Today’s Observer’s editorial is concerned, very concerned…
Only radical action will begin to win the challenge of obesity.
…and swollen with the usual urges:
If the answers, whatever they are, involve challenging corporate power and practices, legislating to improve the content of food or even limiting individuals’ freedom to consume junk, then so be it.
Or you know, the challenged-by-obesity folks could simply join we intolerant gun tottin' conservatives and finally show them what "radical action" really looks like.
Legalize DRUGS!
But f*ck you if you want to eat French Fries or salt!
Pedophiles and other violent criminals on the streets, Yes. Gun to protect yourself from them, no.
Ya think they might want to start with Michael Moore, or Rosie O'Donnell, or Roseanne Barr? Surely as Leftist fellow travelers, they cannot be opposed to these good intentions...
Was it Buckley who said a liberal is a man who will reach in and adjust the temperature of your shower?
They have invaded every facet of our lives. In Victoria BC in 2015 it will be illegal to throw out food scraps. It is already illegal to "idle" your car for more than 3 minutes subject to $100 fine for the first offence up to $500 after the third. People are actually applauding these measures until of course the garbage inspector finds that apple core in their trash and then they bitch on the news about it. We have to roll back this terrorist insurgency.
So James, are you ready to deal with those REALLY responsible for the problem? Or do you actually believe it will be the "do-gooders" who will force you to pay those fines or go to jail?
Until Mere Citizens are willing to identify those doing the actual damage and deal with them appropriately, nothing will change for the better...
James >
I'm looking forward to seeing them try and bust any of the Third Worlder's that they are bringing in wholesale.
Yup they minute they land on Canadian soil they will forget a lifetime of culture and habit, like in Mexico or India where it is basically a cultural norm to throw your garbage over the fence into the streets.
The biggest problem for the Liberal left is that they encourage the third world immigrants not to change on one hand, but expect them to follow their pet peeve rules on the other.
They will have to wrest my Cheezies from my lifeless fingers.
The answer is Soylent Green, Soylent Green I tell you then the fat will be the most valuable commodity on the planet.
Ah yes, the soviet mentality is alive and well.
maybe we need to tar and feather some of these nut cases, lets start with Sooozookey, and then work our way up from there:-)))
This obese man already has guns. There comes a time...
Once they found they could remove one freedom with approval by majority or lack of interest, the public sealed their own fate. Did anyone actually think it would stop there ? Professional busybodies , better known as activists will never stop trying to bring us life as they see fit. They also never quit. When they have ridden one horse into the ground they simply change horses and carry on with another cause, with full approval and often funding by the nanny state. It's always the same, "think of the children" or "look at what it costs the healthcare system". They must intervene since obviously we can't decide for ourselves what we do or don't enjoy. Tried riding a bicycle without a helmet lately ? Or buy pointy lawn darts ? Bottom line is that if you enjoy something, there are people out there that want you to STOP IT.
Another symptom of "blame someone else" syndrome.
@ robw at April 22, 2012 7:32 PM
"the fat will be the most valuable commodity on the planet."
Can see you have not read the Jeffery Dahmer cookbook. Not only do the skinny ones go first, but also taste better. As health Canada will tell you, too much fat is bad for you (to which a lot of Eskimos said WTF). The activists at PETA will confirm this. A more reliable source can simply not be found.
Ken Kulak has been warning all of us SDAers for months about this creeping Commie 'nanny state' a nanny that is anything but kind. Control is the name of the game, total control is the aim. Why would any free citizen, in his/her right mind, allow the servant of said citizen; to tell him/her what to eat?
First they came for the smokers...they succeeded, said third world immigrant folks do not smoke in public places (third world people are accustomed to being bullied, they kow tow easily), then they came for the non PC Believers Priests and Preachers(ie anti- small people killers) - they suceeded; no outrage from today's pulpits, in Canada, they came for our guns they almost suceeded (we were given a four year breather when we elected PMSH and the Conservatives); they will get around to all of us: it is a pattern.
The Glob AL (W)arming) was all about control - paying for hot air is insane when a person thinks about it. Fear is a formidable enemy and when a gument controls the economy, the gument controls citizens through fear of the gument.
Vote for Ron Paul if you are an American; he will turn the train wreck, crashing into our Liberty, around. If you are an Albertan, vote Wild Rose - the outfit that thinks like Ron Paul.
Kicking 'nanny state' to the curb without a cent is the only way to stop this terrible disaster. A citizen must learn to say 'no'; and back up what he/she says with action. Never follow 'their' rules, pretend you are deaf to what 'they' say; keep 'them' tied in knots with legal challenges and non compliance - have friends and $$, know citizens rights and the BNA Act. An example would be the fate of the CWB. The Liberanos lost every farmer (worth his salt) on the prairies when they jailed those brave men who defied the gument and sold their own grain. CWB is done.
Read SDA - SDA gets results!
This subjet seem to come up on a regular basis. My last entry on this was:
Live clean, eat healthy, die anyway. Even worse, live to a ripe old age with Alzheimers. Cellphones ?, I like Darwins law. People that can't chew gum and walk at the same time will eventually weed themselves out. Can't protect everyone from everything and people are in good supply. I don't give a damn if people eat too much, drink too much, smoke or enjoy risky sports. We are all born with that stamp......Best before ....? and all the planning in the world changes nothing. Does anyone honestly believe health care costs would go down if everyone lived a pure life ? Not a hope in hell. Longevity is far costlier. 10 or 20 years in a seniors center far exceeds dropping dead from a heart attack due to one fatty hamburger too many or a variety of lifestyle choices. Nothing like seeing grandad sitting in his wheelchair, staring at the wall with a puddle under the chair because his depends are full. He lived clean and ate healthy. Been there ...done that. Life is simple. If you enjoy it, do it (as long as it's fairly legal). Eat that burger, enjoy that booze (in moderation) and have that cigar/cigarette. When your numbers up, it's up but you lived your own life. The only thing that will kill you long before your time is worrying about what will kill you in the first. place. More stupid laws just create more stupid stress which we are told will kill us:) Full circle. We only go around once. Be your own travel agent. And mind your own business.
Posted by: peterj at February 2, 2012 2:20 AM
Going over this I still stand by my little rant.
urp...
To think it all started with banning Cigarettes.
Now they allow perverts to run our schools. Tell us what to eat. When to exercise.(noticed companies are now having mandatory exercises. Like the Chinese communists). How to heat your homes, use your toilet. Disallow Christianity but allow Islam in schools. The rights you have& when you can drink & what. Its a never ending parade of rules with fines, soon jail.
peterj >
Bingo!
Everyone dies eventually, you only have one short life on this earth to live, and these FREAKS are trying to tell you how to live it!
Man did I ever pick a sh!ttee time to lose a 100 lbs or so!
What ever happened to freedom of choice? Oh yeah, liberalism ain't libertarianism. It's just a mamby pamby name for hatred & control!
File this one under my rant on the previous science fraud thread. What do y'all think the fraud is for? So they can pass a law and legally starve you for your own good.
Go Wild Rose!!!
This government control started with the seat belt laws,the control freaks could not believe how manageable the citizens were when they preached their mantra"if it saves only one life it is worth it".Suddenly the sky was the limit if you were an activist and smokers became their next target,again they succeeded.Now they want to tell us what to eat,what temp to set our thermostat and demand a reduction in our "carbon footprint",Well if the want a first hand look at my "carbon Footprint" all they need to do is back their A$$ up to any mirror for first hand view.
By the way before the safety Nazis start slobbering all over themselves and start suggesting that I don t care about protecting our children and grandchildren from harm let me assure them that I think seat belts should be mandatory until they reach the age of majority.After that if they are supposed to be wise enough to elect Municipal,Provincial,and Federal governments then I expect that the should have sufficient mental capacity, after reviewing statistics, to decide if the wish to wear a seat belt or not.
Perhaps you mean >.
Excellent rant peterj. However, I would call your rant an editorial.
Yet another superlative, a declaration from the fountain of: "we know better,and have all the answers".
Sure.
Just keep talking, while I reload.
Can't think of the last time I saw anything this stupid in print. It reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the physiology of eating.
Everyone has a hypothalamic weight set point and there are multiple endocrine systems involved in ensuring that ones weight is at that set-point. The strongest argument against the statists are all of the thin people walking about surrounded by all of the highly dangerous food that needs to be taxed or outlawed.
In the morbidly obese patients that I see, there is always an underlying psychiatric disorder - treat that and one begins to deal with the obesity. Chronically depressed people tend to binge on carbs as it makes them feel better. Exercise makes people feel better and is quite an effective antidepressant on its own. The only problem is getting depressed people to exercise. The amount of exercise that it would take to lose 100+ lbs of fat is enormous and I suspect that the mood elevating effects of exercise are the primary reason people who exercise regularly aren't obese.
Shift-work is another really good way to screw up the hypothalamic weight set-point and shift workers are significantly more obese than people who don't have their circadian rhythms permanently deranged. Haven't seen any government initiatives to ban shift work or try to fit people into shifts based on their chronotype.
Yes, one can artificially make people obese by overfeeding them just like one can make fois-gras. No-one is forcing people to eat at fast food restaurants, but when taxes are so high that both parents have to work, then this becomes a matter of necessity. Lower taxes, have stay at home parents who can cook while the other parent works, and obesity rates will go down. Yet another example of where too much government is dangerous to the health of the population.
The only caution I have about processed foods is that they tend to be very deficient in omega-3 fatty acids and overly high in omega-6 fatty acids. Omega-3's are anti-inflammatory and mood stabilizing whereas omega-6's are pro-inflammatory and potentially contributory to depression given the role of chronic inflammation in depression. I suggest to anyone who has a high intake of processed food to take supplemental fish oil, at least 2 gm/day. The other significant deficiency in the western diet is Magnesium and, unless food is supplemented with Magnesium, pretty much everyone should be taking a Mg supplement. And of course there's the chronic vitamin D deficiency that afflicts all northern populations. The anti-UV crusaders have made a whole generation of children vitamin D deficient by insisting that every bit of exposed skin be covered with sunscreen before they go outside to play and we'll see the negative consequences of this in the next decade. Recommended vit D intakes are laughable considering one might get 20,000+ units of vitamin D produced in the skin being outside for a few hours on a sunny July day.
Jema54 @ 8:32 and many others have it figured. Some day soon we will be whisperers like Orlando Figes wrote in his book "The Whisperer". After all, it is for the good of the people.
Knight99 - I can't recall the show I was watching, but a liberal friend asked "what do you think of that? Half the deaths in the village are from cancer. What do you think of industry now?
My response was "It's wonderful. Just imagine, extreme poverty gets so few of the villagers now that they can live long enough to die of cancer. What, do you think anyone can live forever?" The glass was always 1/2 empty, it didn't matter how much longer the folks were living now that they had refrigeration and modern ovens/stoves.
“ If the people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take. Their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny” - Thomas Jefferson
I guess this stems from what they call "evidence-based" policies. Three problems:
(1) They're really "statistics-based".
(2) The "evidence" will likely be contradicted by another scientific study next week, month or year, meaning they've legislated dangerous measures in the interim.
(3) They omit consideration of what are the proper actions of government and what are not. That is, government's purpose is to protect individual rights, while the nanny-state diktats violate them. Therefore the latter should not be passed.
It would not be hard to do a study to prove that if you banned cars from the roads, deaths from auto accidents would decline by 100%. That would not mean that banning cars is a good "evidence-based" policy.
peterj @ 8:14 and Frankemm @ 11:01 say it well.
C.S. Lewis wrote in "God in the Dock", "“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do with the approval of their own conscience.”