Now is the time at SDA when we juxtapose!
Citizen of France, Thomas Mulcair;
"We know that it is impossible to maintain the current manner of tarsands development without seriously affecting the health of human beings - and without destroying important ecosystems forever. He (Harper) is currently placing the largest ecological and economic debt imaginable in the backpacks of our children and grandchildren,"
Huge mining giants from Europe, China and India are pumping billions of dollars into virgin territories in far northern Quebec in a race to satisfy a growing global appetite for iron ore.
h/t Ward
Everytime I hear Mulcair (or any left-tard on ANY subject) speak about the environment, regardless if the potential policy they speak would cost jobs or not, AND speak about the need to create jobs at the same time, it makes me want to slap a left-tard right across the face. Meh, jobs........who cares about those, eh Mulcair? It isn't enough that MORE people are worried about the economy and supporting their families, along comes Captain Haddock to say "fooey" to long, sustaining employment like this. Not only is Mulcair a blithering idiot, he is dangerous.
The Lying Jackal has a piece in the Sun today wanting to know when the scary Harperites are going to attack Mulcair. The comments section is hilarious, mostly devoted to people wondering why Harper would bother taking shots at a guy who's done nothing but score on his own net since he became leader.
But don't go and read it. I just told you everything you need to know, and watching the Jackal starve for web page hits will be very sweet.
Obviously this is another case of keeping the useful idiots distracted with pretty much a non-issue, while the real damage is being done to the environment elsewhere. Open pit mining is only evil if it is oil not iron ore extraction.
The new "environmentalism" is just the application of centuries-old Machiavellian sleight of hand. Keep them distracted, and rip and run when they aren't looking.
Interesting to note that the enviro-nazi's are now attacking coal mining because W Virginia coal mines are exporting to....wait for it....CHINA.
When all this is done will they remediate the land in Quebec like they do in Alberta?
Since it is Quebec you have to wonder if the purpose of the mine is to actually produce iron ore or provide a front for its more lucrative kickback and mob-linked construction industries? Maybe that is why Quebec politicians hate the Alberta oilsands - all that money changing hands with no way for a French goodfella to make a few bucks.
Second question: has Quebec figured out a way to have its mines exempted from equalization calculations. 'Cause everyone know that "sharing Canadian wealth" has no French to English translation.
It doesn't really matter if Quebec is exempted from equalization for their mining ventures as they hve never been a have province so they still get their 8.7 Billion...yes folks that is 8.7 billion each year for being a have not province.
Mr.Harper get rid of these equalization payments. You have nothing to lose but Quebec and by the way they dont vote for you anyway. They are a bully...so if you stand up to the bully, they always come back and kiss you a-s.
It's the same with sealing. The sealers from Quebec in the gulf of St. Lawrence are ignored - they apparently react violently to Greenpeace etc. - but Anglos are softer targets.
I smell a set up for a shake down.
A few billion and maybe the problem will go away.
For now anyways.
There are no toxic compounds in any mine or open pit oil project that are as toxic as Thomas Mulcair is to this nation.
Just go to Google earth and check out the abandoned asbestos mines at Thetford, Quebec. Funny how Mr. Mulcair is impervious to asbestos particles that are being blown around on windy days. Then ceck out the open pit coal mines at Gilette, Wyoming, and tell me if the Alberta Tarsands are really all that "dirty." I guess Obama must've overlooked those pits on the way to the forum!
"It doesn't really matter if Quebec is exempted from equalization for their mining ventures as they hve never been a have province so they still get their 8.7 Billion...yes folks that is 8.7 billion each year for being a have not province."
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Uhhh, no.
You don't seem to know much about Eq payments.
Eq payments change every year.
As a have not (horribly misleading simpletonesque name) province becomes a have province, the Eq payments go down.
Case in point: Nfld.
Quebec is slated to receive 7.3 billion this year.
What is this 8.7 billion number?
Iron? All Jack! got was wood.
So Coffee Table ..you dump on me because I am out a billion......7.3 is still a good figure.
Quebec has never been a have province so they will always get equalization payments. By the way, Quebec's revenue from hydro, which is huge, is exempt from equalization formula.
I was under the impression that have provinces get ZERO money for equalization if they become a have province.
FRENCH citizen Mulcair doesn't know whether his arse is punched....or bored.
QAuestion we should be pounding the ndp and their eco friendly people:
How is it that they don't prove their point by doing exactly just that. DO NOT USE OIL OR GAS on anything for anything.
Surely, if you want to stop a certain product say ice cream, be the first to prove that you have nothing to do with ice cream right?and of course the more people do not buy ice cream from anywhere ice cream become irrelevant and off the market.
The same goes for oil and gas, and businesses that work in oilsands etc that produces oil etc,
show exactly that they don't want the oil and gas by not buying it using it or wearing it or travel on planes that use oil and gas. Shut all incoming tankards bearing oil.
NS is drilling for gas and oil, shut that down as well.
Then when the entire public that have nothing to do with oil and gas, maybe just maybe the ndp will get their wish of NO OIL PRODUCT period.
It is time that we put the NDP to the task, by that I mean, be they the first to: walk eat wear or have anything that has NO OIL NO GAS IN ANYTHING.
QAuestion we should be pounding the ndp and their eco friendly people:
How is it that they don't prove their point by doing exactly just that. DO NOT USE OIL OR GAS on anything for anything.
Surely, if you want to stop a certain product say ice cream, be the first to prove that you have nothing to do with ice cream right?and of course the more people do not buy ice cream from anywhere ice cream become irrelevant and off the market.
The same goes for oil and gas, and businesses that work in oilsands etc that produces oil etc,
show exactly that they don't want the oil and gas by not buying it using it or wearing it or travel on planes that use oil and gas. Shut all incoming tankards bearing oil.
NS is drilling for gas and oil, shut that down as well.
Then when the entire public that have nothing to do with oil and gas, maybe just maybe the ndp will get their wish of NO OIL PRODUCT period.
It is time that we put the NDP to the task, by that I mean, be they the first to: walk eat wear or have anything that has NO OIL NO GAS IN ANYTHING.
My question about equalization is only partly snark. In the complex formula that governs equalization calculation there are, of course, exemptions: Quebec/Man hydro, Sask Potash(?), 5O% of non-renewable resources, etc.. But, I remember reading somewhere about provincial Crown Corps being exempt as well. When Plan Nord appeared with Quebec as a majority shareholder my cynicism immediately kicked in and I wondered if it was about socialism or manipulating the equalization game. I am not sure if this is accurate since I am unfamiliar with equalization minutiae.
Mike, wasn't dumping, just pointing out.
Nfld was at the Eq teat forever. Not anymore.
The problem is it's a per capita thing. PEI being a have not - whoopee do - 150,000 people getting whatever. Quebec with 8 million, that adds up.
Ontario is getting Eq payments this year for the first time ever. In fact, Ontario got f*cked in '78 when it actually qualified for an Eq payment and everybody crybabied that that wasn't fair. The crybabies won.
And actually, back in 2004, suddenly liquid Nfld negotiated a deal to keep 100% of its natural resource revenue. Eq payments for decades on the shoulders of the have provinces, then once they became a have, didn't want to share. Ungrateful b*stards, eh.
I'm trying to find confirmation of PQ's hydro revenues being exempt. Haven't found it.
Mulcair issues two budget messages: one to Quebecers, one to Canadians
Joan Bryden, Friday, March 30, 2012 7:51 PM
http://www.globalmontreal.com/mulcair+issues+two+budget+messages+one+to+quebecers+one+to+canadians/6442611238/story.html
1. That Mulcair would use the term "tar sands" rather than "oil sands" clearly demonstrates his stand.
2. Petroleum is absolutely crucial to far more than just topping up the tank on your new Prius. Most people are utterly clueless about the number of everyday products that depend on petroleum and petroleum by-products for their manufacture.
Why yes coffee table Que is always there with their hand out because they are unable to care for them selves. They know if they cry for themselves the ROC will give them money to keep them happy. Que is a group of people that has never learned to feed them selves. They can only live off other people. There is a name for that, is it parasite? Will if the shoe fits. It's not French or English, it's just lazy people who have learned that if you cry other people will pay your way.
Some news came out today that Stephan Dion was pushed by some handlers to play the same Central vs. Western Canada game. He resisted the impulse, said it was too devisive.
Credit where credit is due on that one, Dion probably could have done much better with a little West baiting, but had more scruples than that. He would have been a disaster as PM, but not nearly the same level of disaster as Mulcair. Mulcair has no real set of beliefs beyond his own crass desire to get elected no matter what it takes. If he gets in, we're in for one hell of a rough ride.
a@c
The they're-all-mooches spitball you're throwing at Quebec is a wee bit underinformed.
But we can all reasonably assume you have the same venom for all provinces who receive Eq payments, correct?
The NDP have repeatedly said that they are going to 'shut down' the oilsands where thousands of canadians from across this country work.
Think very carefully of that one.
Yet on the same breath, the NDP scream daily daily that there are no 'jobs no jobs' how dare the government cut jobs...blah blah blah.
The media is well, out to lunch, I hoped they walked and not take or use anything that has a drop a oil in it. Wsit a minute that is everything.
Obama panderingly said he'd shut Gitmo.
Same deal with Beardy Mully and the tar/oil/dirty sands.
Coffee table No most try but not Que. they only leach on the ROC. They have never tried.
a@c
Most try? - great - name the other provinces that don't try.
Your sweeping statement about 8 million people is fairly ludicrous.
Coffee table:I will say this slow because you must be from Que. All others try. Only Que sits back with their hands out. Just look at history. If you are from Que get off your lazy ass and get a job like the rest of us.
Coffee Table...NFLD did negotiate with Pearson and when Harper got it he partially canceled it and the oil revenues became a part of the payments to equalization. That is why in this last election in NFLD saw Harper not win any seats on the island and one in Labrador.
As a matter of fact the vast majority of monies spend to make Quebec a major hydro produces was paid for by Ottawa.
I just can't understand why Quebec were never a have province. I think these social programs and the type of politicians they elect may be a clue to their lack of reaching this goal.
a@c
With each of your posts it's becoming increasingly clear your worldview is based on some kind of fuzzy baseless talking points or political urban-legend-style campfire stories - in other words, not much.
Are you suggesting Quebec's unemployment rate is abnormally high in relation to the ROC or something?
You do realize Eq payments were put in place to help the flailing Atlantic provinces, right?
How do you feel about Nfld holding Canada hostage for its natural resources revenue?
You at 2:04 PM Most try
Me at 2:11 PM: Which ones don't try
You at 2:30 PM: All others try
Don't come at me with your lame banter when you type stuff in and then refuse to acknowledge it 26 minutes later.
Coffee Table: Eq was but in to help those over a hard point not live off. But Que has lived off them ever since. And they will, always will. People in Que. can't care for themselves and that is life. It's like the 30 year old in the house. Its time to kick him out and get the key back. Time for Que to put up or shut up. What a bunch of users they are.
The picture is a lie that's actually a pic of the "tar sands". Mining iron ore in quebec is environmentally safe. It's extracted from the ground directly into bars of refined iron by magic NDP pixie dust.
What a hypocrite Mulcair is...but then we've already figured out the true reason for dear old Tom's verbal diarrhea against the west.........I believe it's the new variation of the old Socialist rant, "class warfare".
Didn't Lucien Bouchard have some harsh words of advice for Quebec about working harder and more productively? There is a link to the manifesto found here:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/02/08/lorne-gunter-quebec-to-blame-for-its-own-declining-prosperity/
"According to the HEC study, over a 31-year period from 1978 to 2009, every region of Canada gained on income against Quebec. Why? Mr. Coiteux explained that “proportionately, fewer Quebecers work [than other Canadians]. They work fewer hours on average. And they earn an hourly pay that’s lower than that of most other Canadians.”
...Undoubtedly, though, Quebec’s political class will use the HEC figures to claim Ottawa is being too stingy with the province. They will insist the province’s declining economic strength is proof the feds have discriminated against Quebec and will demand much more money. They will look at the growing success of Western Canada and demand Ottawa tax away that region’s prosperity and use the revenue to make up for the neglect Quebec has supposedly been subjected to. In this, the provincial politicians will undoubtedly be joined by Quebec’s NDP caucus in Ottawa."
The last paragraph was a pretty good prediction, don't you think?
a@c yeah the entire province is colluding to keep their per capita GDP and productivity at just the right level so they get an enormous eq payment. Everybody is closely monitoring other provinces' economic performance and then they create or don't create jobs accordingly. They're oh so sneaky and Dr. Evil genius!
LC Bennett at May 15, 2012 3:13 PM: Thank you.
The only reason Mulcair does not like the oil sands is because it is not Kommissars that are managing the production.
Interesting that the article refers to 'the virgin north' and implies that there is no easy way to get to the minesite. "Lac Otelnuk, some 750 kilometers (465 miles) north of the nearest town Sept-Iles, in a place inaccessible by road." Of course, Lac Otelnuk is actually not too far north of Schefferville the terminus of the 'Quebec North Shore and Labrador Railway' (from memory...could be a little off on that). That railway runs from Sept Iles to Schefferville and passes through Wabush along the way. Mont-Wright is just west of Wabush. All of these mine-sites are along the same geological stratum and the railway was built (late 50's? early 60's?) to serve the mines.
Quebec is a waste for the rest of Canada, Affirmative Action programs and welfare hasn't helped them any more than it's helped the black communities.
We should have let Quebec separate when we had the chance. The US should have repatriated the blacks to Africa as Abe Lincoln tried to do after the civil war.
We all pay the greater price now.
' All others try. Only Que sits back with their hands out. Just look at history. If you are from Que get off your lazy ass and get a job like the rest of us.'
Posted by: a@c at May 15, 2012 2:30 PM
Well said a@c and Mike M. you are absolutely correct about the hydro in Que, further, with the help of some Liberano PM Quebec appropriated the hydro power from the owner; NFLD. The Quebec outfit get the hydro for 1960 prices and sell the power to the states at 2012 prices. NFLD has not forgotten and the rest of us should not forget either.
I think that the ROC should call Que. Iron mines 'toxic ore pits' every single time we mention them and demand that they inspect every single knat that lands in the region for contamination.
Yes Kate and you will never hear any of this on CBC or in Ottawa. You may also want to read this article. In this article it explains how the UN's IPCC stated that Quebec's Hydro Production produces more co2 and Methane than all of the Coal Generated power plants in Canada. Why is this not shut down now. All the Hydro Projects in Canada have to be shut down now. MULEHIDE the NDP Chief needs to get busy and get all of Quebec's Hydro shut down now. I demand it, I'm from the West and demand Quebec be shutdown. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7046
Didn't Quebec revive the asbestos industry whilst he was "Enviromental Minister"?
probably the most devious and divisive political personage in recent history and CBCpravda doesnt give him any ink . even Stephane Dion has stepped up into this whilst Boob Rae fiddles .
Since it is Quebec you have to wonder if the purpose of the mine is to actually produce iron ore or provide a front for its more lucrative kickback and mob-linked construction industries?
Oh, the natural resources of Rupert's Land are as real in the part cursed with Frenchmen as the parts without them.
The separatists' plan for "sovereign" Quebec's economic survival---to the extent they had a plan at all beyond slaughtering every Protestant and Jew in Lower Canada and confiscating their assets---depended on the English (never mind the local Indians) being daft enough and gutless enough to let the separatists walk off with "Nouveau-Québec" and all the resources there without a fight.
The Labrador Trough is massive, and there are many open pit mines on it today (near lakes), and there is going to be significantly more development.
Ft. Mac really pales in comparison.
http://www.zone-resources.com/image/j2kserv.jpg
The real French don't even like Quebecers so we can't ship them back anymore, like they did with many of the US blacks to Liberia.
The only solution is to build a North/South Korean style border with lots of landmines and other things that would cause them to WORK their way though.
Jeez...
Is there any chance that the Quebec construction holiday affects their GDP? In typical Euro-weenie style they shut down the entire province for the 2 weeks in July EVERY year and go on holiday.
Does the ROC have that luxury?
Speaking of "culture wars" and wasting 100's of billions to keep the "special" tribe happy... http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/stop-the-official-languages-policy-in-canada-html
If the oil sands were in Quebec, no doubt Malcare would be demanding that
Ottawa provide tax money for a separatista government to develop them.
He would also likely insist on banning any competing imported oil from being landed in Canada.
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From now on, I'm calling it Tar Sands. It's harder to turn a description into a pejorative, if we embrace it. I'm proud of the tar sands. I support the development of the tar sands. I believe we need to ship tar sand products to Asian customers. Tar sands are a gift from God, in our time of need. God bless the tar sands.