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

The Unions and their official Party the commie NDP are behind the protest and the students are receiving money from them to keep it going. In case nobody noticed, Sid Ryan travelled to Montreal to appropriate the protest for their own interests just as he did with the OWS and G-20 protests in Ontario. And we should remember that during the G-20 Sid and his Union members allowed the violent Black Block people in masks to march shoulder to shoulder with the Unionists (I also don't think it was concidence that the NDP was holding its convention in Vancouver a couple blocks down the street from the "hockey" riot when it broke out "spontaneously" there last year).

What intrigues me about the tactics of the violent protestors is that they are identical to the tactics of urban guerrilla warfare that I witnessed in El Salvador many years ago. The quick-change, the disguises, and the use of civilians as human shields (e.g. the peaceful protestors) are well-established urban guerrilla warfare tactics. The only difference is that in El Salvador the guerrillas used guns and grenades instead of rocks and bottles. But the tactics in an urban environment and the militant discipline appear identical. So who trains these people?

Don't forget that the NDP and Canadian Unions supported the Left guerrilla war in places such as El Salvador. And the Trudeau Liberals have at least facilitated Communist connections in Canada, especially in Quebec:
PET felt obligated to make friends with Castro in order to mitigate Castro's support for FLQ terrorists during the 1970 October crisis.

Interestingly, the Cubans established their embassy in Montreal, rather than Ottawa or Toronto, and the majority of Canadian tourism to Cuba originates in Quebec. The Commies have always calculated (accurately) that if revolution were possible in Canada, Quebec would be the most fertile ground to exploit. Given the conditions, the possibilities for recruitment in Quebec are endless.

Ah Quebec . . . So progressive, so socially aware, so like Europe.

So much going on that the rest of the country can be proud of.

Because leadership is tough

Ricardo,yes.

The 'protests' have morphed from tuition to every social 'injustice'.

I strongly suspect that the tuition revolt was quickly sized up,and exploited.

I do believe that it will not work this time,but this is an incremental operation. It is akin to throwing mud at the opposing party,some good mud sticks and will do damage,the other pieces that slide off still leave a stain.

The stains eventually make the garment unwearable,and a change is made. The new clothes are brighter,are worn with pride,but like a whore's kiss,they fade quickly in the morning.

You gotta just know that Spider Eyes Mulch-hair and Charest are just praying that the feds step in. Then they can moan and pi$$ about the over reaction by Harper and how they'd have dealt with it much better. Wait and see,the unions will ramp up the violence trying to get this reaction so they can daub shit on the PM. Personally I really see no downside to this nonsense for normal Canadians, its best likened to a cannibalistic lefty feeding frenzy, with the liberals fighting the NDBloc and the unions, I'd be tempted to buy a drum of popcorn, and watch.

heh! robins111 - hilarious.

getcha popcorn ready.

I love it when liberals tolerate themselves into a corner. Conservatism to the contrary, can be defined by it's aversion to that very same corner. That's kinda the reason we're not too keen on typically soft headed liberal ideas and fluffy paradigms. That's why were are intolerant of so called liberal leadership. They can't pay for all the fluff and manage the chaotic entitlement driven society they create at the same time.

Until then It is enjoyable to watch the snake eat its own tail while criticizing itself for doing so for the wrong reasons. Chomp chomp disgorge, chomp chomp disgorge. This is their concept, sustainability. Then... necrosis. Perhaps it's time for Canada to cut the tail or perhaps the electorate will disinfect.

The tribalism, entitlement, and cultural marxist indoctrination of young minds has been going on in that diseased Province for decades. Levesque, Trudeau, Bourassa, Duceppe, etc. etc. it doesn't matter whether they are labeled "Federalist" or "Separatist" they all work for the same tribal goal. Manufacturing a sense of "crisis" to get what they want, while Canada pays the price. It's been going on my whole life and I'm sick of it! When will Canada grow a pair and declare enough is enough. How long will we be led to believe that destroying our country and distorting our institutions and traditions will somehow pacify these tribal malcontents? 1.3 trillion taxpayer dollars flushed down the "bilingual" tribal toilet, 10's of billions in "equalization" and for what? The worst is yet to come. When will Canadians reject the premise that we must cater to this tribal lunacy or else?! Enough is enough! http:www.gopetition.com/petitions/stop-the-official-languages-policy-in-canada.html

These riots will be famous someday, not for the actions they have taken but it would have been the catalyst for the ROC ( Rest of Canada) to final hold a referendum on kicking Quebec out of Canada. We should also reject the offer by the Quebec Cree to stay within Canada as over time they will become more militant than Quebecers. Let Quebec discuss with the Cree the terms of agreement to stay in Quebec or to become a free country.

This is a win win situation for Canada. We should be cheering for the students everytime they riot......

sasquatch says it well. The anarchists took the initiative away from the radical students and now the serious people like Sid Ryan are feeding the riots.

ricardo, "The Unions and their official Party the commie NDP are behind the protest and the students are receiving money from them to keep it going. In case nobody noticed, Sid Ryan travelled to Montreal to appropriate the protest for their own interests just as he did with the OWS and G-20 protests in Ontario."

These are the normal methods of the Bolsheviks and have been honed over the last ninety-five years.

"PQ Leader Pauline Marois said, calling it the worst social crisis in Quebec’s history."

I doubt it'll be the last, the worst social crisis to come is going to be when the ROC stop spoon feeding + $8 billion each year to pay for those social programs and subsidized tuition they value so much yet aren't willing to pay for it themselves.

You're free Quebec, write your own check to cover that spending.

Marois proves that the entitlement attitude runs through Quebec's culture.

Like marc says, let's see how smart they are when other people refuse to send them more money.

Go ahead, separate.

I am getting sooo pissed-off with this crap, and it's portrayal in the media. These rioters are ignorant children (even if they are 24 years old) who have a romanticized idea of revolution, taught them by their socialist professors in state education pens.

They actually believe 1917 was great, and that Lenin was a hero (along with Che of course) ignorant of the facts of previous romantic revolutions; and that Lenin and Che were only interested in their personal power and using it.

The "students" are not seeking democracy and justice. They are demanding free money or they throw a hissy fit.

Marc in Calgary:

A free Quebec? But there are no takers. Noone wants it. :-)

I reckon Charest has an opportunity to come down tough on the demonstrators and call a quick election.

Of course, that assumes Charest has brains and can use them and has balls ...

If you look at this situation from afar, you see politicians, like worms trying to wiggle hither and yon, to pretend control, all the while having none.

Hey, if what we have now does not work, let us make more laws. As though anybody is listening... Hello...

The government of Québec lost control and is not getting it back by its own actions. The happenings that are going on is akin to a decease, it will take its course....the virus will become dormant in time..... although it will remain...... to infect at another, perhaps more opportune time.

Among other things, one important is that the students don't understand, without the hard cash from a number of other provinces, Greece would look like a luxury location to them.

Charest is not solving problems, he is trying to solve his own position of irrelevance.

Quebec, in not too distant future will be run by communists.

You read it here first.

Vibe le Quebec Libe !

English translation.

"we want a Free Quebec and demand you pay for it"

It's become a political rather than economic action in Quebec, with the PQ and their union buddies and the NDP on one side versus Charest's Liberals, and, I might add, REALITY, on the other side.

The fact that Quebecois have the lowest tuition in all of Canada, and the miniscule increases of a few hundred dollars over the next 7 years would not deny an education to one single person - is therefore not the point.

Yes, Quebecois expect full governmental support for all their daily activities. This includes anything and everything whether it's $7 a day care for their children, to low university tuition to special permits for Quebec dairy products to dominate in Canada.

Oh - and note this - to turning the government eye away from the fact that Quebec operates within a booming, massive black market economy. Quebecois will do anything to avoid taxes, but they do expect the federal government to pay up, endlessly, and subsidize just about everything. These subsidies include support for various business and other govt funded activities in Quebec, as well as the federal head offices that are located in Montreal, to employ the bloated Quebec bureaucracy.

The demand by the students for 'free education' is ignorant in the extreme. Nothing is free; they expect someone else to pay for it. Why? What also bothers me is that such a lifestyle, if implemented, means that Everyone would go to college and university (since it's free and the colleges would enroll all and any since that's how they'd get their subsidies).

So, the tax paying work force of Quebec would be reduced by this massive removal of a large segment of the population from the workforce. Who would thus be left paying for these people removed from the taxpaying workforce? The rest of Canada - where even students get jobs, pay taxes, and don't expect others to pay for their education.

Marois and the unions are trying to bring down the Charest government. BUT - there's a snag in the agenda. The Economy. The downtown Montreal economy - which is filled with slick shops, restaurants, bars - is a mess. This is tourist land, and not only Montrealers aren't coming downtown, but, the tourists aren't coming. I suspect that the downtown businesses are going to demand an end to this.

The majority of Quebecois, to my knowledge, don't support these students. It's also linguistic, as most anglophone institutions aren't involved (but in Quebec, the anglophones are considered irrelevant anyway). And the serious educational disciplines, such as law, medicine, the sciences, aren't involved.

So- my question is, why has Marois, the PQ, the NDP, the unions, resorted to riot tactics, akin to those in Europe over austerity and in the Middle East over dictators? It can't be over a few hundred dollars a year. It has to be political, and what has happened to democracy in Quebec? Do they prefer anarchy?

If you've ever gone to an all inclusive resort you've run into Quebecois and they're the rudest, most ignorant douche bags I've ever encountered. I speak their devil tongue language but I never let on whenever these twits are babbling on. Quite the eye opener.

ET, see above, I suspect the entire gaggle is just praying that the PM steps in and offers federal help, then there'll be a pile on that would be biblical. That's why Spider Eyes Mulch-hair has been silent on the issue. Essentially the smart move by Harper will be to sit and watch, and wait.. the longer he puts off any action the deeper the hole the lefties dig for themselves.

Is it wrong to enjoy the tribulations of your enemy?

I'm really enjoying this.

James...you are so dead-on.

I've seen Quebec tourists do stuff at a resort over 20 years ago that I am still in disbelief that someone could be that ignorant. And I don't think they even had a clue about how ignorant they were......truly sad.

Yep, James.

I was unfortunate enough to book a vacation in Cancun two summers ago about the same time a bunch of Quebecois were also booked into the hotel.

Arrogant and pompous does not begin to describe them.

St J Baptiste day should be interesting this year.
It's human nature to desire things and ideal situations, but that desire must be tempered by the reality of what's required to obtain your hearts desire.
The situation in Quebec is not one that just occurred this year, it's a culture thats been entrenched over three centuries. Started with the french colonial govenment using the colony of Quebec to reward the aristocracy and their hangers on, concentrating on trading furs instead of developing the land. The British after defeating the french acerbated the problem by allowing the colonial bureaucracy to remain in place rather than impress on the quebec colony english laws, language, rights, and more importantly, obligations.
Three centuries later you have a culture convinced that somebody else owes them a living, why should any of this be a surprise?
The next time this province comes insisting the rest of the country pay for it's indulgences, the fed must present a copy of the constitution to the premier and say in no uncertain terms
"That's odd, I don't seem to see a signature for Quebec here..."
Let them figure it out.

Please give me a BLOC candidate to vote for next election(Sask).

If we just stop and think for a minute it should be obvious that these "groupings" can be an opportunity to eliminate future problems from those that insist on violence

We do have advanced technology that could be used very simply & effective....

Charest buggered this up. Marois wants to capitalise on it. The students are like the Occupest (TM- BCF) crowd for whom no cause - be it tuition or the social justice of stealing stuff- is too trivial to smash stuff for.

Stop giving Quebec equalisation payments. Let it implode.

ricardo: "Interestingly, the Cubans established their embassy in Montreal, rather than Ottawa or Toronto..."

Er, no. It's at 388 Main in OTTAWA; I frequently drive past it. You're probably thinking of their consulate.

Oh, and before you make a big noise about them having an office in Montréal, they have a consulate in Toronto as well.

It should be possible to vent energetically about the ridiculous situation in Québec without resorting to falsehoods.

"Essentially the smart move by Harper will be to sit and watch, and wait.. "

Yup. Harper has done the right thing so far: keep his mouth shut about it and do absolutely nothing. Quebec has done this entirely to itself. It has to figure out how to fix this by itself. Even if Charest were to ask Harper for assistance, Harper should tell him that he will not get involved in a strictly provincial matter. I can't think of a single thing Harper could do here that would help, and all that would happen is the spoiled brats would turn their ire on him (it's probably why Mulclair has kept quiet on it too: nothing to gain and a lot to lose).

What a spoiled rotten province the rest of us are saddled with.

"I love it when liberals tolerate themselves into a corner."
Posted by: ∞ ≠ ø at May 24, 2012 8:05 PM

That is the best discipton of a multicultural libtard ever. Well played.

JJM at May 25, 2012 9:40 said:
"ricardo: "Interestingly, the Cubans established their embassy in Montreal, rather than Ottawa or Toronto..." Er, no. It's at 388 Main in OTTAWA; I frequently drive past it. You're probably thinking of their consulate. Oh, and before you make a big noise about them having an office in Montréal, they have a consulate in Toronto as well. It should be possible to vent energetically about the ridiculous situation in Québec without resorting to falsehoods."

"Falsehoods"? Whoa, Mr. JJM! Don't get your underpants in a knot. You are obviously under the age of 30 or you would know better -- the fact is the Cuban Embassy was first established in Montreal and there was no other embassy anywhere else for many years. Consulates are different (professional spies and provocateurs usually conduct their operations out of Embassies) and Cuban Embassies elsewhere in Canada are a recent occurance. Cuban dissident organizations are also headquartered in Montreal because they know "that's where all the action is". There are also more Communist organizations in general established in Quebec than anywhere else in Canada -- this is quite easy to verify.

I was around for the 1970 October crisis. Were you? The Cuban/Commie connection in Quebec is nothing new. (For a more recent example think "Oka").